Stop looking at the notch like its dipping into your screen but rather than you are getting more screen on the right and left of it. Look at your current MBP. Its got black bars on the side of the camera. Now that is additional screen. The aspect ratio is now a bit more square. YOUR GETTING MORE. Until apple can put the camera behind the screen this is best case scenario. The glass is half full.
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The thing is, other companies have notch-less designs on their laptops with virtually no bezel. If you ask me, the Dell XPS laptops are the gold standard for design right now.
The camera on the XPS is also beyond bad, so its not really a good comparison.
You both bring up a fair point. My personal view is that the notch is far worse than 720p and no notch. Although I was also complaining about lack of 1080p before, this is not the solution I would have gone with. I’m sure Apple has something better cooking for a year or two down the line.
Sure a hell of a lot better looking than an upward "bulge" at the top fo the lid to accomodate the camera or some silly flip-up camera behind the keyboard.
I'd take a 720p webcam over a notch, but that's just me.
I didn't even realize 1080p webcams is something people cared about.
The de facto standard webcam for the office or at home is the Logitech C920.
We've had 1080P for years on the desktop and people just want the same on a notebook.
Agreed but thankfully for Apple the MBPs are far better machines in almost every other way. So, who really cares about the design? These are work machines, not art pieces.
That’s a half-truth. You’re getting (a minimal amount of) additional space for your desktop/app windows, but at the expense of the menu bar, which last I checked, is still part of the screen, and can absolutely use that space occupied by the notch.
As for whether or not it’s the best-case scenario, the jury’s out on that one.
You are aware that a lot of creative types use Apple computers, right? These kinds of things can stick out like a sore thumb for such people.
Yes, I am aware. However, I think many people stereotype what "creative types" really want, which is to use the best performing and high quality device that allows them to accomplish whatever they are doing. A notch, when considering the entire package, is meaningless -- even if a little unsightly. Does an artist select a paint brush based upon how it looks? No. Does a violinist select a violin based upon its looks? No.
But the menubar COULDN'T have "used the space occupied by the notch", it would have used space below it. The notch has not moved down into the screen, the screen has expanded up around the notch. I don't know how many times this needs stating.
Uhh, yes, it could. If there is an app with too many menu options, the menu will be forced to wrap around the notch. Not to mention the icons in the status area. The menu bar is still part of the screen and requires pixels, in some instances pixels that have been taken away by the notch, whether you want to admit it or not.
These fan bois jump through hoops to excuse the poor design choice and even convince themselves it is better that way. Tim says it’s extra screen space on the sides, not a missing notch in the middle!!1!
Sure, creative types enjoy the performance of these devices, but aesthetics matter also. There's a reason why Apple has historically placed a lot of emphasis on the looks of each of their products, and why they are overwhelmingly used by creatives. Trust me--I'm a graphic designer myself.
Also, your comparison is apples-to-oranges. A painter or violinist isn't spending $3000+ on their tools, and aren't having to stare directly at them all day.
Oh my god, are you trolling or are you really not getting it?
The not has not taken away any space whatsoever. Before the introduction of the notch, the space where the notch now resides WAS NOT SCREEN - it was bezel. As was the space either side of the notch. Part of the bezel (the left and right parts) has now been replaced by screen.
If the notch wasn't there, the menubar could not sit there, as it would be back to being bezel.
You totally miss the point in your attempt to excuse the bad design choice. The guy makes a 100% valid point and you just keep repeating or Tim Cook talking points
No, I understand--you get extra space for window chrome with the notch, but that notch still doesn't come free. You're getting that extra desktop space at the expense of the menu bar--what you often use to perform actual functions within your apps. It isn't some unimportant element you can just simply move up and out of the way. For some people, that's a deal-breaker. You've got to understand that.
I know a few musicians ... believe me, they couldn't care less about a notch. It is something to get used to ... not a big deal. I agree that it is unsightly (and I personally would rather it not be there) but most people consider their computer a tool and I do not know of anybody, except for you I guess, who considers it a work of art. I seriously doubt many "creative types" are going to be deterred by a notch -- especially given the advanced capabilities of laptop.
I returned a new Dell XPS 9510 last week. I wanted to try out Windows 11 and the XPS is one of the most highly rated laptops around. Unfortunately, their touchpad implementation and the 1920x1080 display (for $1,899) just didn't cut it for me.
BTW, my new MBP 14 just arrived. Loving it so far! The marketing photos don't do it justice. The notch just isn't worth discussing any more. If it drives you nuts, don't buy one. Get the Dell.
BTW, my new MBP 14 just arrived. Loving it so far! The marketing photos don't do it justice. The notch just isn't worth discussing any more. If it drives you nuts, don't buy one. Get the Dell.
I have no idea what you mean by “window chrome”, but setting that aside, you’re not losing the menu bar. In that extra space we didn’t have before.
You are so dense. You ARE losing a part of the menu bar. That’s what he’s saying. Get it? The menu bar used to go all the way across, now it does not. How the OS will handle an app with a lot of menu bar options, I guess we shall see. But you are definitely losing part of the menu bar. If it has to put some of the menu bar options to the right of the notch, things seem like they could get messy.
Also they did a terrible job with the menu bar and the notch. Why on earth does the menu bar extend a little below the bottom of the notch? It looks like they missed that, I hope it’s not intentional.