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Since they're not trying to force performance sucking retina displays down every current and potential Apple laptop customer [...]

Oh but they will. Once there is an 11" Retina Macbook in the wild and the iPad mini is Retinanized, their entire portable line up will have Retina screens. At that point why not just dump every thing else and just name the laptops MacBooks. Any one else find it odd the Retina MBPs were hailed as the future of Mac laptops and don't have the name on their exterior? That would make it amenable to a renaming of the entire line. It also puts the entire Macbook line on a single manufacturing process which increases efficiency and reduces costs.
 
"Rural parts without proper internet access" and "developed world" is a contradiction to me. Broadband internet access is what defines the developed world these days.

They exist. Just because you or your associates don't live in them doesn't make them mythical. Verizon has stopped fiber rollout and has neglected DSL... for a long time now. The infrastructure in the USA is bad in many places.
 
The rMBP is a retina Air. Clearly it's not named that, but functionally, that's exactly what it is

Functionally, they're all laptops. The mMPB and the MBA are clearly very different products, and the rMBP blurs the line between the MBA and the MBP.

It's not a retina Air because it is still heavier than a MBA, and has a more powerful processor. But it's close. However, it's still marketed as a Pro, meaning that it will eventually replace the cMBP and that the MBA will continue to exist, in its current form or with a redesign.
 
LOL! Why is that a racist comment? Perhaps incorrect but certainly nothing to do with ethnicity.

You media brain-washed folks crack me up. Always reading between lines that aren't there and jumping to conclusions. :)

As a brown skinned mexican the people (usually white) calling racist to everything that is said really takes away from real racism. It's gotten to be such a buzz word that it's pretty much taken on a new meaning. Now it just means "I disagree with what you said". Unfortunate for those that do experience racism.
 
For all of you that are complaining that the MacBook Air can't get a Retina Display because of battery issues...


Read this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22191650

But couldn't that technology be applied across the board? The point about RMBAs is that a MBA has a 50 watt battery and the 13" MBP has a 74w battery. Since the screen draws the most power, one wonders if they could achieve a 7+ hour battery life 13" Retina screen on a 50 watt battery. Notice if they implement new battery technology they could advertise their entire line as having the bump, promising 8 or 9 hours instead of 7 across the board. And the specs are almost the same in terms of size and weight.

It seems to me Apple should just sacrifice the little bit of space for Retina/Battery enhancements.
 
Never try running a business :D

To maximise profits, you always want two products that are reasonable substitutes but sell at different prices. That way you get the high margin from people willing to pay a lot, and you still get the lower margin (usually multiplied by a large number) from those who want to pay less. Plus, the better product pulls people to the store, and if they end up buying the lesser product for less money, then you still made a sale. The lesser product is much easier to sell if you can say "it's almost as good as the superior product, but much cheaper".

Haha, fair enough.
 
But you can't make a blanket generalization like that regarding new products and technologies. You're completely ignoring the thousands of failed products that go along with the successes. I don't doubt that we'll eventually see widespread adoption of 4K and up resolutions, but there is absolutely no demand for it at this point. You'd be surprised how many people still have SD tvs. And the leap from SD to HD was a pretty big one. 4K doesn't offer much of an improvement considering most people are viewing on 60" screens and below. I imagine the adoption mirrors more 3d rather than HD. The masses aren't going to be rushing out for this given the minimal content, especially since it will be a while until the cable companies can provide it.

You're missing my point. Steve Jobs often used to quote Henry Ford - "if I'd asked people want they wanted they would have said more horses".

There is no demand yet precisely because there are no products yet. I don't get why that is so difficult to understand. The demand will come once the 4K TVs hit the shops. Maybe they won't be that impressed and decide to wait for 8K. I have no idea but that wasn't the point I was making. You can't have demand for something that doesn't yet exist.

4K is not akin to 3D because 3D was a departure from the norm. 4K is merely a linear continuation of the current TV technology simply with a better quality picture. It's a natural progression. After a while you won't chose a 4K TV, it'll just be a standard on the high end TVs. Bit like the move from LCD to LED. TV manufacturers bring out new models every year, 4K will simply be a part of that progression.

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And where can i buy applications for OS X 10.8.x on DVDs/CDs?

Try Amazon. I just checked and they have quite a selection of OSX software. Alternatively you could try Apple's own website. Believe it or not I just checked and they have lots of boxed software available to buy - all despatched within 24 hours. I've posted the link below just in case you need it.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software
 
I hope the new rMBP s:

$100 to $200 cheaper than the current model
has cheaper prices for BTO SSD and RAM upgrades (32GB RAM option?)
has one more USB 3.0 port
goes back to having separate headphone and microphone input (seriously Apple?)
is much more stable with scrolling, random bugs and fan issues, image retention
has noticeably better battery life
modest performance gains

Of course I also wish OS 10.9 brings a much needed overhaul of the UI and brings some cool productivity features.
 
... Verizon has stopped fiber rollout and has neglected DSL... for a long time now. The infrastructure in the USA is bad in many places.

Verizon is investing in LTE deployment. It likely has better ROI for them since it is largely not "all you can eat". Broadband doesn't necessarily equal "wired". Especially with the current top end wireless technologies.

DSL has all kinds of length and deployment problems. It also has a major problem in that the core of the wired telephone service base is collapsing. ( sure partially Verizon's fault the price and value are to high and low respectively given several alternatives. ). There is no sane telco investing in DSL now. That whole infrastructure is in trouble.
 
I hope the new rMBP s:

$100 to $200 cheaper than the current model
has cheaper prices for BTO SSD and RAM upgrades (32GB RAM option?)
has one more USB 3.0 port
goes back to having separate headphone and microphone input (seriously Apple?)
is much more stable with scrolling, random bugs and fan issues, image retention
has noticeably better battery life
modest performance gains

32 GB RAM will not be making an appearence since there ar currently no 204 pin SO-DIMM 16 GB RAM cards in existence and there will not be until at least 2014 for DDR4.
 
You have a point. Still, I don't think the cMBP is the flagship model either. It has a TN low-resolution display that is, well, not exactly premium these days. You may say that there is a matte option and all, but the fact is that it is still TN and doesn't have a high resolution. And the preference of an HDD over an SSD is a matter of personal opinion; it's a choice between size and speed, basically.

...except with a cMBP you can have the best of both worlds: speed and capacity! You're overlooking the versatility offered by the optical bay.

You can remove the superdrive and put in a SSD. Then you've got a super-fast boot/application drive and decent, fast storage elsewhere: 1TB, 7200 rpm HD. Need more storage? You could add an even larger HD: 5400 rpm, 1.5TB. Or if real speed is the goal you could get two 512 GB SSDs, stripe them together and have decent storage with SCREAMING speeds!! You're overlooking how valuable user-upgradability can be.

With the displays, it's all personal preference. Sure, the Retinas are beautiful, but they are still quite glossy. The retinas are NOT 75% less glossy as Apple claims. They're more like 25% less glossy. To each is own. But being a professional photographer I'll take a "low resolution" 1680 x 1050 MATTE screen over a high resolution, highly reflective display any day. In fact I just did. ;)

I just took delivery of a refurbished cMBP with an antiglare display. Added a Samsung 840 Pro SSD as the boot drive. Added 16GB or RAM for $125. Already had a 750GB 7200 rpm drive. That went inside and the 750GB 5400 rpm drive came out, went into an enclosure to serve as the scratch disk's clone. And I spent way less than the top-of-line Retina.

Expandability + Antiglare. These things still matter to a LOT of people!!
 
Well it has been reported that with Haswell there will be a variety of different GPUs based on the CPU being used. The MBA uses a 17w TDP and the 13" rmbp uses a 35w TDP. That could be the difference between the GT3 and GT2 version of the Intel GPUs. But I don't know the details so if anyone knows if the 35w will also be GT2 then please share.

Also I doubt Apple cares too much about cannibalizaing sales. A 13" rmba and 13" rmbp would be very close in terms of price. For those who need a slightly stronger CPU and more peripheral slots, they can go for the rmbp, every one else would go for the rmba.

The other option is to dump the MBA line and just make an 11" RMBP (and then rename the MBP line MacBooks). So my guess is their production lines will depend on what Intel offers in terms of graphics performance. That might start to make a big difference.

Exactly, they'd be close in just about everything.

IF they make the 11" retina, then fold the line into each other, I could see it making sense. But I don't see Apple having a rMBA and a rMBP line at the same time.
 
Well it has been reported that with Haswell there will be a variety of different GPUs based on the CPU being used. The MBA uses a 17w TDP and the 13" rmbp uses a 35w TDP. That could be the difference between the GT3 and GT2 version of the Intel GPUs. But I don't know the details so if anyone knows if the 35w will also be GT2 then please share.

Mobile versions are all GT3.
 
Never try running a business :D

Errrr..... there is a difference being aping generic business strategies and maximizing profits.

To maximise profits, you always want two products that are reasonable substitutes but sell at different prices.

Expect that Apple does not do this and enjoy 30+% profit margins on their products. However, this is exactly what HP, Dell, generic large PC system vendors do and tolerate 3-6^ profit margins on their overall offerings.

This is a flawed business strategy. Yes products will overlap at the edges but you do not want highly overlapping products and then try to tap dance with "rich Corinthian leather " or so other hocus pocus on the higher margin product that effectively does exactly the same thing.




That way you get the high margin from people willing to pay a lot, and you still get the lower margin (usually multiplied by a large number) from those who want to pay less.

consumers aren't stupid. Over time this flawed strategy tends not to work since the "higher margin" folks notice over time they are not getting that much of a differential. Over time most will seek to more efficiently spend they money. It is a gimmick that works for a while, but it almost never works long term.

There has to be real and substantive differentiation. If so then they aren't substitutable goods.
 
Pretty much what I expect, notebook refresh alongside 10.9 release. That's usually what they do. Not surprised they're keeping the non-retinas around. The prices are still a bit to high.

Good luck with 10.9.

Ios is their major priority and what with the ios 6 fiasco, as well as the growing expectations for ios to finally catch up with android in the versatility of the ui, they 've shifted the ever shifting teams (because of course hiring people with 150 billion in the bank isn't easy) to ios.


Right now in the os x team there's only the cleaning lady left.
 
Don't think so. The ultra low voltage isn't likely to be exclusively GT3. All GT3 will be BGA packages but that doesn't means all BGA packages are GT3.

Hmm, you're right. With SNB and IVB all mobile CPUs have featured the better IGP but looks like that's going to change with Haswell. GT3 will be available in ultra-low voltage models too though.

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I hope they continue with the Non-Retina MacBook Pros with the optical drives and full ports. The retina screen sucks processing power and battery life. Many people don't need the extra resolution.
 
What about Apple just fixing OSX 10.8. Make sure that it runs fluently and not with the insane hick-ups, back to 10.6 efficiency... And for the love of god: why is there no modern OpenGL implementation in OSX? What about just stopping other development of new fancy things and gimmicks, and just make sure that OpenGL is up-to-date.
 
I hope they continue with the Non-Retina MacBook Pros with the optical drives and full ports. The retina screen sucks processing power and battery life. Many people don't need the extra resolution.

Retina screen sucks with battery life? Source? According to Anandtech, it gets 6.5 hours with mild use on high settings. That does not suck in my book.
 
well hopefully there is a retina air and that there is no delays in any of the systems. i personally think that lower prices for non-retina would be nice.
 
Are you sure they are going to keep the antiglare option after the refresh?

They might drop the 15" MBP altogether and just keep the Retina version on the 15" model.

They also may just keep the 15" MBP but drop some of the options, like antiglare. It is already the case that there is only one 15" MBP entry in the online store. What they'd like do is drop the options that are selected less often. Frankly the antiglare option is whacked. It pushes a minor (relative to Retina screens) increase in pixels just to get the antiglare property.

Apple should just drop the "Hi-Res" because it is not. The Retina display clearly demonstrates that. Likewise they could just go to the laminated glass like the iMac and MBP Retina displays to far more effectively get rid of the glare.

In short, get rid of the Antiglare as an option. Just get rid of glare period and go to the standard resolution. That will streamline the inventory tracking on the product and give better margins. If they are just keeping it as "one" entry with limited number of BTO variations that is far better.

Whether the 15" cMBP sticks around or not depends just how much folks stopped buying it. If it has be crushed in the squeeze between 13 rMBP and 15 rMBP to dramatically drop volume then they'll cancel it. Otherwise simplifying the BTO is is far more likely.



They've done it before. Just keep the 13" MBP as a cheap entry level machine for those who don't want to pay the extra for the Retina MBP.

That is a goofy premise. If Kuo is correct the 13" MBP is still , just like it was before retina varaints arrived, the best selling laptop Apple has. Apple would be on crack to kill off their best selling laptop. That's insane. If you haven't noticed Mac year-over-year growth is down in the crapper now. It would be beyond bozo land to kill off your best selling Mac. The 13" MBP wasn't kept around as a legacy favor to old timers. It was kept around because it is the core foundation of Mac laptop sales. Period.


The luxury of being a high single and low double digit growth phases is over. Doing crazy things with the product line can work in that context ( e.g., kill off best selling iPod for a highly revamped one.). In a shrinking market though that is just an excellent way to shot yourself in the head.
 
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