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Hey! We can use the WalMart music site too!!!! *snicker* I'm not trying to bash the PC world here...but Windows Media blows. Come on...admit it.
Now...everyone play nice!!!!
Re: Re: Re: breath in, breath out -- it's just a tool
Ok, yes your computer is made of aluminum, but that's not a pretty piece of aluminum. That's not really a picture you should go flashing around if you are trying to win your argument. (if that is a possibility -winning your argument)
Ok, yes your computer is made of aluminum, but that's not a pretty piece of aluminum. That's not really a picture you should go flashing around if you are trying to win your argument. (if that is a possibility -winning your argument)
This may be a gay analogy but here goes..
Would you rather eat one really good apple or eat 10 rotten apples?
Macrumors bare text coverage of events is essential for me at work....
am I the only one who clicks every 5 seconds to refresh the text instead of waiting the right amount of time it asks for to save bandwidth?
he he
Gear lust - it makes me do aweful things.
am I the only one who clicks every 5 seconds to refresh the text instead of waiting the right amount of time it asks for to save bandwidth?
he he
Gear lust - it makes me do aweful things.
Re: Re: ummm...
Even considering the fact that Windows never properly uninstalls applications, I can't see the need for that many drives.
BTW.. What's the average wattage of a contemporary hard drive? You maxing out a 600watt power supply in that thing? Bet it's nice and quiet.
wow, how much freaking porn do you store in a Desktop machine? I'm guessing you have a mirrored SCSI set to boot from.. just guessing... but 8 Hard drives? I bought a 120GB for my athlon and took the 40GB out. Now granted... PC users sometimes find the need to install 2 or more OSes to suit all their needs.. but geez.
Even considering the fact that Windows never properly uninstalls applications, I can't see the need for that many drives.
BTW.. What's the average wattage of a contemporary hard drive? You maxing out a 600watt power supply in that thing? Bet it's nice and quiet.
wow, just when I was thinking Aiden is over 15. Maybe he's got rich parents to pay for all those hard drives. It would explain the need for that much drive space in a desktop though.
to each his own. I actually like the handles. They do make it easy to move around and I like the aesthetic. In fact I like the cheeze grater. it's kind of bad ass industrial imho, but I fully grant you the right to hate it.
Hold on there, mister. Lemme see your joke license paperwork. I claim that I made up that joke waaaaaaay back in 2003. Here's my post.Originally posted by SeaFox
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the joke rumors were true in the end.
The Cube is coming back!
...as a Sphere!
Alright! Alright! It was only a joke. Stop throwing stuff at me!
The aluminum PC case so heavily discussed above is the CoolerMaster ATC-200. It was a great case when it first came out a couple of years ago. I had one and loved it, though it was very loud when loaded with fans.
You still won't find cases like that being used by the likes of Dell, HP or Gateway.
Folks let's get back on track now. OK?
You still won't find cases like that being used by the likes of Dell, HP or Gateway.
Folks let's get back on track now. OK?
K back on track does anyone think that Microsoft will do such a good job on VPC 7 that we could play games on it ( crosses foingers and prays)
You know, I was at a lan party on Saturday... well a real party with a lan game running..
I tried to run the Media Player radio for the first time and it did a fabulous job of imitating a mule on an Athlon 2600+ with 1GB of ram. I really like the feature that provides multiple pop up IE ads when you try to connect to just about any radio station. Frankly it ran like such crap that I had to download iTunes on the machine.
So, sure there are more music services for the PC but there are probably more MP3 players for Linux. Big deal. I haven't run past anything I find more useful than Apple's software. So, advantage? none I've seen so far.
BTW, the G5 was the badest machine there. We were running UT in classic and I was side stepping faster then people on fast PCs were running forward.. I could run nearly as fast as the rockets I was shooting. ;-) I'm not saying that the G5 is the best gaming machine out there (ahem.. athlon64) but it is a really nice computer.
Wow we are getting into little arguments here. We lost what the whole topic is really about. Oh well 11 hours!!!
I can't inadvertantly download spyware, viruses, and trojans on the computer on the left. And I can live with that limitation.
Originally posted by mattmack
K back on track does anyone think that Microsoft will do such a good job on VPC 7 that we could play games on it ( crosses foingers and prays)
The big problem with VPC is that it emulates a low end generic video chipset. It doesn't take advantage of the features of any recent chipsets.
MS could probably upgrade the VPC engine to use the real video chipsets in the Mac. They did something similar with with the Voodoo's in the past. You could actually use a voodoo driver in VPC that accessed the voodoo2 passthrough card directly and you could actually play games (slightly slowly) in VPC.
The G5s are pretty damn fast but I'm not holding my breath for decent game support. For starters...
- you need to get native access to the video hardware.. which would be a lot of work considering you'd want to support GF 2-4s and Radeons up to 9800s.
- you need to work around the removal of the pseudo-little endian mode in the G5. Bochs doesn't seem to run very well without it.
- you STILL need to emulate all the PC code no matter what you do and your PC game won't suffer slow execution of the AI code.
If VPC can provide on the software/driver front.. the G5 may have horsepower to run some decent PC games, but the requirements are always going up. I'd be shocked if you'd see a dual 2GHz run emulated x86 code fast enough to make something like Doom3 playable.. heck even the PC version of Halo.
Maybe we do need those 3GHz G5s like gekko was promising.
;-)
I never understood how people actually functionally used VPC. It's so unbearably slow even on the fastest Mac with maxed RAM. Gaming? I'd just like to be able to surf or run word (for example) without having to wait 5 mintues for the apps to open.
There are wintel only apps that I'd like to tell people they can run on a Mac, but VPC is just not a feasible answer, so they want Macs, but can't leave wintel..
Re: Re: ummm...
From the ARS review:
As you can see from the start, 5 of the internal bays sit right in front of the fans._ While you could easily add one or two drives in there and still get good effects, you'd be nutz to load that thing with drives if you're trying to achieve maximum internal ambient cooling._ You could, I suppose, reverse the fans and blow out if you wanted, but that seems a bit odd._ A more important complaint (I mean, who is going to use all those bays, anyway?_ It's a mid-tower!) revolves around fit._ Put simply, this configuration was susceptible to the slightly-off 3.5" drive sizes out there._ Case in point: my floppy drive slid into its spot without a problem._ Didn't even scrape the sides._ The hard drive, on the other hand, was a little tighter in the fit._ So what?_ It's usually that way._ Well, the problem with this design is that, once you get something like my floppy drive in there, something wider than it (even if only by 1/8") isn't going to go in without some serious scraping._ You have to move down a bit before it can flex in._ Finally, I didn't like the fact that every bay required that one remove the right-side panel to be able to securely screw a device in.
For clarity: "you'd be nutz to load that thing with drives" and "I mean, who is going to use all those bays, anyway?"
"ps: In mine, I have 2 Ultra 320 SCSI drives, 8 ATA133 drives, floppy, SCSI tape drive, a DVD+- writer and a CD-RW writer."
Repeat: "Nutz"
Originally posted by AidenShaw
Hmmmmmm.
Computer case on left - one optical drive, requires vendor's proprietary case
Computer case on right - up to 3 optical drives, any industry standard drive - or any commodity 3.5" disk...
Computer case on left - no small removeable drive.
Computer case on right - two standard floppy or zip drives, or two commodity 3.5 inch drives.
Computer case on left - two SATA drives
Computer case on right - six SATA or PATA drives (up to 11 drives if you replace optical and small removeable with 3.5" drives)
But, unfortunately, the case on the right doesn't look like a cheese grater....
ps: In mine, I have 2 Ultra 320 SCSI drives, 8 ATA133 drives, floppy, SCSI tape drive, a DVD+- writer and a CD-RW writer.
And to the dork-breath who complained about the open optical slot, the case manufacturer assumes that you'll be putting in at least one optical drive - so the brushed aluminum filler panel for that slot isn't in the default config.
Oh - BTW, the case on the right doesn't wast 4 inches of height on some nonsense handles....
From the ARS review:
As you can see from the start, 5 of the internal bays sit right in front of the fans._ While you could easily add one or two drives in there and still get good effects, you'd be nutz to load that thing with drives if you're trying to achieve maximum internal ambient cooling._ You could, I suppose, reverse the fans and blow out if you wanted, but that seems a bit odd._ A more important complaint (I mean, who is going to use all those bays, anyway?_ It's a mid-tower!) revolves around fit._ Put simply, this configuration was susceptible to the slightly-off 3.5" drive sizes out there._ Case in point: my floppy drive slid into its spot without a problem._ Didn't even scrape the sides._ The hard drive, on the other hand, was a little tighter in the fit._ So what?_ It's usually that way._ Well, the problem with this design is that, once you get something like my floppy drive in there, something wider than it (even if only by 1/8") isn't going to go in without some serious scraping._ You have to move down a bit before it can flex in._ Finally, I didn't like the fact that every bay required that one remove the right-side panel to be able to securely screw a device in.
For clarity: "you'd be nutz to load that thing with drives" and "I mean, who is going to use all those bays, anyway?"
"ps: In mine, I have 2 Ultra 320 SCSI drives, 8 ATA133 drives, floppy, SCSI tape drive, a DVD+- writer and a CD-RW writer."
Repeat: "Nutz"
"True, but if the computer is just a tool"
but you see, to us, and to many others, it's not just a tool. some people like a good looking computer just like some like a good looking car.
according to what you're saying, it wouldn't matter if i keyed up your car and kicked in the doors. as long as it gets you from point a to point b, it does its job, right?
that's not right. there's a reason why there are so many awesome cars out there. people take what are just seen as normal everyday tools and turn them into peices of art. how often do you see a car drive by and are like, "damn, that car is nice!. look at the custom paint job and the body modification." you see older and newer cars all the time with sweat and time put into them, just to make a TOOL look good! apple does that with computers. apple has brought the computer past the days of a beige box with some green boards and black chips. apple has brought the computer to be an attractive item desgined to be looked at, not just "used."
quit looking at it as "just another tool." if tharts how you see it, get out of here and go use your ugly windows box. have fun with your service pack upgrades while you're at it.
I don't think the speed (GHz) of the Mac matters.. It's a software/driver issue. The emulator "runs" at approx 500MHz Pentium MMX (according to Windows running in VPC), and no higher, and has no access to the GPU.. The SW simply needs to be rewritten..
Re: Re: breath in, breath out -- it's just a tool
Thats very funny at this wee hour of the night...
I should just go to sleep to cut down on the wait.
I hope G5's are updated! If not at MWSF, soon!
LOL!!!Originally posted by Skull Leader
That's good, since there aren't any drugs on this planet that will make you sleep THAT long without killing you...
Thats very funny at this wee hour of the night...
I should just go to sleep to cut down on the wait.
I hope G5's are updated! If not at MWSF, soon!