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"Useful" is the operative word. Apple Maps is useless for me in India. So are Pages, Keynote, and others. So, for me, they are bloatware.
There’s an and in there - first party and “useful” and no money. That’s the common definition. Your definition: not useful…which is a personal definition. Nothing wrong with that Just acknowledgement of your own definition which you made up.
 
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That doesn’t make it bloatware. Bloatware is third party preinstalled apps that you wouldn’t have installed yourself. Not often used as a term for the software by the manufacturer. You know good old MacAfee antivirus, different browsers, toolbars, games.

You got to understand where it came from if you want to use those terms in current context.

More commonly bloatware is anything third party besides the maker of the OS. Not the hardware manufacturer.

Samsung puts bloatware on top of android. Some people like it. But it is bloat.

If it didn’t come from google or apple, or Microsoft it’s bloat.

This is why many choose a google device or Microsoft surface. It’s straight from the OS maker.
 
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More commonly bloatware is anything third party besides the maker of the OS. Not the hardware manufacturer.

Samsung puts bloatware on top of android. Some people like it. But it is bloat.

If it didn’t come from google or apple, or Microsoft it’s bloat.

This is why many choose a google device or Microsoft surface. It’s straight from the OS maker.
Exactly, and very interesting examples raised...

Microsoft devices are nice and clean and reference build, they used to have a name for it and it slipped my mind. It was special order to get from other manufacturers but you know you get pure Microsoft Windows.

Google Pixel devices are great, and to be fair Android One by other manufacturers is also clear and void of bloatware. But weirdly not quite when getting one through a mobile provider...

Samsung has matured in my opinion, still some bloatware but for the majority it is now all their own and integrated with their own services like Knox etc. I would now go as far that on current devices it is just a Samsung. You know you aren't going to get a clean bare Android version but a wholly changed and Samsung adapted experience. Is it still bloat? I don't think it is, I think its just Samsung...
 
My son was born when the first rumors about Apple-made car came out.
He will probably graduate from college when this car is released.
Pathetic!
 
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My son was born when the first rumors about Apple-made car came out.
He will probably graduate from college when this car is released.
Pathetic!
Many internal projects at big companies take many years to complete, the only reason you know about this one is apple is such a scrutinized company that you get leaks that you care about (because we’re posting in MR!)

But hell, even smaller projects… Skyrim came out in 2011, at the pace bethesda is working and with their announced queue it will probably be at least 2024 or 2025, I’d personally bet 2026 or later, when we get the next Elder Scrolls game. That’s 13-15 years (at least!)
 
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There’s an and in there - first party and “useful” and no money. That’s the common definition. Your definition: not useful…which is a personal definition. Nothing wrong with that Just acknowledgement of your own definition which you made up.
Just as it was the other guy's personal definition. There is no dictionary that defines some specific apps that are on Samsung as bloatware. It is all subjective. Just because Apple makes them does not make them "not" bloatware.
 
That doesn’t make it bloatware. Bloatware is third party preinstalled apps that you wouldn’t have installed yourself. Not often used as a term for the software by the manufacturer. You know good old MacAfee antivirus, different browsers, toolbars, games.

You got to understand where it came from if you want to use those terms in current context.

Bloatware is a type of software that comes preinstalled on a computer, smartphone, or tablet. It takes up space, reduces battery life, and cripples performance. Just because you define bloatware in a way that suits you does not make it right. There is nothing that says it must be done by a third party. It just must be useless. FYI, Digital Markets Act (or DMA) in Europe will remedy this to some extent, I guess.
 
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That doesn’t make it bloatware. Bloatware is third party preinstalled apps that you wouldn’t have installed yourself. Not often used as a term for the software by the manufacturer. You know good old MacAfee antivirus, different browsers, toolbars, games.

You got to understand where it came from if you want to use those terms in current context.
Bloatware to me is stuff you can't uninstall. But both sides seem to be much better about that now. At the very least you can remove everything from home screens
 
Bloatware to me is stuff you can't uninstall. But both sides seem to be much better about that now. At the very least you can remove everything from home screens
Sometimes built-in applications are useless, sometimes 3rd party apps are must-have and 1st to install anyway.
Looks like removability is the best feature.
 
It looks like a great phone and it's nice that someone is trying something unique with the backplate LEDs.

Sure it doesn't have the power, but I don't think that it's aimed at gamers - just for those that want a stylish Android phone (of which arguably, there aren't too many).
 
Well yes it does make them “not bloatware”. They are apps useful across a broad spectrum of users; even if a particular app is not useful to one person. Carry on!
Who says it is not useful to one person? Maps are useless to a majority in India and other countries not called USA. Not sure how it is in China. Your reality is not everybody's reality.
 
Who says it is not useful to one person? Maps are useless to a majority in India and other countries not called USA. Not sure how it is in China. Your reality is not everybody's reality.
Very useful in the entirety of all continents I've ever been to, Not all countries are like India ;)

But regardless of its usefulness in India or not, that still doesn't make it bloatware. Learn what bloatware is first before using such a term to describe one application on a device, by the make of the device providing an essential part of the functionality of such device as bloatware…
 
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Very useful in the entirety of all continents I've ever been to, Not all countries are like India ;)

But regardless of its usefulness in India or not, that still doesn't make it bloatware. Learn what bloatware is first before using such a term to describe one application on a device, by the make of the device providing an essential part of the functionality of such device as bloatware…
You keep telling me as if you know what bloatware is. Do you?

"Bloatware is a type of software that comes preinstalled on a computer, smartphone, or tablet. It takes up space, reduces battery life, and cripples performance."

Here's a bloatware list to look for on your device (even Macs and iPhones):

Weather apps
Financial or money apps
Game centers
Sports apps
Map or navigation apps
Health and fitness apps
Messaging or video apps
Music and video players
Toolbars and junk-browser extensions
System update apps
Personal productivity assistants
 
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You keep telling me as if you know what bloatware is. Do you?

"Bloatware is a type of software that comes preinstalled on a computer, smartphone, or tablet. It takes up space, reduces battery life, and cripples performance."
Perhaps you should learn to read the entirety of the article, and understand computing history a little bit. Don't just take a sentence out of context to cover up for your clear and repeated mistakes.
 
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Perhaps you should learn to read the entirety of the article, and understand computing history a little bit. Don't just take a sentence out of context to cover up for your clear and repeated mistakes.
I would stop this discussion if you could show it being mentioned in that article that Apple software cannot be bloatware. I've already given the type of software that can be considered as bloatware and it supports my argument. Maybe you should practice what you're preaching?
 
I would stop this discussion if you could show it being mentioned in that article that Apple software cannot be bloatware. I've already given the type of software that can be considered as bloatware and it supports my argument. Maybe you should practice what you're preaching?
You are missing the fact that the article is primarily a sales guide for their tool used to remove software. They have taken liberties and extended the definition, while also including what is actually bloatware. It is smart and subtle, but don't be fooled—it is marketing and sales literature for their tooling. You take a sentence out of context and ignore the commercial aspect of the article.

And to a certain degree, you are now doing the same double bluff and returning it to me. I, and others, have already given the example and definition many (too many) posts back, you decided to ignore it as you fabricated your own definition. It didn't have to get to this, all it takes is a little research, understanding of computing history, and educating yourself about what bloatware actually is.
 
You are missing the fact that the article is primarily a sales guide for their tool used to remove software. They have taken liberties and extended the definition, while also including what is actually bloatware. It is smart and subtle, but don't be fooled—it is marketing and sales literature for their tooling. You take a sentence out of context and ignore the commercial aspect of the article.

And to a certain degree, you are now doing the same double bluff and returning it to me. I, and others, have already given the example and definition many (too many) posts back, you decided to ignore it as you fabricated your own definition. It didn't have to get to this, all it takes is a little research, understanding of computing history, and educating yourself about what bloatware actually is.
Giving your opinion does not constitute giving definition. How do you know that it is a sales guide? Another opinion? Excellent. So, you are the expert and all others, including avast, have to take your opinion as a fact? What have the others said apart from their opinions? So, if two guys post their opinions and their opinions concur, will it become a fact?
 
Giving your opinion does not constitute giving definition. How do you know that it is a sales guide? Another opinion? Excellent. So, you are the expert and all others, including avast, have to take your opinion as a fact? What have the others said apart from their opinions? So, if two guys post their opinions and their opinions concur, will it become a fact?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dude, ahem, how about the call to action to buy their product 🤣🤣🤣

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