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and if your external drive goes dead, you're toast too ...
Only a good backup strategy keeps your data safe, regardless of internal or external storage
How often do good quality SSD's die. Hugely overblown concern like the nonsense a few years ago regarding swap ( I have a database with millions of entries on a mac server writing 24/7 and I am losing like 1-2% a year in terms of longevity, meaning my mac will be 50-100 years old by the time the SSD is worn out)

And thats heavy reading, writing and even swap usage (10-15 gb of swap)
 
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The Apple tax has always been about macOS - that's the secret sauce.

People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware

Apple's advantage there is fading. I have Linux on my desktop and MacOS on this M1 Air. There is really nothing MacOS can do that Linux can't. There are two things that are difficult to don on Linux that are much easier on MacOS. Setting up file sharing and setting up screen sharing. Both of those require manually editing text files full of cryptic commands on Linux and are a few clicks on the Mac.

What's truly ironic is that it's easier to connect to my old retro 10.4 server from Linux than it is from this M1 Air. AFP is deprecated on newer MacOS and so is SMP1.

That's a different question. Does the AFP client work on Tahoe?
 
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How often do good quality SSD's die. Hugely overblown concern like the nonsense a few years ago regarding swap ( I have a database with millions of entries on a mac server writing 24/7 and I am losing like 1-2% a year in terms of longevity, meaning my mac will be 50-100 years old by the time the SSD is worn out)

And thats heavy reading, writing and even swap usage (10-15 gb of swap)
Like people say - **** happens
 
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Apple's advantage there is fading. I have Linux on my desktop and MacOS on this M1 Air. There is really nothing MacOS can do that Linux can't
It's more about "how" it does it rather than "what" it can do. For the average user, Mac is probably still more elegant. For power users such as yourself, however, priorities are obviously different.


What's truly ironic is that it's easier to connect to my old retro 10.4 server from Linux than it is from this M1 Air
Also ironic: For a while there Apple was making "IBM-compatibles" and IBM wasn't!
 
It's a lot of money, but that doesn't mean they are overpriced as such. I bought an MBP M4 in June and the build quality, everything, is top notch. I remember a coworker who 20 years ago bought one of the last Titanium G4's before Intel arrived. He payed a great deal more than I did now. That was considered expensive at the time, and a poor deal since the Intel replacement was way better. Apropos build quality, I also have an MBP i7 15" from 2014 and a Mac mini i7 from 2012, they both work flawlessly, after so many years. Both run Sonoma with the help of OCLP.
 
I've yet to have an SSD die since 2015. Arcross Macs, PC SSDs, etc.

All my storage except for my NAS at home is SSD. I have some SSDs still in service at 10 years old.
there are people that dont get outside because anything can happen and die
here too, no ssd died for decades
 
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The base models are a great value. I'm amazed at what I got in my base M4 MBP for the (sale) price. However, once you need more RAM and storage the "great value" begins to slip away.
 
Really, when are they going to realize they're a business and not a charity?
No, but there's a thing called gouging and Apple does that with storage and ram.

Storage:
Samsung 2 TB 990 EVO Plus 119,
Samsung 2 TB 990 PRO SSD: 159
Apple 2 TB storage on a Studio: 600 dollars

Ram:
G.SKILL Trident Z 64GB DDR4: 169
CORSAIR VENGEANCE 64GB DDR4 86
Apple 64GB on a Studio 700. (400 for the ram, but you need to upgrade the CPU for 300)

Yes, Apple is not a charity, but up-selling storage 500% of what samsung charges for the EVO Plus does qualify as excessive.

Also consider what you're getting with the apple ssd, it does not include the controller that's built into the SoC, you're only getting the Nands, so the price variance is even larger.
 
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Not to age myself, but coming from Apple's RISC processors (G3, G4) which were pretty efficient back then, to the dreaded changet to Intel chipset that was awful
I didn’t get to know the PowerPC era, but from what I’ve heard/read, PowerPC chips were extremely hot and the opposite to efficient. And what I’ve known, are the PowerPC game consoles like the PS3 and Xbox360, and the thermal problems were quite evident with the problems that generation had. I’m curious, why do you think PowerPC macs were efficient?

it’s dirt cheap for my needs, grabbed a M4 Max 16” MBP with 128 GB and 4TB for 5k at Microcenter. Apple had it for 5999 and education pricing was 5499.
Wow, 128GB on a modern laptop would be so constraining for me… yes, you can add as much external storage as you want, but I’d never get a laptop with so little storage honestly, much less spend 5k on that. I didn’t even know some M4 MacBooks shipped with 128Gb in 2024…
 
How often do good quality SSD's die. Hugely overblown
Two issues,
1. a recent windows 11 update was killing SSDs
2. Server failure in 2016 At Kings College, caused a near complete loss of all of the college's data, including payroll, academics, and research that the professors, and students had compiled over the years. They had no real backup strategy

So its not hugely overblown. With apple and time machine having backups is dead simple
 
I didn’t get to know the PowerPC era, but from what I’ve heard/read, PowerPC chips were extremely hot and the opposite to efficient. And what I’ve known, are the PowerPC game consoles like the PS3 and Xbox360, and the thermal problems were quite evident with the problems that generation had. I’m curious, why do you think PowerPC macs were efficient?


Wow, 128GB on a modern laptop would be so constraining for me… yes, you can add as much external storage as you want, but I’d never get a laptop with so little storage honestly, much less spend 5k on that. I didn’t even know some M4 MacBooks shipped with 128Gb in 2024…
The G3s and G4s were efficient. The G5s were not. There's a reason Apple never made a G5 laptop and efficiency is why. Some of the iMac G3s didn't even have a fan.

And they got 128GB of RAM. It's the opposite of constraining.
 
I didn’t get to know the PowerPC era, but from what I’ve heard/read, PowerPC chips were extremely hot and the opposite to efficient. And what I’ve known, are the PowerPC game consoles like the PS3 and Xbox360, and the thermal problems were quite evident with the problems that generation had. I’m curious, why do you think PowerPC macs were efficient?


Wow, 128GB on a modern laptop would be so constraining for me… yes, you can add as much external storage as you want, but I’d never get a laptop with so little storage honestly, much less spend 5k on that. I didn’t even know some M4 MacBooks shipped with 128Gb in 2024…
Obviously it’s 128 GB RAM.
 
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The G3s and G4s were efficient. The G5s were not. There'laptop and efficiency is why. Some of the iMac G3s didn't even have a fan.
Oh, I didn’t know that! Because all I knew about PPC back in the day were the hot PS3 and Xbox360 SoC, and I knew Apple had ditched PowerPC CPUs in favor of Intel for the same reason (hot and inefficient G5) I assumed that was the nature of that architecture. I didn’t know some of the G3s didn’t even have a fan!

And they got 128GB of RAM. It's the opposite of constraining.
Yeah. I realized now after reading the post again, that they were talking about RAM, not storage.
 
I didn’t get to know the PowerPC era, but from what I’ve heard/read, PowerPC chips were extremely hot and the opposite to efficient. And what I’ve known, are the PowerPC game consoles like the PS3 and Xbox360, and the thermal problems were quite evident with the problems that generation had. I’m curious, why do you think PowerPC macs were efficient?
In my view, that’s just nostalgia. I started with Macs even before Power PC’s and the move to Intel was a leap like the one to Apple silicon in 2020. PowerPC machines got extremely hot relative to the performance.
 
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In my view, that’s just nostalgia. I started with Macs even before Power PC’s and the move to Intel was a leap like the one to Apple silicon in 2020. PowerPC machines got extremely hot relative to the performance.
My impression of the PPC era was - 1st gen - a lot of potential, there did need to be a move from 68K, but with the 1st gen it was still potential, and not 100% there. G3 - G4 - very good, performance justifying the switch. G5 - just running too hot to live up to the claims, and at that point x86 was taking the lead in terms of real-world performance. The G5 PowerMac was the most obvious example of this - there was the sense that Apple had to throw out their heat management strategy at the last minute and cobble something together from scratch just to make the machine perform at anything close to the claims.

There were a lot of lovely Macs during the PPC era, Especially in the latter half, but it ended up being the CPUs that were holding them back. Too hot, not as much performance as expected. The switch to X86 / x86-64 was the right move, because it was necessary.

The reasons for the switch from intel to Apple silicon were very similar to the switch from PPC to intel. Time is a funny thing. A lot of people are nostalgic about PPC, not that many are nostalgic about the end if the Intel Mac era ( apart from Mac Pro owners), but I wonder if, ten years from now, the nostalgia for Intel Mac will be on the rise.

It’s purely subjective, but I preferred 558k Mac’s to POC macs. I’m not saying there were better, I just like them more.

Probably just my age.
 
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In my view, that’s just nostalgia. I started with Macs even before Power PC’s and the move to Intel was a leap like the one to Apple silicon in 2020. PowerPC machines got extremely hot relative to the performance.
PowerPC was faster intel, and Apple fully exploited that advantage, but the problem was that with both Moto and IBM focus was not innovating the PPC for desktop/mobile processing, they had their own priorities (and problems). Intel improved their cpus and while the G4 represented a big step forward performance wise, the G5 languished, Moto was largely out and IBM while creating the G5 wasn't dedicating that much resources.

So it was only logical that apple move off the PPC platform and embrace intel, because there was no mobile G5, IBM had promised 3ghz performance but never delivered on that, and was unable to provide apple with volumes needed.
 
I didn’t get to know the PowerPC era, but from what I’ve heard/read, PowerPC chips were extremely hot and the opposite to efficient. And what I’ve known, are the PowerPC game consoles like the PS3 and Xbox360, and the thermal problems were quite evident with the problems that generation had. I’m curious, why do you think PowerPC macs were efficient?


Wow, 128GB on a modern laptop would be so constraining for me… yes, you can add as much external storage as you want, but I’d never get a laptop with so little storage honestly, much less spend 5k on that. I didn’t even know some M4 MacBooks shipped with 128Gb in 2024…
That's 128 GB RAM, not storage...
 
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