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You're remarkably fortunate. In my experience the glass can easily sustain scratches even when the user is very careful.

In fact, the lack of 'durability' is my only real complaint with Apple products. Look at the back of an iPod Touch as perhaps the worst example.

Seems wrong that you should need to buy protective skins or covers when the product costs so much in the first place.

My iPhone 4 had two mysterious scratched on the screen that made it look really ugly and I have no idea where they ce from never dropped it and never put anything in the same pocket. Weird but whatever did it must not have web significant enough for me to even think it would affect it
 
The 4S is a good upgrade IMHO. I've got plenty of issues with some of what Apple is doing at the moment, but I actually think the new camera lens that shoots 1080p and has image stabilization, plus the dual core A5 are pretty good enhancements. I have an iPhone 4 and I was going to skip this generation but since my contract runs out in a couple of months, I may well upgrade since I think the camera is very useful.

Regarding the screen size, if the current size isn't big enough for you, then maybe you need to look at a tablet for whatever it is you feel you can't do on the iphone's screen, because a phone screen can only be so big before it becomes cumbersome.

Not really that plussed about Siri though....Bit gimicky.
 
haha it's funny, the specs announced match the specs for the supposed iPhone 5 which people were loving, but since they kept the iPhone 4 design, people are hating on it?!

i bet if they'd changed the design slightly people would be singing Apple's praises.

shallow indeed!
Exactly
 
Great article, just keep an open mind reading this;
http://www.androidcentral.com/edito...e-went-after-samsung-courtroom#comment-323420

To quote Jonyah;
Another thing this lackluster announcement did today was make the new CEO look bad. It set the tone for Apple's future. For his first announcement, it needed to be good. Today's announcement was nothing more than some software updates to bring features that have been missing for years and a slight bump in the iphone specs. That's not good for Mr Cook. He's got a tough road ahead of him now.

slight bump in the iphone specs.

Really, how so. I stopped reading after this. Redesigned OS and internally. They call that a slight bump? Lol.

Get out of here with this.

This is why they are in court. It is so bad Samsung looks like a KIRF.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/09/29/samsung-is-not-copying-apple-here-is-the-proof/
 
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This phone was so cheap to make. They already had the design from iPhone 4 and a chip from iPad. They did nothing new. A company that has so much money does this????!!!!!! This is such a DISASTER and a DISAPPOINTMENT. I hope that people are smart enough to understand this.

Obviously you are not smart enough to understand what Apple is doing.

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Still thinking this is a bad dream, we wake up tomorrow, to an e-mail that says "Oh yeah, one more thing..." and the iPhone5 is coming instead.

But then I woke up, and realized Apple is a business to make money, and lots of it. They love iSheep, and koolaid drinkers. This takes balls of steel for Apple to re-release the iPhone4 as the 4S and call it new.

Innovation :rolleyes:

I guess you forgot all about 3G/3GS, same thing, really are you that shallow thinking. The 4S is awesome. Just cause you didn't get a new design, that will come next year. Its a 2 year design cycle, why can't you **** ***** figure that out.
 
haha it's funny, the specs announced match the specs for the supposed iPhone 5 which people were loving, but since they kept the iPhone 4 design, people are hating on it?!

i bet if they'd changed the design slightly people would be singing Apple's praises.

shallow indeed!
don't be silly. The redesign everyone wanted involved a larger screen.
 
Apple will never put a larger screen on the iPhone. You can wish all you want, it's not happening. Jobs took a very clear position here and it's part of the culture.

Go buy a Samsung.
 
haha it's funny, the specs announced match the specs for the supposed iPhone 5 which people were loving, but since they kept the iPhone 4 design, people are hating on it?!

i bet if they'd changed the design slightly people would be singing Apple's praises.

shallow indeed!

for one thing, I wanted a design I wouldn't have to worry about the antenna and how I hold it

you are right to a certain extent about the shallowness, but still, Apple sell 90% to people who like to look good, of course they are going to complain when nothing changes in 16 months
 
Truthfully, I'm pretty excited about what Samsung/Google has to announce about the Nexus Prime next week, just to see what it'll bring to the table.
 
The problem with most Samsung phones with Android is that damn Touch Wiz skin they put on it. Oh and terrible battery life. A larger screen is nice and all but what's the point if you're tethered to the charger. The only Samsung one should consider is the Nexus S, or the rumored Nexus Prime - which both with have the pure Google Android. Yes you can install a launcher to run over Touch Wiz, but you're just tying up resources which leads to a laggy phone with less battery life.

Honestly, I don't think apple has anything to worry about. All the people threatening to go to Android, I say go for it, but just keep an eye on the 30 Day return policy.
 
For what it's worth, Engadget's review of the Galaxy SII on AT&T reported to have amazing battery life.
 
That article is in no way any reference.
The upgrades done are upgrades:
-better and faster camera
-faster processor
-availability o 64GB
-real world phone
-iOS 5 and all the iCloud services as well as Siri
People are disappointed because all the media hype and bloggers exaggerated the expectations.
I never had in my list of wishes the bigger screen, I do prefer the Retina Display.
Good news is that most of these benefits are in the software, so I can enjoy some of them in my current iPhone 4.
Why would you like to have a Samsumg piece of hardware if there is a limited availability of nice software you can use?
Those having scratches on their glasses is because you are contacting te glass with something harder, or you got a poor quality one. Go tothe genus bar ask for a solution and see what happens, give that a try in a Samsung or Android store....
 
The problem with most Samsung phones with Android is that damn Touch Wiz skin they put on it. Oh and terrible battery life. A larger screen is nice and all but what's the point if you're tethered to the charger. The only Samsung one should consider is the Nexus S, or the rumored Nexus Prime - which both with have the pure Google Android. Yes you can install a launcher to run over Touch Wiz, but you're just tying up resources which leads to a laggy phone with less battery life.

Honestly, I don't think apple has anything to worry about. All the people threatening to go to Android, I say go for it, but just keep an eye on the 30 Day return policy.

You should update your anti-android talking points ... TouchWiz 4 (on the SGSII) is blazing fast, and the battery life is quite good.
 
1. With a device that people expect to carry around in their pockets and/or purse, bigger is not always better.

2. What does the extra RAM really get you? What about the fact that virtually all other internal components were significantly upgraded?

3. Historically speaking, no, one shouldn't expect that.

Companies should look towards the future, innovate and continue the progress in technology.

Clearly apple hasn't done that this time, They have simply stuck a chip from the iPad and put it in the whole form factor.

For a device that we was waiting 16 months for, you do NOT expect nor should expect the same boring and old form factor. Just like at every other mobile manufacture company, they would not sell their devices if they release the same looking mobile.

And more ram is always better, bet you say 8 or whiter years ago that a computer doesn't need more than a gig of ram as well?
 
Companies should look towards the future, innovate and continue the progress in technology.

Clearly apple hasn't done that this time, They have simply stuck a chip from the iPad and put it in the whole form factor.

For a device that we was waiting 16 months for, you do NOT expect nor should expect the same boring and old form factor. Just like at every other mobile manufacture company, they would not sell their devices if they release the same looking mobile.

And more ram is always better, bet you say 8 or whiter years ago that a computer doesn't need more than a gig of ram as well?

The iPhone 4 was so far ahead of everything else, that even at 18 months old, it's still the best selling smart phone. Most of the competition is just starting to catch up - and still lagging in many key areas: screen? still the best available. Camera? other's specs may be better, but I'd put the ip4 up against the best of them any day. built-in memory? Is anything else available with 32GB of high-quality stuff built-in? Battery life? Yeah right... About the only thing that some Android phones have definitively over an iPhone is 4g, which honestly is of interest to only a very small sliver of people, and has real, noticeable drawbacks.

The point is, you can't expect iPhone 4 level of innovation at every generation. Nobody else is coming close, and Apple is still the best at pushing the boundaries of what is technically possible, without causing any negative side-effects, and keeping the device simple and elegant.
 
for one thing, I wanted a design I wouldn't have to worry about the antenna and how I hold it

you are right to a certain extent about the shallowness, but still, Apple sell 90% to people who like to look good, of course they are going to complain when nothing changes in 16 months

not everyone had the problem with the antenna. Plus the 4S obviously makes the antenna problem redundant.

how is all the internals being improved significantly (dual core A5, graphics capability doubled, 8MP camera, much improved sensor for photos, 1080p video recording, facial recognition, image stabilisation, HSPDA+, Possible 1Gb RAM, and more), how does all that add up to nothing changing in 16 months? there wasn't hugely much more they coulda done. NFC has only just had an industry standard agreed, LTE is not really supported much in the US, let alone the rest of the world, all that could have been done really, was a bigger screen, which only a slight amount of people on random forums like this want. Bigger screen doesn't mean better, currently with the screen we have, it's easy to use the phone 1 handed, make the screen bigger and you lose that ease.

don't be silly. The redesign everyone wanted involved a larger screen.

Everyone? you went and asked every single person in the world what they wanted from the new iPhone? wow.... or do you mean the people on forums like this which probably don't add up to more than 5% of the iPhone customers in total...... Alot of people are happy with the size the way it is.

spose anyone thats really not happy about screen size and want to go bigger can go android and make this forum more bareable again.....
 
So because there are so many different handset manufacturers and carriers all over the world tryin to adapt the google Android OS into something that feels 'new' for some...and this is happening along 1 product lifecycle you guys are seriously expecting Apple to appeal a few forum participants because you want all what is out there and not what you really need or really makes the iOS devices something better.
I wonder how many of you have actually worked in a project to release somehow to market tagt includes software and hardware research and development, supply base development, ramp up and continuous production.
Do you guys really think that Apple is inky working on the iPhone? While many play catch up, Apple has released iPads and iPods, aTV, many Macs and all the software out there....

Apple has a lot of cash, but that not necessarily means that they have infinite resources there are real life limitations, specially in the suppliers, and the volumes needed to release a mainstream product.

The facts that some competitors have lower volumes might allow them to do certain things, but I seriously believe that having a new model every year is not efficient either, and the complaints will be that I just paid X for this and now I am obsolete...
 
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