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and about 3 good comments hidden somewhere in the rubble.
Fact: If it weren't for OSX (compared to the alternatives), I'd be writing this using an ugly but up-to-date and cheap (compared to MacPro) PC tower with a premium, matte monitor.
Opinion: What really sustains Mac is OSX. If it were as crappy as Windows, no amount of monkey shine could sell those pretty boxes at high volume at the present prices.
Opinion: What really sustains Mac is OSX. If it were as crappy as Windows, no amount of monkey shine could sell those pretty boxes at high volume at the present prices.
Oooh, impressive! Actually, I worked in facilities management (you know, the guys who design and build your cube farms, research and purchase your chairs, teach ergonomics workshops, etc.) for years, and ergonomics was something I worked with (and studied) every single day. But I'm sure your college class was awesome too.
Apparently only the HP EliteBook 6930p (and perhaps a few others) is aware of this ergonomic wonderlight. You like totally should call Dell and Sony and Asus and share your ergonomic knowledge. Tell them you took a class in school. They'll really respect that. Hopefully we can get cupholder, er, popup lights on all of our laptops!
Now begone to my Ignore list. Seriously. Your endless blubbering about Apple stuff (on an Apple users' forum) is both pathetic and annoying. You're like a lonely divorcee who can't quit talking trash about the guy she wishes hadn't dumped her.
Enjoy your mediocre HP craptops. I sure won't enjoy mine.
hahah oh wow. Now you are just being arrogant. get a life.
Who's we? Oh, I forgot, owning a Mac gives you free automatic membership to some kind of elite industrial design standards committee doesn't it...
My mistake
OS X + Macs constitute the overall User Experience that Apple is famous for. OS joined to the hardware, etc. I'm sure you've come across the rationale before.
And of course you know that you can run OSX on DELLs with exactly the same "User Experience" (just cheaper). Could you explain what exactly this "user experience" is?
Maybe 'famous' on forums like this
My experience with 'average' consumers and apple computers seems to be more along the lines of "ohh, that looks nice - maybe I'll buy one of those".
I'm really not hugely interested in sales figures of any company. I rather arrogantly think that the general tech buying public is, clueless.
If osx is 'joined to the hardware', how does it running perfectly on any generic x86 machine effect the 'famous overall User Experience'?
Stop spreading your lies
Last quarter AAPL made $3.38 billion If you meant more than one quarter you should have specified how many exactly.
Last quarter AAPL made $3.38 billion If you meant more than one quarter you should have specified how many exactly.
a giant LED backlit monitor
i've priced out Dell's and once you add everything that a iMac comes with, the price is the same. iMac even has a nice price advantage when you factor in the LCD. Apple uses very expensive LCD screens that cost a lot of money if you were to buy on yourself. Dell offers LED backlit screens on their laptops, but not desktops.
as it is now the iMac's are priced OK compared to Dells. Macbook Pro's are way overpriced
I didn't need a whole rumor entry...
...To tell me macs were expensive. But as long as were on the subject.
Macs tend to be more hassle-free than PC's running windows. I attribute this primarily to two things.
1) Hardware and software are made by same company. This means that every laptop and desktop is standardized by apple and made with the same parts. It makes upgrading the OS on your Mac a lot easier when the OS was made exclusively for your computer. Most windows horror stories i hear always start with "It all started when i tried to upgrade to Windows ______"
2) To my knowledge, any software written for a Mac goes through Apple first before it can be offered to people. This is why the system is so stable. Again, most Windows horror stories start with "it all started when i installed _____"
The way Apple builds their computers is such that they can't be upgraded. You upgrade a PC by replacing some parts, you upgrade a Mac by buying a new mac. Mac users know this, and Apple knows this. So naturally they are going to keep their profits up by making their cheapest computers still very expensive.
Frankly i think Apple could bring down the price of the Macbook to about $800 and keep the Macbook Pro's at $1,000 and above. They would gain a whole lot more profit by making macbooks more affordable and they'd stay in the high end market with the Macbook Pro.
Microsoft on the other hand needs to standardize the hardware they're working with. If they want to make the computers more stable they need to exercise more control over what is going into the computers. Though i doubt this will happen because the different manufacturers can't compete if all their computers are the same.
...To tell me macs were expensive. But as long as were on the subject.
Macs tend to be more hassle-free than PC's running windows. I attribute this primarily to two things.
1) Hardware and software are made by same company. This means that every laptop and desktop is standardized by apple and made with the same parts. It makes upgrading the OS on your Mac a lot easier when the OS was made exclusively for your computer. Most windows horror stories i hear always start with "It all started when i tried to upgrade to Windows ______"
2) To my knowledge, any software written for a Mac goes through Apple first before it can be offered to people. This is why the system is so stable. Again, most Windows horror stories start with "it all started when i installed _____"
The way Apple builds their computers is such that they can't be upgraded. You upgrade a PC by replacing some parts, you upgrade a Mac by buying a new mac. Mac users know this, and Apple knows this. So naturally they are going to keep their profits up by making their cheapest computers still very expensive.
Frankly i think Apple could bring down the price of the Macbook to about $800 and keep the Macbook Pro's at $1,000 and above. They would gain a whole lot more profit by making macbooks more affordable and they'd stay in the high end market with the Macbook Pro.
Microsoft on the other hand needs to standardize the hardware they're working with. If they want to make the computers more stable they need to exercise more control over what is going into the computers. Though i doubt this will happen because the different manufacturers can't compete if all their computers are the same.
You can price out a custom machine from any company - the prices vary quite drastically if you're trying to get good value for your needs or simply trying to make a point on an internet forum.
I don't think this is correct for OS X, I think anyone can go ahead and develop applications for OSX. In the case of the iPhone OS, if you want to mass release your application you need Apple to approve it first. You can also develop your own apps and distribute it to a few people without Apple's approval.
OR, you can mass distribute to jailbroken iPhones.
MS doesn't need to standardize the hardware it runs on. Linux is the perfect example that a good OS will run fine on virtually every hardware you toss into. What MS needs to do is to drop legacy support, which is biggest vulnerability vector.
Gaming rigs really wont cost over $1000, You can put together a pretty beefy gaming rig for under that.
Dude...MS just sold 60 million copies of Windos 7 in one quarter. Apple was bragging about their record setting 3 million macs.
Are there 60 million OSX desktops even in existence since it was introduced? MS just did that in three months. And people are excited about it. People LIKE Windows 7. They made 8 billion in profit, when again, Apple was bragging about 3. I really don't think MS has a "problem" at the moment, they are still burying Apple, for better or worse.
We'll be down to Apple and Microsoft. Though mistaking one for the other is still quite common.
Who makes the money again when you install Windows on your Mac?
and components are all hardware that a fab plant is pressing out of the silicon for boards, and the instruction sets aren't at the same layer as an OS or other software program you run on top of an OS.
zunes, ipods, iphones, fall more into consumer electronics than computer hardware, the parts inside that make up those gadets are hardware and last time i checked neither MS or Apple manufacturer any of it, hell they don't even put it all together, they shop around for components and then pay someone to build it
now with that aquisition of PA it looks like they are trying to bring more in house but it remains to be seen how far they are going to go with it. are they really going to have a PA chip power the next gen MBP? and eventually a Mac that uses all in house Apple manufactured parts? i highly doubt it, because that isn't their area of expertise. they expertise is designing good software, and that is why they farm out the hardware, instead of making or designing it
Firstly, there are plenty LED backlit monitors on the market. Since you probably refer to the recently introduced iMac 27" panel there is indeed not that many similar monitors yet. However, you should realize that Apple does not produce either LCD panels or LEDs or almost any components to that matter so there simply can not be any Mac exclusivity there. DELL now has a monitor that apparently uses the same panel as iMac. IPS panel with the same high resolution. However DELL opted for CCFL (instead of LED) and it is possible that Apple just made a big mistake here. We all know about yellow tint issue with 27" iMacs. In addition, DELL's monitor offers 102% color gamut (based on the CIE 1931 standard) whereas iMacs only give you 72%. Of course, iMacs were not designed with professionals in mind but still... You can find more info on this DELL U2711 here.
Oh, so I can just pop in the OS X install DVD and that's it?
I never knew it was that easy!
60 million users tied to Windows and suffering with either XP or Vista just upgraded. It took MS 6+ years to release a half-decent OS. After all that time MS finally got its core (in)competency right. Those who could afford to leave MS for Apple, did. Those who were tied to low cost options remained stuck. When Windows 7 finally hit and people figured out it didn't suck, they made a bee-line to it.
There's your big quarter.
You want impressive?
"Impressive" is more people actively choosing a Premium-priced item in the presence of (and aggressive promotion of) lower-cost alternatives. In a recession. And there are more of these Premium units sold successively quarter after quarter. Which tells you that either the Premium segment of retail is expanding and gaining new members that fall into the appropriate income brackets, or that consumers are choosing to spend more because they perceive a higher value proposition with these Premium-priced products.
THAT is impressive. Record Mac sales, quarter after quarter, in a recession. And we're talking new Apple customers here. And, as it has been said, Windows 7 has had no impact at all on Mac sales.
There's your definition of big quarter.
i tried it out when Apple made the move to x86 and there were a handful of modifications that had to be first to get by hardware locks, and you also had to locate a specific MB and chipset combo. things may be different now but i haven't tried since the beginning and it was more of a novelty thing just to see if i could do it
That's not the point. You are talking about the experience of combining Apple's hardware and software. I am just saying that the experience is the same with DELL hardware. So one can obviously exclude the hardware from this equation. Then it lives you just with the software.
Oops.
So much for the User Experience.
No, the experience most certainly isn't the same. For one, it's Dell hardware. Yuck.
I think the point being made is if all you could see was an apple keyboard mouse and monitor. you could not tell the difference if OSX was running on Dell or Apple hardware.
You would believe it was an apple computer. Since Apple now runs off generic PC parts. Do not think for a second that apple computer hardware is any better than dell. Only difference is the casing. It is all made in China using cheap China made parts.
Makes me think of an old line from Armageddon. Russian Cosmonaut "Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! " (Process to beat it and fix the problem)
