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The iPod dip is true. I ride the NYC subway a lot which is a good indicator of that technology people use. I few years ago you would see that all of the Mp3 players were iPods, now I am seeing all different kinds.

Apple needs to release a larger screen with a scratch resistant case. They'll probably jump back up to the 70% range.
No they need to release iPods with 24 hr battery lifes in HDs. Bigger screens means like 4 hrs playback. I want to use my iPod to listen to music not watch the bar gently move across the screen. Simpler, cheaper, better MP3 players. Thats what I want.
 
Yeah, this survey means something, but not a lot. What it says is that of users who buy fixed retail configurations, 7.7% of desktop users and 9.9% of laptop users choose Apple. What it means could vary by circumstance. It could say Macs on the the rise as personal hime computers, but it could also say that Mac users more more likely to choose the fixed configurations opposed to BTO.
 
I'll bet the reason its marketshare in notebooks dropped is that everybody is like us, waiting to buy until the MB's and MBP's are updated.

Everybody is DEFINITELY not like us, that's for sure. While the impact of sales to existing MB/MBP owners may be significant, a large jump in these figures could be representative of growth in new users--a longtime metric of success for Apple. Without the full report and an explanation of the methodology, it would be difficult to draw definitive conclusions on the data.


The marketshare numbers seem a bit bogus because they're retail store only. Notice that Dell isn't anywhere on the list. I'd think that most corporate sales don't go through retail stores. Overall market share must be less -- not 7.7% and 9.9%.

These are US figures. What about worldwide marketshare numbers for computers, operating systems, web browsers and MP3s?

Irrelevant. The market report was sliced and diced for the U.S. market retail sales because that's the scope of the report. For whatever reason (costs, accuracy, time sensitivity, constituency) the report left out WW figures doesn't make it useless or bogus...If you were a Best Buy or Circuit City executive looking to plan U.S. strategy for your computer sales, which report would you purchase--a U.S. retail report or a WW computer industry report? Each of these things cost upwards of $3-5K per report...


The iPod dip is true. I ride the NYC subway a lot which is a good indicator of that technology people use. I few years ago you would see that all of the Mp3 players were iPods, now I am seeing all different kinds.

Anecdotes are like the single-celled protozoa of evidence...Everyone in my neighborhood drives a Chevy, therefore Toyota must be doing terrible. (Obviously not true.)


These numbers mean very little.

Without direct sales (read Apple Stores, Apple online and Dell) what is the point of saying anything?

Without numbers from the largest retailer on the planet what do these numbers say? Not much.

This is for only one small section of the market.

Look at the top two spots. Those two are featured at Best Buy and Compusa like crazy.

They can say quite a bit, actually. The right set of data for the right analysis...It could be surmised that the retail chain market is a proxy for computer adoption rates across the U.S. The fact that Apple is in the top five laptop unit sales despite holding a small minority in the overall market figures is encouraging. It can mean that people off the street, who don't have access to expert advice or are motivated by mass promotions (i.e. TV commercials) are buying Apples despite their relative inexperience with them...

My point is the numbers are there for the executives and consultants to make sense of it. When these figures are presented to the board or client, I can assure you they aren't just regurgitations of the printed report. Anyone can read the report, but it takes quite a bit of work to make a forward-looking statement or build an argument to base a solid strategic plan.


The USA is not little...its a very large country.

And the reaspm MR did not say where the data is from, is because the NDP Group never told us.

5% of the population drawing 25% of the resources...yeah, I'd say its large. The U.S. still has the largest, strongest consumer market in the world.

The data usually comes from surveys straight from manufacturers who agree to give broad numbers and estimates. The numbers that we see are aggregates and won't reveal any sort of confidential or proprietary information that would compromise their business.
 
Didn't Apple sell more ipods than expected last qtr ? - and yet their market share declines - strange.
 
You might want to mention in your articles like this whether the figures are US-only or world wide. Apple to sell a lot of computers to people outside your little country you know.

I think it's a safe bet, when talking about a California company on a Virginia/Illinois board, that we're talking about US stuff, unless otherwise specified.

I was actually surprised at the retail numbers - I haven't been paying very close attention, but they would have been much smaller several years ago (3-4%).

That was before Apple advertised Macs on TV with any level of seriousness. (in the US, obviously). ;)
 
I think people are starting to get bored with the iPod design and rightly so. Other then thinning the thing down, going color, and going from a mechanical click wheel to what we have now very few things have changed in the last 7 years. Yes yes they brought out flash versions which is great for people who have only has 8GB of songs. And yes they brought out the shuffle. But other then that? Same basic design. I've been saying this for years and I will continue to say it: Apple stopped giving a dang about their iPod years ago. As long as it sells they have no incentive to really innovate with the design. I would really like to see their market share stabilize at around 46-50%. Right now Apple is smug and it annoys me.
As for mobile shares. *shrugs* They have a fairly good product out. (I say fairly because I'm still a little bit jaded after all the issues I've had on two of their laptops since Feb 06.) Ditto with the desktops. No reason they shouldn't be kicking butt.
 
Yep, watch out Apple, Microsoft's Zune is....

Oh, wait...

No one gives a crap about the Zune. Creative and several of the other manufacturers on the other hand....Zune is not the only competition and frankly I really like some of the designs other companies are putting out lately.
 
I think people are starting to get bored with the iPod design and rightly so. Other then thinning the thing down, going color, and going from a mechanical click wheel to what we have now very few things have changed in the last 7 years. Yes yes they brought out flash versions which is great for people who have only has 8GB of songs. And yes they brought out the shuffle. But other then that? Same basic design. I've been saying this for years and I will continue to say it: Apple stopped giving a dang about their iPod years ago. As long as it sells they have no incentive to really innovate with the design. I would really like to see their market share stabilize at around 46-50%. Right now Apple is smug and it annoys me.


Added Video? iTunes Music store...then TV shows and Music Vidoes, then Movies. What else is there to do? Touch screen technolgy is still new..and since battyer life is key in a portable device, its only been recently Apple could really look as touch screen iPods. The click wheel is pretty great.
 
Added Video? iTunes Music store...then TV shows and Music Vidoes, then Movies. What else is there to do? Touch screen technolgy is still new..and since battyer life is key in a portable device, its only been recently Apple could really look as touch screen iPods. The click wheel is pretty great.

Video is just that....an addon. It like the iPod Photo. It was an afterthought vs. a really integrated feature. iTMS is purely software. Ditto with the content. I'm not talking software I'm purely focusing on hardware and new and innovative designs.

No they need to release iPods with 24 hr battery lifes in HDs. Bigger screens means like 4 hrs playback. I want to use my iPod to listen to music not watch the bar gently move across the screen. Simpler, cheaper, better MP3 players. Thats what I want.

Thankfully you don't represent the average user. Many are moving towards wanting a PMP vs. a dedicated music device. The happy medium these days seems to be 12-20 hours of battery life. And frankly if you don't run video you will GET better battery life. Don't like the feature? Don't use it.
Phones on the other hand are a different beast. Adding video takes up very little space and battery life. Adding a phone....well that another matter altogether.
Personally I want to see iPod Video Line, iPod standard, iPod Nano, iPod shuffle. Eventually once they can get flash up to a respectable since drop the standard and integrate it into the Nano.
 
How do those numbers say nothing?

It shows a trend right? A trend that seems to make sense to everyone.

But I agree it is sort of useless.

The numbers are so abstracted that they really do say nothing and it's hard to draw a real conclusion. Even if you see an apparent "trend" it may just be the skewing of numbers caused by it being so incomplete a picture. If you only count in-store sales when most of Apple's competitors do massive amount of business through other channels, then it's meaningless. And I know that Apple sells a lot through direct channels too, but I can guarantee you that Dell lays waste to Apple in that area. I'm not sure what these numbers are supposed to tell us.
 
I wonder how much of the iPod market is being lost to failed MP3 players being dumped at low prices? If you've got a warehouse with 20,000 players you can't sell at $200 do they just show up at Walmart at $79.99?
 
The marketshare numbers seem a bit bogus because they're retail store only. Notice that Dell isn't anywhere on the list. I'd think that most corporate sales don't go through retail stores. Overall market share must be less -- not 7.7% and 9.9%.

Yes, that's a TOTAL ********. And the mp3 market share loss is irrelevant and nonexistent, because a sizeable (if not the majority) part of iPods IS SOLD through dedicated Apple Stores, which sell NONE of the other brands.

It's nice to see Apple in the top 5 even for desktops...but one must admit that, even though Dell is crumbling in its direct sales model, it's still on top of most others...so Apple would be 6th, not 5th.
 
I think people are starting to get bored with the iPod design and rightly so. Other then thinning the thing down, going color, and going from a mechanical click wheel to what we have now very few things have changed in the last 7 years. Yes yes they brought out flash versions which is great for people who have only has 8GB of songs. And yes they brought out the shuffle. But other then that? Same basic design. I've been saying this for years and I will continue to say it: Apple stopped giving a dang about their iPod years ago. As long as it sells they have no incentive to really innovate with the design. I would really like to see their market share stabilize at around 46-50%. Right now Apple is smug and it annoys me.
As for mobile shares. *shrugs* They have a fairly good product out. (I say fairly because I'm still a little bit jaded after all the issues I've had on two of their laptops since Feb 06.) Ditto with the desktops. No reason they shouldn't be kicking butt.

i think it is nice that they have not changed the design much at all. if they had, it would look just alike another company who hired then fired each design team. the similar look shows dedication towards a product and design. if they added something like internal mike or recording from the apple radio remote, that would be nice, but most of what other mp3 players come with is basically just... radio and mic recording, nothing else.

ipod views .psd files which no one else does... few even properly support tiff or gif for instance. i have meizu m6 and cowon (amazing sound quality d2 [cough cough]) and they are compeltely poor implementations of standards that i have come to love from the ipod. they both hiss more with iems and have inconsistent os.

ipod is itself a standard for excellence. other companies have only trumped it in a few areas but fall back in every other area apart from their forte. both the meizu and the cowon hiss like mad too when recording, one only records in wma the other tops at 128 mp3. they cannot be rockboxed and have no dock to enjoy extensions.

basically, the ipod has led revolutions in the portable music industry and i am sure apple are thinking on how to improve what is almost perfect.
 
The marketshare numbers seem a bit bogus because they're retail store only. Notice that Dell isn't anywhere on the list. I'd think that most corporate sales don't go through retail stores. Overall market share must be less -- not 7.7% and 9.9%.

You are right about corporate sales. Small businesses may 'shop locally'. But, corporations usually have B to B relationships with their suppliers. So, capX purchases are largely done on-line, or through a VAR.
 
The numbers are so abstracted that they really do say nothing and it's hard to draw a real conclusion. Even if you see an apparent "trend" it may just be the skewing of numbers caused by it being so incomplete a picture. If you only count in-store sales when most of Apple's competitors do massive amount of business through other channels, then it's meaningless. And I know that Apple sells a lot through direct channels too, but I can guarantee you that Dell lays waste to Apple in that area. I'm not sure what these numbers are supposed to tell us.

The numbers, which matter most, are those which get posted on their quarterly reports. Over the past 3-4 years, sales across their entire product line have shown steady growth.

As far as the sales figures in this thread go, they seem to represent those associated with retailing activity. What seems to of issue is readers (posters) trying to extrapolate more from them, than is intended.
 
Video is just that....an addon. It like the iPod Photo. It was an afterthought vs. a really integrated feature. iTMS is purely software. Ditto with the content. I'm not talking software I'm purely focusing on hardware and new and innovative designs.
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Well what can they do? They hardware has moving a new ways...the new click wheel is MUCH better then the first gen. Video is great(for me)...and the content is what matter, software matters. My iPod does everything I want it to...plus more. The touch screen iPod will be nice, but the current one is very funtional
 
Probably already stated but, a touchscreen ipod 120+gb space will fix that mp3 market share :)

120+ gb flash, preferably...:cool:

I do see the trend around here (Netherlands) that all-in-one gear like the SonyEricsson Walkman Phone is becoming more and more popular in favor of iPods
 
Something looks really dodgy about those figures... Where is dell? Last I heard they are at least the number 1 (going on number 2) worldwide seller and the US number 2...

Unless someone cocked it up and compaq should actually be dell.
 
Something looks really dodgy about those figures... Where is dell? Last I heard they are at least the number 1 (going on number 2) worldwide seller and the US number 2...

Unless someone cocked it up and compaq should actually be dell.

These figures were for retail-sales. Dell does not sell retail.
 
These reports are crap.
They dont include Apple stores so how can they be even remotely accurate?
I just hate this kind of 'journalism' - inaccurate and made up.

Apple sales are growing faster than any other company - that must piss a lot of people off, so we get rubbish like this.

Must Apple bring out a new iPod every week to be 'cool'?

Apple's growth is phenomenal - doubled sales in two years, doubled share price in one year!

Calm down, this is almost certainly a Microsoft piece of crap - yes, they really do hire people to post biased and untrue reports about competitors!

Some of you guys probably think 911 was Bin Laden and a bunch of Arabs from a cave in Afghanistan, dont you?

Time to grow up, boys.

Microsh*t is evil and Bush is a criminal, and Bill Gates isnt really a charitable guy......
 
These reports are crap.
They dont include Apple stores so how can they be even remotely accurate?

It DOES include Apple Stores, what it doesn't include is their online-store. Yes, that means that the data is not 100% reliable, but still.

Apple sales are growing faster than any other company - that must piss a lot of people off, so we get rubbish like this.

What "rubbish"? They basically said that "Apple's computer-sales are going up, but they had a slight decline in iPods.". Is that such a terrible news that it's "rubbish"?

Calm down, this is almost certainly a Microsoft piece of crap - yes, they really do hire people to post biased and untrue reports about competitors!

Yeah, they paid these guys to tell us that Apple is selling more and more computers, while their dominance in mp3-players isn't quite as strong as it was before.

Some of you guys probably think 911 was Bin Laden and a bunch of Arabs from a cave in Afghanistan, dont you?

Time to grow up, boys.

Microsh*t is evil and Bush is a criminal, and Bill Gates isnt really a charitable guy......

OK, you are now officially starting to lose it.
 
Something looks really dodgy about those figures... Where is dell? Last I heard they are at least the number 1 (going on number 2) worldwide seller and the US number 2...

Unless someone cocked it up and compaq should actually be dell.

It counts Brick and mortar retail sales only. In other words, if you go to Best Buy or the Apple store and physically get one off the shelf. It doesn't count any computer that is bought direct, mail/phone order, or through an online retailer.
 
I see a lot of negative ratings, but this is actually quite surprising for Apple to do this well given the anti-Mac sentiments I see echoed in about every retail outlet save for the Apple Store. About twice a year, for kicks, I'll go into a Best Buy or other retailer and see how hard it is to buy a Mac. If I go in and ask for a Mac, in every store except for Fry's, I always get steered toward some other bargain basement crapbox that is marked way up. It really is sad the way that retailers treat customers when they don't know that you know more about what they're selling than they ever will.
 
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