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NSA Servers Collect Personal Data Sent by iPhone Apps
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What I don't understand is when China does this, everyone is up in arms. When the American government does it, people just roll over...
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Have you forgotten about the SAURON program that Snowden exposed already? Mass Surveillance in the United States:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States
gnasher729
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There are millions of security cameras producing pictures where you absolutely can't recognise anybody. No wonder.
No, he conveniently seemed to be completely unaware of all of Snowdens disclosures. He's in denial, like most people who lose an argument and are grasping at straws.
Of course, we won't get there directly - and to be honest, I think one day (maybe not in our lifetimes) it will be the norm, and accepted... maybe even appreciated.
For all we know, all of this data mining could have quietly prevented some sort of dreadful attack somewhere. As I said, I really don't think they care about high scores, what you've bought on Amazon for your wife or are downloading from iTunes.
On your wee update:
What happened in North Korea was horrible. Unfortunately, that is the 'way of life' over there. They haven't known anything different from that. In Western societies anyway, we're democracy - we choose our leaders, they haven't for a long time. I think it's the "don't question or upset the hand that feeds you" logic over there.
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gotluck
macrumors 603
I live right next to Cape Canaveral, my house rumbles during launches, bragging about an area that the US keeps cutting funding towards is funny. SpaceX is doing well too FYI.
This is all completely beside the point of the US Gov's inability to secure digital information.
benji888
macrumors 68000
Personally, I'm glad the NSA can spy a CRIMINAL's device! "it only analyzes data on foreign intelligence targets" ...this means very particular individuals that have been profiled as doing criminal activity. (duh)
Paranoia abounds because too many people watch too many TV shows and Movies that do much more than really can be done, and in a much, much faster way than possible (they have to speed things up for the short show/movie times) ...these are fiction people, not fact. 🙄 ...and these shows only tap into a criminal's activity anyway.
It's really silly and ignorant to think that the NSA is spying on every single person, you really think they have time to watch multi-millions of smart phones, computers, credit card or other data???
No need to fear, as long as you aren't dealing drugs, weapons or otherwise breaking laws, no one is watching you.
I think the fear is also related to the current lack of common sense...at least in the USA. (yes, I was born in the USA, but, raised with common sense).
Paranoia abounds because too many people watch too many TV shows and Movies that do much more than really can be done, and in a much, much faster way than possible (they have to speed things up for the short show/movie times) ...these are fiction people, not fact. 🙄 ...and these shows only tap into a criminal's activity anyway.
It's really silly and ignorant to think that the NSA is spying on every single person, you really think they have time to watch multi-millions of smart phones, computers, credit card or other data???
No need to fear, as long as you aren't dealing drugs, weapons or otherwise breaking laws, no one is watching you.
I think the fear is also related to the current lack of common sense...at least in the USA. (yes, I was born in the USA, but, raised with common sense).
You just nailed it. They often have the same quality that you can expect from a potato, and store their recordings on premise.
bushido
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first problem: what defines a "target"
a journalist who may uncover something that is the truth but the gov. does not want anyone to find out because it would lead to a huge outcry? what stops them from deleting those emails or evidence just to "protect the country" or spyong on other countries cooperations for their own gain to again "protect the country"
another "target" could be be someone who says something against the gov. simply as that. ask china or even turkey as of late
its the first step into a "police state" and no i havent watched too many scifi movies
a journalist who may uncover something that is the truth but the gov. does not want anyone to find out because it would lead to a huge outcry? what stops them from deleting those emails or evidence just to "protect the country" or spyong on other countries cooperations for their own gain to again "protect the country"
another "target" could be be someone who says something against the gov. simply as that. ask china or even turkey as of late
its the first step into a "police state" and no i havent watched too many scifi movies
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You're making the mistake of thinking metadata is private.
I want you to come to a place to make sure you understand that metadata was never private communications, and when government collects metadata, it doesn't intercept private communications.
Metadata is everything EXCEPT your private communications. Even not communicating is metadata.
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Wow so SpaceX is finally catching up to what government was doing 50 years ago.
gotluck
macrumors 603
😕😕😕 I'm done.
NASA has been slacking lately.. just ask all the out of work nasa employees in my area.
If you look real close, this picture is fairly old. Those cars look to be at least from last decade.
I personally give it ten years. Ten years until countries like the US and UK have situations like they have in a country like China or NK.... where you are afraid to say anything negative about the government (whether to a neighbor, or in an email), because some armed officials will show up at your door. Those countries encourage citizens to rat out people that say anything bad. You are then dragged out of your house and disappear for 6 months. We are most definitely heading that direction. Because things that many of you defend and say is not a big deal, are things that citizens 20, 30, 40 years ago would never have tolerated.
gotluck
macrumors 603
Hopefully solutions like TOR, and others yet discovered will become commonplace before this becomes too much of a problem. I too fear that the days of a free internet are numbered.
Peoples acceptance of the lockdown method on iOS is a contributer!
mrsir2009
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Besides the fact that the NSA routinely does spy on U.S citizens, it's funny how a lot of people act like no-one outside America matters when it comes to spying... cause' we're all terrorists and commies and socialists 😉
I'm only 22, so I haven't been able to experience that with my own eyes. Who knows, it could change over the next 10-20 years, it might not. I should say, I'm going into the field of computer security and digital forensics, it's more than likely I might be looking over from the other side of the fence in when I finish my Masters.
I was brought up to know right from wrong. If I spot something that's wrong - I'll make some noise about it.
gotluck
macrumors 603
Indeed. But all the more reason to fight to keep what we have in democratized countries. Everyone is complacent, has no idea at all about the various types of governments exist, and does not seem to care at all that year by year citizens "rights" are being walked back.
You just don't get it, do you? The NSA is targeting everybody, regardless of their affiliation. Your belief that the agency only targets foreigners only is wrong and I have continued to prove you wrong but you keep dodging my point.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents?CMP=twt_fd
Oh yeah, they also spy on love stories between people.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/...Fnsa-officers-sometimes-spy-on-love-interests
Here are plenty more examples:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-collection-justice-department
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24279394
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/nsa-examines-social-networks-of-us-citizens.html?hp&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/nsa-examines-social-networks-of-us-citizens.html?_r=1&
All of these American interests. Let me know when you finish reading, there's plenty more where that came from.
People like yourself actually do give me hope. I think part of the problem that exists today is that so many people just do not understand computers, the internet, and ways that information is used/abused. Hopefully younger generations, who are going to understand these things far better, will recognize how important these issues are.
There are still some people that think metadata was supposed to be private. Those people have no idea how the internet actually works, because metadata needs to be public for routers to read it.
They also have never heard of Supreme court cases, such as Smith vs. Maryland, that have already decided metadata wasn't private.
My recommendation to you Snowden lovers is to change your expectations on what you thought was supposed to be private communications, and act accordingly.
People much smarter than you or your beloved high-school dropout hero Snowden have already decided your fate.