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If it ain't broke...

Anyway, I'm glad that apple has *finally* made this upgrade available. The 8800gt isn't even out of date, considering the new 9 series use the same core.
I presume this is mostly of major interest to gamers?

There are plenty of better cards than the 8800GT, including the 9800. The 9800 is actually 2 cards in 1..so its like an SLI in 1 card. That is why it is so powerful. Also, mac pros can't SLI, so your basically stuck with a single good card, but not the best card on the market, for about $100 more than it is worth.

But hey..at least you got osx
 
The 9800X2 will be a one card SLI and its going to be more than just $100 mroe. The 9800GT will be the next development over the 8800GT and its marginally faster. The main benefit is the ability to support 3 cards at once - sorta like SLI but with 3 cards ... so whatever you'd call that.

There are plenty of better cards than the 8800GT, including the 9800. The 9800 is actually 2 cards in 1..so its like an SLI in 1 card. That is why it is so powerful. Also, mac pros can't SLI, so your basically stuck with a single good card, but not the best card on the market, for about $100 more than it is worth.

But hey..at least you got osx
 
There are plenty of better cards than the 8800GT, including the 9800. The 9800 is actually 2 cards in 1..so its like an SLI in 1 card. That is why it is so powerful. Also, mac pros can't SLI, so your basically stuck with a single good card, but not the best card on the market, for about $100 more than it is worth.

But hey..at least you got osx

The 9800gtx is marginally better than the 8800gt. As I said, they both use the same core. Nvidia is 'lieing' by calling it the 9-series. Its not a new generation.

The sli card (9800gx2) is just a dual pcb card with a single slot - they did that with the 7950gx2, although it needed SLI.

So even though the 8800gt is old, its (unfortunately) still up to date. Its missing tri-sli and DX10.1.
 
Your All An Ungrateful Lot!!!

Somebody send a thankyou e-mail to Steve!!! and quit your bitching about this card being too expensive, I think it's a damn miracle the card was even released for older mac pros.
 
About Friggin Time, Steve....

Wow. Will wonders never cease. Glad they finally got this out for the pre-2008 Mac Pro owners.

......even though it carries with it about $100.00 premium. :rolleyes:
 
The 9800gtx is marginally better than the 8800gt. As I said, they both use the same core. Nvidia is 'lieing' by calling it the 9-series. Its not a new generation.

The sli card (9800gx2) is just a dual pcb card with a single slot - they did that with the 7950gx2, although it needed SLI.

So even though the 8800gt is old, its (unfortunately) still up to date. Its missing tri-sli and DX10.1.

marginal? Maybe price/performance but straight performance the 9800 is leaps and bounds faster than a 8800gt

i wouldn't buy one though b\c its way to expensive atm. I'd wait until there's a 9800gt and go for that.
 
What the efff? You say this...

RE: " E F I "................... WRONG!

And then this?

EFI is Apple's copyright that allows ONLY Apple or companies Apple chooses to license for the production of Mac video cards. Technically, many off the shelf PC video cards will work in Mac Pros within Windows or with minimal system updates but Apple deliberately chooses for off the shelf video cards to not work with Mac OS X. Whether EFI offers any advantages to PC BIOS, I doubt, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any advantages other than deliberate incompatibility.

All you did was elaborate (incorrectly, I might add) on "E F I." LOL
Thanks for proving my point. :rolleyes:
But next time, get your facts straight first. Apple doesn't own EFI.
 
Only those in business should comment on Apples business model. They do not have a monopoly, and a business model is FAR more complex than just what video cards they choose to offer.

You are correct. I'm just a "serf" in the world, but I speculate here:

iFizz said:
All "official" iPhone apps must be sold at the App Store. This gives the iPhone app developers marketing and visibility of their apps to 100% of iPhone users. Call it a marketing utopia. Anyone who's got a good app, PC or Mac, will want to get a piece of this pie and make some extra money by selling an iPhone version of it. In order to code the iPhone app, you have to have a Mac (coding in Cocoa). So that sells more macs, especially to PC software development companies that never had Macs before. Their software engineers get to learn Cocoa, instead of dorking around with Cider. They build the app for the iPhone, sell it on the App store, and then everyone rolls in the dough! So now, big-time PC developers have Macs and their software engineers have wicked awesome Cocoa coding skills. Well, they might as well develop Mac versions of their games and applications! This will drive up supply of Mac games and apps, in turn driving up demand for bigger selection, better quality, and more frequently updated GPUs from Apple. Apple will have to $h*# or get off the pot. Apple won't be stupid about this, seeing a great opportunity to increase their market share as more games and apps are developed natively for Mac.
At least that's how many "experts" are speculating this will work.
 
I have one of the first MacPro that came out, I have installed a 7300GT, I was wondering if this card will work in this older model and if anyone has experience with 3D/Compositing software on it, particularly Maya, Nuke etc.
 
I have one of the first MacPro that came out, I have installed a 7300GT, I was wondering if this card will work in this older model and if anyone has experience with 3D/Compositing software on it, particularly Maya, Nuke etc.

Yes it is designed to work with all Mac Pros made before the Jan 08 update. I don't have any experience with those apps, but it should make them run better. Definitely can't hurt considering the 7300 only has 256MB vRAM.
 
Also, when the value of the dollar was very high and they still maintained the 1:1 ratio that would actually be a very good exchange rate for non-US people.

No, because the dollar has never been valued as high as the euro or the pound.
Currently 1 pound is worth more than 2 dollars, i.e. 100% more.
 
No, because the dollar has never been valued as high as the euro or the pound.
Currently 1 pound is worth more than 2 dollars, i.e. 100% more.

As an aside, measuring the dollar against the pound doesn't really convey just how badly it's currently doing. One also has to factor in the beating that the pound is receiving against other currencies, particularly the euro. Not so long ago, we could get around $1.60 or €1.60 to the pound. Now, although we're getting around $1.95, we're only getting around €1.25.

On the bright side, maybe I'll be skiing in Colorado next year! :cool:

*edit* BREAKING NEWS!

It's actually dropped in price by £50 since January. This also applies to the early 2008 card.
:eek: and also :eek:
 
I use my computer primarily for Aperture but also do some gaming and want a QUIETER and faster card.

Somewhere else someone posted that this card is pretty noisy. Looking at it being a single-slot solution (which is not required in a MacPro btw. as Apple thankfully designed the first PCI Express slot double-wide, so you can put a double-slot card in there without restraining other slots) this might well be the case.

As i was looking for a nearly-silent card as well i opted for the limited edition of the MSI 7900 GTO. That card offers nearly the performance of the former flagship 7900GTX (for a - back then - much lower price) while keeping the whisper-silent cooling system of the 7900 GTX. It's only available used these days and you better watch out as many owners tried to overclock it...

All that was needed was a modified kext and a simple change of the card BIOS (google for NVinject, or NATIT / TITAN, with NVinject doing the necessary actions automagically). I'm using this card together with the factory standard 7300GT plugged in slot 4. Each one drives one monitor (had no luck connecting a third monitor though - was being recognized as 640x480 only without showing a picture or not recognized at all).

With the 7900GTO i can play WoW (has been asked here for) at 1920x1200, all settings maxed out, around 30-40 fps in the "new" world and around 60+ fps in the "old" world. I do notice a short slowdown sometimes, caused by the comparably slow harddrive access when changing locations by porting (a harddisc raid setup might help there).

Under Tiger (10.4.11, switch to Leopard procrastinated) daily work is smooth, QuartzExtreme with all the Core effects works flawlessly and even though i have to drive my old 23" with an analog VGA signal to make full use of the 1920x1200 screen (DVI only allows for up to 1600x1200 on that old monitor) the picture quality is still very impressive (i noticed that many cheap graphic cards today offer a sub-par image quality above 1024x768 when using analog).

One "drawback" is that the card gets initialized properly only after the system has started to boot. That's one reason why i kept the 7300 in there, as one would otherwise have no startup screen in case it's needed (the Login-Screen is visible on the 7900, no problem there).

Ah yes - another annoyance is to get the proper power supply cable for that video card, as Apple opted for an unusual micro-connector on the motherboard end (means a "standard" cable does not fit), so you have to find a dealer that orders you that special cable as a spare part from Apple (normally it is not available for a normal purchase), which causes you to pay a premium!

I don't regret it however, as the card has lots of horsepower and is absolutely not audible (in opposite to e.g. that infamous X1900...). And back then there was no real choice amongst silent cards in the MacPro.
 
So it's fine for Apple to pocket an extra $80 when they sell one of these in the UK because they've always overcharged for stuff over here. Riiiiiiight.

Actually they make more than an extra $80! This is the same problem that I have with Adobe as well (except that Adobe often charge double again).

If something costs $200 in the US, and then Apple sells the same thing in the UK for £200, then we have to remember that Apple is a US company that makes their money in US Dollars.

So, when £200 is converted to Dollars the result, at the current exchange rate is just about $400!! This means that on a $200 product if they sold it Dollar for Pound in the UK they would actually make a 200% profit!
 
Wow!

I am quite surprise at the discomfort to many that this new option for us gen 1 MacPro have in the GPU arena.

I am quite content to get this, and I am glad that the Emails to the media and Apple have paid off to some of us who cared about a viable solution for running OSS and Pro Apps. I know gamer are happy as well, but to see some complain now that the card is out?

C'on, NVIDIA is doing a marketing hype to get the Windowz gamer to shell out more money for cards that all they do is over clock them and/or put two card wrapped in a technical package with marginal gains.

For me, I bought it yesterday as soon as I found it on the Apple Store. I can now have a stable system where I can have all my monitors running and again I can gain my productivity when I run my batches. The more content I create, the more viable my business is. And for that, in a year or two (my system is only months old) I will invest in Apple again with a greater degree of confidence that I could have had just 2 days ago!

To all that bashed our cause to get this card... and thought that we would never gain anything... well I never did understand the reason for your behavior nor the ones that now ask for the 9xxx instead. I see that many don't even own a MP:confused:

I hereby send a thank you to all that stood the punishment and at time humiliation of sitting on this... we are all well compensated. :D:D:D:D:D
 
Holy cow, the card's just come up on the UK store and its only £170! link

The standard card's dropped in price too. This means that after HE discount I could potentially get this card for £146. If I sell the two 7300GTs I have at the moment for £30 each then it'll only be about £85. Sweet.
 
Not far off - looks like it's £220.
Taking into account VAT and import duty, that's a 50 quid premium... :mad:
Jim

But today the price is £170 :confused:

That's more like it... :D

Jim

Edited to add: Whoops, should have read most recent post first - good spot Spanky...
 
I told myself I wouldn't buy this since I don't do much serious gaming at all.

Made it about 30 minutes.

Card is on its way :D
 
so can i have a x1900 and 8800gt at the same time in my system?

In my early 08 Mac Pro I was able to place my 8800 GT in any slot I wanted in and left the stock card Apple shipped where it was and both work fine. I run Apple's Pro Apps and have had no issues spanning two screens, in my case my original 23" Cinema Display and now off the 8800 the 30" Cinema Display. By the way the rig is whisper quiet. I can hear my cat purr.
 
No that the price is a much more realistic £170, the only thing holding my fingers back from flexing the plastique is the expected performance.

As this puppy is running on PCI Express v1.0 compared with the new macpros, i'm just wondering what it'll do to the framerates wih the slower bus.

Itching for a forthcoming review from barefeats.com.... Get on it guys

M. :D
 
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