I wish I could buy one at retail. The 3090 are going for double or triple their asking price. I’ll be happy with a 3080 to say the least
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Its all on a single package, so whilst it is a GPU it’s entirely customised and you cannot buy it, it’s the CPU and GPU on one chip with unified fast RAM, you cannot compare the parts to off the shelf items.
Here is a good photo of the SOC containing the CPU and GPU in one package:
But it doesn’t change my point that this new Nvidia GeForce Now plan is overpriced.
You are comparing tablet SoC with highest-end desktop graphic. The mobile RTX 3080 has 139k score in OpenCL. If M1 Max comes even close to that, with 100 watts less power, it is an outstanding result for a first ever high-performance mobile SoC from Apple. Apple just sat on the table with Nvidia and AMD. We will see what happens.
It might be quicker in FCP, but gaming is not all about Teraflops. With the Mac, you're also stuck with freemium iOS crappy games.Who wants an NVIDIA RTX 3080 anyway now, when it is slower than a M1 Max?With Apple Metal optimizations it actually might be!
Yes exactly, we can't forget the fact that it's a laptop versus a desktop.
There's components volume/miniaturization as well as thermals that indicate to me that it's OK that the RTX 3080 is 2.25X faster than M1 Max. The 16-inch MBP is as powerful as a PlayStation 5, with a much smaller chassis, most likely better thermals, and with a screen and keyboard and trackpad and camera, all of which the PS5 doesn't have.
I would be disappointed though if the Mac Pro cannot surpass these scores and gain the crown.
Yes. And the M1 Max is a custom built SOC with built in graphics chips. How powerful they are we don't know yet, but arguably quite powerful, with some comparing the most powerful one to the PS5.
I noticed that, but that doesn’t make the Max very powerful then, because the new gen of consoles are being compared to mid range graphics cards from 2020. I think the Max will be more powerful, however… it’ll be hamstrung by Metal and the facts it’s Apple, we will need to see how they help developers use all that power.
Yes and a laptop with a RTX3080 can run Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K 60 plus with full ray tracing, the new gen consoles cannot. That's just an example.
We need to wait to see just how powerful these new Apple chips are. But I won't be surprised if Nvidia are a little worried in the Pro market.
Worried? For what?
Apple has not announced anything in the servers/supercomputers/datacenters field that could compete with Nvidia solutions. In the laptops segments, Nvidia is offering RTX 3060 in sub-1000$ laptops through the OEMs and the next best thing Apple could offer is the M1 Pro which is housed in 2000$ machine that is outside the budget for the vast majority of 1080p gamers. M1 has great GPU performance, but it is still a bit far from 1660Ti/1060/1650-level performance which are of the most popular dedicated GPUs in laptops according to Steam statistics. Then, you have the fact that most of the popular games still dont have native support for Apple Silicon and the performance in terms of fps/stability/settings is at most, just average. Finally, you have RTX 3090 which is still the king in terms of raw performance, and you can even put two RTX 3090 to work together in a single machine.
The new MBPs are great for the on-the-go pro workflow and have incredible efficiency, but most GPUs sold worldwide are mainly used for gaming, and Nvidia (and AMD) currently offers the best value in terms of fps per $.
I see you have jumped in here and confused my comment a little.
My comparison with gaming cards was only to highlight the differences if PC graphics cards and the new generation of games consoles, as that relates to Apples claims of the new MacBooks being as powerful as the PS5.
I didn't mention graphics cards for gaming in the wider scope at all, hence my comment about Nvidia being worried about the 'pro' market, not the games market. As in pro laptops, the new MacBook Pro's could seriously outperform a quadro equipped laptop or even a gaming laptop used for professional work, because of its efficiency as you say, they may be much cooler and have much longer battery life and have equal or better performance in the same tasks.
Also I do doubt the majority of PC GPU cards are sold for gaming.
Plenty of pre-built PC's aren't used for gaming with those cards.
Depends on what you call great value. A Xbox Series X costs $499 and you can play games at 4K resolution and games are optimized for that platform.
Quadro equiped laptops are niche products. You are talking about Dell Precision series or Lenovo ThinkPad/Workstation which have limited target public and therefore do not generate tons of sales (even if the margins are higher). The vast majority of laptop sales come from ultrabooks, 2 in 1 solutions and gaming laptops series of all major OEMs. Even for Apple, Im pretty sure that the MBA/entry-level MBP outsell the bigger, more expensive MBPs by a factor of 10 or more. If you dont think that the majority of PC GPU cards are sold for gaming, just watch any Nvidia/AMD new card presentation video and check for yourself the amount of time they dedicate talking about fps and gaming performance and what part of the presentation is dedicated to pro workflow performance. You may be surprised. AMD/Nvidia know their public and for what their cards are most used and virtually all PC OEMs have gaming series laptops in their portfolio. Apple tries to ignores this reality and instead focus on production workflow when the majority of the market is in the consumer segment.
Doubt that would matter, even eGPU which I'd prefer may not matter. IF using a cloud service to game which supports low latency and 120 fps supported on MacOS and macs then this may be the way.