Ah, come on man! The Almighty Steve can do ANYTHING. Stop that blasphemy and join the chosen few at the Church of Apple. You must have faith that Steve will deliver the chips to the chosen few.
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NVIDIA Exiting Chipset Business Pending Resolution of Licensing Dispute With Intel
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I hope all of you understand where we're all coming from... Apple to begin with has been always offering SUB-PAR graphic power and performance on its machines.
This move may either help Apple to migrate to some proper GOOD ATI chips (which as we know work better with MAC OS) or just hurt them (I see them offering the 9400m 2 years from now just like they did in the mac mini with the GMA950 - a slap in the face!).
This or that way I'm sure Apple will reac somehow. They have to as the REAL performance inhibitor in the Mac machines is...the good old graphic processor.
And yes, I don't see anything wrong in expecting from Apple quality products with...quality parts in them.
This move may either help Apple to migrate to some proper GOOD ATI chips (which as we know work better with MAC OS) or just hurt them (I see them offering the 9400m 2 years from now just like they did in the mac mini with the GMA950 - a slap in the face!).
This or that way I'm sure Apple will reac somehow. They have to as the REAL performance inhibitor in the Mac machines is...the good old graphic processor.
And yes, I don't see anything wrong in expecting from Apple quality products with...quality parts in them.
Or they'll just offer ION2, which nVidia will still be shipping once it's ready. It's twice as fast as the 9400m. They are getting out of the chipset business, but they aren't scrapping their last project.
And I don't know if I'd put ATI and GOOD in the same sentence, but having run Linux for the last 10 years probably means I'm a bit biased.
You are just incapable of accepting the fact that your beloved Apple is responsible for something bad.
A link to download drivers. And that proves what exactly?
A link to Slashdot-discussion, proving what?
Besides, all your other comments in this discussion (and just about every discussion you take part in) are dumb, fanboyism-filled drivel. Apple creating their own GPU's that will take the industry by storm.... Not in a million years. They simply do not have the skills, knowhow or the capabilities to pull something like that off. Not in a million years.
ION 2 is a fine solution until you hit the MacBook Pro/iMac. You'll definitely want to see Nehalem/Westmere there.
A Mac mini with a 32 shader ION 2 would be tempting even for me! Refurbished of course.
I'm considering a mini as well, just to have around as a second or third "OS X station." Of course, with these rumors flying around, I'm hesitating on ordering one as many others probably are as well.
I have enough secondary computers laying around. There's a P45 based system ripe for turning into a hackintosh as well.I'm considering a mini as well, just to have around as a second or third "OS X station." Of course, with these rumors flying around, I'm hesitating on ordering one as many others probably are as well.
Well, the links just prove that Apple does NOT create the drivers...this was the only point I wanted to make.
As for the rest of your vacuous statements, they are as prescient as those that said that the iPod would flop, that Apple would never make a phone, that mouses are ineffective input devices and so on.
Moreover, to say that Apple doesn't have the capacity to do something chip-related is to give a slap in the face of the company's board when they bought PA Semi...you "pundits" have no clue whatsoever, that's all I can say.
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Clearly, you don't understand sarcasm or when someone's being facetious, even if they have a happy face at the end (shakes head).
Exactly!
I'm not sure what everyone is making a big deal about. There seems to be some misunderstanding that NVIDIA is dying or going to stop designing & licensing graphics chips -- which doesn't seem to be the case (note to anyone else reading this post, I didn't say chipsets, I said chips).
It is a big deal because Apple placed nVidia's MCP79A chipset as the cornerstone of their hardware platform and pushed the OpenCL/h.264 decoding/3D gaming aspects very hard in the marketing. This is besides the fact that it cuts down on the chips needed on the board for the north and southbridges under Core 2.
I guess it's back to Intel or HOORAY more Core 2 based systems for eternity.
It is a big deal because Apple placed nVidia's MCP79A chipset as the cornerstone of their hardware platform and pushed the OpenCL/h.264 decoding/3D gaming aspects very hard in the marketing. This is besides the fact that it cuts down on the chips needed on the board for the north and southbridges under Core 2.
I guess it's back to Intel or HOORAY more Core 2 based systems for eternity.
I don't know, theres always AMD/ATi. AMD make some pretty good energy efficient chips. Plus the Phenom 2 tech Out Performs the Core 2 Duo tech. Maybe thats why there is a "shortage" of Macs because they're changing to a different platform. (Cold hard speculation)
"Marvin" has already shown that it takes a simple CPUID decrypt to get it working on AMD processors.
Moving from Core 2 to Phenom II doesn't make any sense. There isn't a mobile platform either.
Intel already shot itself in the foot by launch Nehalem/X58 to the consumer space vs. Core 2 Quad and they nearly killed off the lower end Bloomfields with Lynnfield.
Clarksfield is here today but you have to provide discrete solutions. Apple doesn't have anything to move forward onto Nehalem/Westmere using nVidia.
How wouldn't it make sense?
They don't have to use Laptop Processors in the iMac/Mini as the eXXXXX are already 45w. There are Turion IIs BTW. AMD is also working on the integrated GPU/CPU and they don't have to put up with stupid licensing issues.
Apple has shocked the world before, like the switch to Intel.
The Mac mini has always used the T Series or now the P Series.
The iMac is using the strange E8x35 series right now. It has shown up on Intel's CPU official CPU listings for mobile components.
Turion II just came out and AMD has been languishing on the mobile front for years now.
Llano is too far off as well. We're stuck with the K10.5 until 2011.
Its just cold hard speculation, Geez. Plus, hey probably had to use Mobile Processors because Intel cant make a 45w desktop processor to save their own hides. We use the eXXXXs at work, they're passively cooled. They perform Nicely, but then its just an Office so theres no comparison. Its not like Office uses a lot of cycles. Ot, were changing to a custom Fedora 10 soon any way so we could be running Athlon 64/754 and we wouldn't notice.
Well it might work against some people but not against me.
How about Apple can't make an affordable desktop that uses processors binned to the desktop segment?
Is Apple selling netbooks now and $300 towers?
The Inspiron 546 has HDMI out you know.
Well it might work against some people but not against me.
How about Apple can't make an affordable desktop that uses processors binned to the desktop segment?
Is Apple selling netbooks now and $300 towers?
The Inspiron 546 has HDMI out you know.
WTF is up with that last statement?
XD, Yea. Apple can't make an affordable computer if their life depended on it. They'd just go, "Oh, CPUs cost $1k each now, Hurr Hurr"
Well it was coldhard speculation, if you deny that you're my avatar.
Sadly I don't have a console gaming peasant image macro handy on this computer.
Apple is selling high margin, "premium" computer hardware. I don't see a reason to talk about how low you can go.
Why bring this up then?
Time for an Atom netbook from Apple? The MCP79A lifted the majority of Apple's hardware out of the Intel GMA slums and now there's nowhere to go unless you want another round of Core 2, again. Where is Apple going to slap in a discrete video solution in the new, thinner notebooks?
It's all built around the MCP79A being IGP, northbridge, and southbridge. ION2 extends the life but paying for Core 2 in a $1,200 desktop is a complete joke when the Core i5 750 runs for $700 on the tower.
The same goes for the Studio 15 sporting a Clarksfield at $999.
Why bring this up then?
Time for an Atom netbook from Apple? The MCP79A lifted the majority of Apple's hardware out of the Intel GMA slums and now there's nowhere to go unless you want another round of Core 2, again. Where is Apple going to slap in a discrete video solution in the new, thinner notebooks?
It's all built around the MCP79A being IGP, northbridge, and southbridge. ION2 extends the life but paying for Core 2 in a $1,200 desktop is a complete joke when the Core i5 750 runs for $700 on the tower.
The same goes for the Studio 15 sporting a Clarkssfield at $999.
OK... thats nice. I was never going on bout that.
You do realize that I ended up repeating myself the entire time, right?
Everything started in Post #213 and ended back again at the points that I made in that post. Wandering off to AMD/ATI didn't get anywhere.
Apple is in a very tough spot since MCP79A powers everything short of the Mac Pro. There's no future successor for it on Nehalem/Westmere.