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I don't know if it's just me, but after getting this update, both Safari and FireFox crashes with flash contents...

It crashes when I either pause the flash or the flash content finished itself...

Weird enough, it does not happen on YouTube.. But did happen for CineMassacre videos and stuff along those lines....

ugh =_=
 
Odd that it still shows up here: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/firmware_hardware/nvidiagraphicsupdate2009.html and http://supportdownload.apple.com/do...5914.20090126.4lw4r/GraphicsUpdate2009001.dmg. Yet all knowledgebase articles are removed, along with the download URL present in the original news post.

I still have yet to understand why standard operating procedure at Apple seems to be "conceal, bury, destroy" when it comes to updating software, and changes related to that software. I suppose if user complaints can be "concealed, buried and destroyed" why shouldn't modifications to faulty updates?

EDIT: Well, at least they were consistent in removing that page.
 
How strange that they have completely "disappeared" this update. At least I got it while it was out there. It seems to work perfectly fine on my 8600M GT after I manually installed the proper .kext files. Since I don't have the infamous "DisplayPort" connection, I guess I am not affected by the bug that prompted Apple to bury the truth and deny everything faster than Karl Rove at a congressional hearing.
 
hmmm am i suppose to see this update in Software Update at all? as im not receiving the notification...and i havent updated these systems since i applied 10.5.6 combo a few weeks back.

Im running a MacPro w/ 8800GT (early 2008)

and a Mid-2007 MacBookPro Santa Rosa 2.2 w/ 8600GT
 
new unibody MBP...

Applied the update the day it came out, and since then I've had horrible graphics performance playing Spore (under MacOS - I don't use bootcamp.) In some cases, I'm getting an estimated 2 frames per second using the 9600 chip with all graphics settings at "medium." Before the update, I had graphical settings all at "high", and while I did hit areas that slowed down, never did they get quite this bad.

I called apple to complain... and ask if there was any way to revert the machine back to what it was before the update. The short answer was: We know there's a problem, but you personally are screwed as we aren't giving you a way to go back.

I used to hear such wonderful things about Apple... the machines "just work" and raves about their customer service. My experience so far has been that the machines are no more reliable (and sometimes less reliable) than higher end Windoze machines, and the customer service is actually worse than many PC companies... (in particular, IBM/Lenovo)
 
and the customer service is actually worse than many PC companies... (in particular, IBM/Lenovo)

I have been getting stellar service out of HP for the last year or so with our HP machines. Even replaced stuff I've damaged without any complaint at all.

On the other hand, I've gotten zero support from Apple over the last 5 years. Even stuff that arrived damaged was declined repair because they said it was "cosmetic" and they don't cover cosmetic issues.

With HP, my only complaint is that it's hard to understand the foreign accents. But, at least they go out of their way to help me and are patient with me when I ask them to repeat until I understand them.

With Apple, I can usually understand them. But, it doesn't do me any good if they either will not or cannot resolve the problem.

With HP, absolutely no call I've made has gone unresolved. With Apple, every issue I've called them about has been left unresolved no matter how persistent I've been.

Fortunately, I've managed to find ways (via the Internet) to resolve my technical issues. And, the local independent dealers have helped to resolve my machine's physical defects (even though Apple had already declined the repair).

Good thing the local shops can just do it and send Apple the bill themselves (I sure am glad that my local Apple dealers are not owned by Apple).

With HP, I've called them having damaged an $80 part myself (well actually my kid did it). And, they sent out a replacement without any question or charge.

And, anytime I've had a software issue with HP's machines, they've sent me anything I needed (at their expense) to correct it (like CD's with what I needed on them).

I don't know how it is that Apple gets these high ratings for customer service, quality, and support. I've found them to be absolutely useless when you need something. I find that the user needs more technical ability to survive with a Mac because Apple's techs either cannot or will not help me.

At least with PC's, I've never had a question go unresolved. HP automatically escalates issues up the line while I'm on the phone. And, I get an answer to any situation before I hang up.

Apple has constantly put me through the waiting game, waiting for call backs, waiting for them to figure things out, waiting for authorizations, and so on. And, they've always left it unresolved.

On one call, I even got a fight when I asked to be escalated to a person with more authority to resolve the issue. They actually told me that they don't have any supervisors at Apple. I told them someone surely must sign their checks and be able to fire them. So, surely there's a supervisor somewhere.
 
I've dealt with HP, Dell, Toshiba, Fujitsu, IBM (Thinkpads and server equipment including blades), Lenovo (Thinkpads), Acer, and of course Apple. The service at each of these companies will vary depending on who you talk to and what product you've purchased from them.

HP is one of the best in terms of outsourced support. Their people tend to try to help, but you can tell the people you're talking to aren't in the USA. The biggest problem I've had with HP is bad design when it comes to server equipment. We just can't have servers go down that often.

Dell is just.. bad. We've purchased off-lease hardware such as notebooks only to be told the warranty wasn't valid because the hardware was registered to someone else. Our solicitor quickly cleared that up with a letter to Dell, but it shouldn't even be necessary in the first place.

Apple has been the best and the most responsive. The repairs aren't always completed properly and technical support can be bothersome sometimes to mention some of the problems. The real golden rule with Apple is that you can get it resolved with escalation and a couple of additional phone calls. ;)
 
Apple has been the best and the most responsive. The repairs aren't always completed properly and technical support can be bothersome sometimes to mention some of the problems. The real golden rule with Apple is that you can get it resolved with escalation and a couple of additional phone calls. ;)
Reading over what I posted, I should apologize - I didn't mean to come off bashing Apple support. My expectations where high to begin with, but the reality has been mediocre. If Dell or Acer were to give me the same level as Apple has, I'd probably be happy.

However, I paid a hefty premium for Apple notebooks, and I think I have a right to expect top tier support as part of that premium.

I downloaded and installed something from Apple's own "Software Update." Instead of fixing a problem for me, it has created additional problems. Apple has even seen *something* is wrong with the update as they pulled it. Them pulling the update, however, doesn't do anything to fix the new problems it causes. In effect, their update has rendered my MBP a functional equivalent to a machine costing $500 less (unibody MB - as the 9600 chip now is a worse graphics performer than the integrated 9400.)

I'm SURE Apple is working on a fix... though its anybodies guess when that fix will come out. It might be Monday morning. It might be sometime in March. Apple isn't exactly forthcoming with information. What Apple (or any company that prides itself on customer satisfaction) should have done was to post a KB article of some kind on their website with a link to a disk image that people like myself could install that undoes the change the bad update put in.

Apparently, this was (in addition to drivers) a firmware update - meaning I can't reinstall the OS to make the problem go away... There's no way to "undo" a firmware update short of updating it again.

In the past, I had a similar situation with a firmware update on my Thinkpad T60. In that case, Lenovo/IBM also pulled the bad firmware. However, unlike Apple, they had available the previous version of the firmware that any customer could download and install. Apple is acting as if they didn't even post the bad update... they just pulled it, shoved their fingers in their ears, and starting chanting "la-la-la" Talking to Apple's tech support about this issue is like trying to convince my 3 year old son to eat his string beans....
 
pulled it, shoved their fingers in their ears, and starting chanting "la-la-la" Talking to Apple's tech support about this issue is like trying to convince my 3 year old son to eat his string beans....

Except you can always open their mouth and shove it in. Haven't yet found a way to get satisfaction out of Apple (other than sitting and waiting and hoping that some future update might fix the issue - assuming it's software).

Unfortunately, while I can out-wait a 3-year old (have lots of experience there), Apple usually out-waits me. On my last several hardware issues, Apple has only admitted fault, agreed to fix the issues, and taken responsibility 1 to 3 years after I gave up on the machine and dumped it (for hardware issues that they refused to fix previously).

My most recent issue with them was with movies I purchased not playing (iTunes couldn't authorize them - thanks to DRM protection).

I paid good money for those movies. I went through every article on the Internet trying to find a solution. I contacted Apple, and all they did was direct me to the same articles. To humor them, I tried all the same things over again (hoping that it would just work that time). Still wouldn't work.

So, there I sit with a few hundred dollars of videos that iTunes will not authorize to play. And, no solution from Apple (who is responsible for the DRM being in the videos to start with).

But, no matter what, the iTunes store wouldn't authorize my machine to play the movies.

In the end, they had no solution that worked. But, they invited me to call their support team on the phone and pay the per call fee.

I gave up. I'm not paying them to still tell me they don't know. I went through all the levels of free support. But, no resolution from Apple. Well, there was one resolution... My wife's Windows PC would authenticate :D

What I believe happened, is that one of the recent software updates made something go "wonky" (yes a technical term). Because I had recently had updates to my system from Apple, and after a few weeks of fighting the computer, and Apple, and getting nowhere, Software update found a new batch of updates. I went ahead and ran it, and then suddenly my machine would authenticate and play my movies again.

To this point, the only reason I've stayed with OS X and Mac's has been the video features in iLife. But, I suppose that's coming to an end. I haven't been pleased with iLife '08 at all. And, don't plan to upgrade to iLife '09. I'm still using iMovie HD 6 (since it actually does what I want).

So, most likely I'll be keeping a machine set up with whatever will run iMovie 6 and iDVD. Probably lost most incentive to buy new (Apple) machines now since I won't feel compelled to keep up with the system requirements for iLife's future updates.

Aside from iLife, a Windows PC can meet all my needs. So, Macs might get relegated to a corner and single purpose if Apple doesn't bring back the style and workflow style of iMovie HD 6.

I've been using Macs primarily just because it made sense to just use my video machine as my main machine (consolidation). But, with my many Apple issues of late, and the software going a different (and not so great) direction, I'm feeling less compelled. So, this may be the last Mac I buy. I'll keep using it, but when it's day comes, I may not be as stuck on Apple as I once was.

iMovie pretty much had me locked into Macs through version 6. It made a Mac an absolute must have for me. But, since iLife '08, I'm not so excited about iLife. I just keep using the old software, and for that, and older machine is just fine.
 
I'm wondering how threads always tend to steer towards conversations about the support.
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I never noticed anything about the cursor that needed improvement either.:confused:
 
...an update...

Got a call back from Apple... they claimed that the graphics update that was sent out did NOT include a firmware update after all, and that I should be able to revert by re-installing the OS.

Being that I don't WANT to reinstall the OS (again) (and that I intend to reinstall the OS again Thursday when my new 500GB 7200rpm 7200.4 is delivered), I'm taking a slightly different course of action:

I have a hard drive that I had plugged into this machine a week ago and done a completely clean install of 10.5.5 (from this machine's install disc) and updated to 10.5.6. That drive has no other updates (or software) on it. So....

Using one of the links found in this thread, I downloaded the .dmg file that contained the update. Using pkgutil and lsbom utils, I discovered all the files that this update installed on the machine. Then I plugged that "clean install" HDD into a USB reader (I have one of those USB things that you can drop any SATA drive into with ease) and replaced every directory from /System/Library/Extensions that the pkg installed (replaced from the clean install hdd.)

For those interested, the pkg installs/overwrites the following extensions from the above mentioned directory:

AppleGraphicsPowerManagement.kext
NVDANV10Hal.kext
NVDANV20Hal.kext
NVDANV30Hal.kext
NVDANV40Hal.kext
NVDANV50Hal.kext
NVDAResman.kext


I haven't yet rebooted with the extensions reverted... I figured I'd post this before rebooting. If you don't see a reply from me saying everything worked, then don't try this at home. ;)
 
Got a call back from Apple... they claimed that the graphics update that was sent out did NOT include a firmware update after all, and that I should be able to revert by re-installing the OS.

Being that I don't WANT to reinstall the OS (again) (and that I intend to reinstall the OS again Thursday when my new 500GB 7200rpm 7200.4 is delivered), I'm taking a slightly different course of action:

I have a hard drive that I had plugged into this machine a week ago and done a completely clean install of 10.5.5 (from this machine's install disc) and updated to 10.5.6. That drive has no other updates (or software) on it. So....

Using one of the links found in this thread, I downloaded the .dmg file that contained the update. Using pkgutil and lsbom utils, I discovered all the files that this update installed on the machine. Then I plugged that "clean install" HDD into a USB reader (I have one of those USB things that you can drop any SATA drive into with ease) and replaced every directory from /System/Library/Extensions that the pkg installed (replaced from the clean install hdd.)

For those interested, the pkg installs/overwrites the following extensions from the above mentioned directory:

AppleGraphicsPowerManagement.kext
NVDANV10Hal.kext
NVDANV20Hal.kext
NVDANV30Hal.kext
NVDANV40Hal.kext
NVDANV50Hal.kext
NVDAResman.kext


I haven't yet rebooted with the extensions reverted... I figured I'd post this before rebooting. If you don't see a reply from me saying everything worked, then don't try this at home. ;)

Yeah, I hate reinstalling. Been through it a lot this last 6 months with my Mac. I've currently got 3 backups going since I haven't yet made it through a completely finalized re-install before having to re-install again.

So, when I finally get my system fully re-installed with all my various programs (and hopefully without having to re-install again), I'll pull through those last 3 backups and try and pull all my various video projects back in to my final install.

Been a bit of a pain.

To this point, I've just been using the machine in a functional state with my daily stuff on it. When I get time, I'll go through and put everything that I use (even the less frequent stuff) back on.

I wish Apple had a simple method of just stepping back one step. Windows does this really easily. My wife's machine didn't like an update we installed. So, we just went into the Windows restore feature. Picked the line that was made before the update, and clicked restore. Within about 5 minutes, we were completely back up and running like nothing happened.

Windows logs all the changes you make to your system. And, it puts a date and time entry next to all of them. So, if you have stuff that starts acting weird, you just pick the date and time before you installed that update. And, to make it easy, right next to the date and time, Windows tells you what changes were made for that entry. Nice and simple.

I'm tired of re-installing OS X all the time just because one update makes everything go weird.

Fortunately, this last time around, I procrastinated enough that Apple eventually released an update that fixed everything I had issues with at that moment.

Since applying the new video update, I have noticed one weird system behavior. I have dual monitors on my Mac Pro. And, when the system is in sleep mode, the monitors go into a sleep mode and conserve energy (nearly off).

Well, since the new graphics update, my monitors now take turns waking up flashing, and then going back to sleep. One monitor does it, then goes to sleep again, then the other monitor does it and goes to sleep again.

So, when everything is off at night, it looks like a strobe going in the living room.

I'm not concerned enough about this one to re-install. I can always just turn the monitors off. But, we'll see if Apple's repaired update fixes this new behavior. Hopefully they'll get around to a stable update sometime soon.
 
Reverting the kernel extensions mentioned in my previous post worked perfectly. Not only did the machine reboot properly, but I was able to switch back and forth between "performance" and "energy saver" with no problem, and when using the 9600 chip, Spore once again performs like a champ.

Also, it seems Safari is somehow faster as well. (j/k)

So... what would have been the big deal for apple to throw together an update that put these kext directories back the way they were?
 
So... what would have been the big deal for apple to throw together an update that put these kext directories back the way they were?

That would be admittance I guess... :p

Haven't heard Apple admitting they've done something wrong... yet! (nVidia themselves admitted there were problems with the 8600GT chips. Apple just relayed the info, sorta.)

/Cm.
 
This one is certainly a puzzler. The kernel extensions from the now-clandestine update still work perfectly on my penryn/8600M MBP, I just had to manually install them. Aside from that, everything is fine: Quartz Extreme, QuartzGL/2D and a more consistent 1080p video frame-rate (always at 24fps after the update) with slightly lower CPU use.
 
I really hope the update will be back as a fixed version, soon. I have the HD video playback problem with the NVIDIA and really want to fix this. However, as I also use an external monitor and read about all the problems, I kept my hands from the original update. Hopefully, Apple will not let this update disappear completely ...?!?
 
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