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Nvidia on Its Lack of macOS Mojave Drivers for Newer Graphics Cards: 'It's Up to Apple to Approve Them'
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Against Apple for selling a product (MacBook Pro with integrated video card by Nvidia) that they refuse to allow a driver to be created for. Let it go to discoveries where it is shown that this a political pissing contest by Apple, and then see how that plays before a judge and jury.
"And now, in 2019, there aren't any functional drivers for modern cards in Mojave at all. In October of 2018, Nvidia issued a public statement stating that Apple fully controls drivers for macOS and that they can't release a driver unless it's approved by Apple.
Basically, there's no giant technical limitation that causes macOS Mojave to be incompatible with Nvidia graphics cards. Someone at Apple simply doesn’t want to support Nvidia drivers, possibly because of relational issues from the past."
from - appleinsider.com/articles/19/02/14/video-nvidia-support-was-abandoned-in-macos-mojave-and-heres-why
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This statement is not completely factual-there are functional driver's and API's. There isn't any CUDA acceleration in Mojave-and most of those complaints are for Maxwell and Pascal chipped cards; Kepler's are supported and I use acceleration daily with the native macOS driver. I feel the frustration, but most juries wouldn't be able to distinguish the API's let alone understand the politics involved beyond it's a pissing match. Apple's API's of choice is not CUDA though-it's Metal, from what I can tell; and it works fairly well, but High Sierra was far more buttery for sure. It's the power-saving feature that limits frame-rates giving a choppy effect in Mojave periodically, and takes a micro-second to kick the frame rates up from idle's 1 FPS (reported by iStat).
Litigation is for those that find value in it-and there's already plenty of bad blood in the water between those two. I can vote cheaper and easier by buying another computer spec'd the way I want. Maybe a Production House with 200 machines might feel differently, but they aren't as likely to be using those mid-level machines.
Also, an integrated GPU is the one located on the CPU-a dedicated GPU is a secondary co-processor, such as the GTX 7XX's, 9XX's, 1XXX's.
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Apple includes a driver with the operating system for the GPU that's in the computer and they're under no legal obligation to allow Nvidia to create a different driver.
I think a jury might find otherwise, and a class action suit would seem to be the only language that they will respond to with any seriousness. Otherwise, the consumer who purchased their product in good faith is left hanging in the wind. It is a blunt tool, but it is the only one in our tool chest to perhaps affect change. The only way to find out would be to see if an attorney would be willing to take it forward. No doubt there are millions of owners with Nvidia cards integrated into their laptops who would benefit if the suit brought Nvidia and Apple together. Yes, in the scheme of things a few hundred million in settlements distributed over laptop owners would barely register on the Apple income statement, but it may send a message that consumers are stakeholders who should not be ignored.
Otherwise we sit back and just suck it up, because they can do whatever they want.
Apple includes Kepler drivers in Mojave. Macs that they sold with Nvidia cards are working in Mojave. They've fulfilled their responsibility.
I have not seen any evidence other than that one statement from the Nvidia employee about them not being able to release drivers "unless it's approved by Apple" which makes no sense. Apple has no power or influence over Nvidia. Why would Nvidia appease or comply with such a request from Apple at the expense of jeopardizing their relationship with their customers? If I were running Nvidia and Apple told me I can't release Mojave drivers, I'd tell them to go @#$% themselves.
Apple obviously hasn't revoked Nvidia's developer ID because Nvidia is still able to sign drivers for High Sierra. Nvidia continues to put out updated drivers for High Sierra.
I think it's Nvidia who simply doesn't have any Metal 2 compliant drivers ready and, therefore, has no Mojave drivers to release. If you are going to sue anyone, I think Nvidia holds far more responsibility for abandoning customers who bought their video cards. Unfortunately, support for Pascal has always be considered "beta" by Nvidia. That means that people who bought Pascal cards for use in Macs did so with the understanding that the drivers may not work right or at all.
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I don't think anyone outside of Apple and nVidia, much less the folks running Macrumors, knows the answer to that. If they did, they'd publish it.
It's a frustrating answer, but I think it's the only one that is of any use.
Many of us - myself included - are chomping at the bit to pick up one of these RTX cards, but won't because it doesn't run in macOS.
agreed ... the is a temporary solution though ... stick with nvidia 10 series and web drivers and 10.13 high sierra. Or just avoid MacOS completely.
I'm going to try using my Razer eGPU and Vega 64 in Windows soon. If that works, I might try an nVidia card in there and pray that it works for CUDA based render engines.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mojave-hybrid-amd-nvidia-dual-gpu-success.2173498/
Not sure of your application, but I'm running a 770/580 combo since finishing my Pixlas mod last night; my limitations are listed in the first post. I've thought about going with separate GPU's for OS's too, but this has been my own compromise.
Mojave and the GPU's limitations have been frustrating to say the least-LOL. I would have much rather a newer GTX upgrade for the sheer power of PhysX and telemetry, personally.
Not sure of your application, but I'm running a 770/580 combo since finishing my Pixlas mod last night; my limitations are listed in the first post. I've thought about going with separate GPU's for OS's too, but this has been my own compromise.
Mojave and the GPU's limitations have been frustrating to say the least-LOL. I would have much rather a newer GTX upgrade for the sheer power of PhysX and telemetry, personally.
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I'm hoping that Windows in bootcamp recognizes my Vega 64 in my eGPU. If it does, I may get two eGPUs stocked with 2080 ti's for GPU bound CUDA rendering.
If it doesn't, I may stick with an Open GL based renderer in Windows. There is a real time render engine for cinema 4d that only works in Windows (because it needs the latest Open GL), and it very well might save me huge amounts of time if I just render in windows and work on the Mac before the rendering phase.
Basically, I might turn my iMac into a windows machine when I need to do 3d.
If it doesn't, I may stick with an Open GL based renderer in Windows. There is a real time render engine for cinema 4d that only works in Windows (because it needs the latest Open GL), and it very well might save me huge amounts of time if I just render in windows and work on the Mac before the rendering phase.
Basically, I might turn my iMac into a windows machine when I need to do 3d.
Sadly, that's what it's going to come to for those of us who use Redshift or other GPU render engines that rely on CUDA. My first Mac was an old Performa 600 (I know I'm dating myself here) and have had many many since.
We currently have 4 Macs in our household but I'll be buying a Windows box for my next video/3D workstation as Apple doesn't allow me to use the hardware I need. I like Mac OS a lot but not enough to let Apple sell me a 'pro' machine that I can't update to run the latest hardware necessary for my applications.