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Nvidia on Its Lack of macOS Mojave Drivers for Newer Graphics Cards: 'It's Up to Apple to Approve Them'
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And that is what I am scared of. What else would take so much damn time? If it was what pros wanted, a new Cheese grater with the latest tech they could have had it out in a few months. We are talking years here. They have to be doing some crazy thermal things for whatever they are building.The Mac Pro you are describing sounds exactly like the new Mac Mini
The cynical part of me believes Apple is over engineering something that Pros don't really want.
The hopeful part of me wonders if Apple is taking a long time to get Metal Running on nVidia GPUs in a really solid way, and bringing nVidia officially on board. Apple claimed they were working with professionals on their workflows and really studying where the bottlenecks are. Some of the "made with iMac pro" commercials were done by shops I know use Octane and Redshift heavily in mac work, two CUDA (nVidia only) based GPU renderers.
If they talked to any animators or 3d artists, they would get an earful about nVidia/CUDA.
My bet? Apple is spending a huge amount of time developing something pros will hate.
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This is exactly what I hope will happen. But then, knowing Apple, there will be drivers for approximately three models sold exclusively at Apple Stores.
Hmm maybe and maybe not AnonMac50'.
I think if NVIDIA would make drivers that support METAL2 it would not be a problem.
But I think NVIDIA developers does not know how to program the METAL2 standard.
They have their CUDA and Apple has METAL2 that should be better than OpenGL anf OpenCL.
If the Quadro 4000 can do DirectX, OpenGL, OpenCL and CUDA,
then I think it also will be able to do METAL2.
Maybe not as fast as the newer card no no, but work anyway.
When it comes it all, it is 0 and I's in transistors isn't it.
Does transistors care if it runs CUDA or METAL2 standard? I don't think so,
it just need some software code.
For Windows NVIDIA makes more or less just one driver with all in one that supports all NVIDIA GPU cards.
Why can't they make one like this for NVIDIA cards for Mojave.
Well I just had enough of NVIDIA as a Mac user.
And the Radeon GPUs are quite powerful enough for most work anyway these days.
Anyways I am looking very much forward to get my
Sapphire Radeon PULSE RX 580 - 8 GB card soon and the extra power cables needed that I also ordered.
When I going for a new Mac some day, I can use the card as an eGPU.
But it is quite fun/nostalgic to keep the old Cheesescraper going.
PCI-Express SSD storage, Bluetooth 4, Wifi AC, eSATA, 128 GB ram etc...
Peace and Love.
Seeing the new AMD announcements, I have a bad feeling about the Mac Pro. I think it's more likely that Apple is taking so long to launch the Mac Pro because they are waiting for AMD's new 7nm GPU line and support for PCI 4.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...uture-7nm-gpus-with-pcie-4-zen-2-zen-3-zen-4/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...uture-7nm-gpus-with-pcie-4-zen-2-zen-3-zen-4/
You may be right, for GPUs and what makes them tick is not something I understand fully
Nearly six weeks after the release of macOS Mojave, web drivers for Nvidia graphics cards released in 2014 and later remain unavailable for the latest operating system, resulting in compatibility issues. This includes Nvidia graphics cards based on its Maxwell, Pascal, and Turing architecture.
While some customers have expressed frustration towards Nvidia, a spokesperson for the company informed MacRumors that "while we post the drivers, it's up to Apple to approve them," and suggested that we contact Apple. We followed that advice, but Apple has yet to respond to multiple requests for comment.
As a result of the lack of web drivers, external GPUs with an Nvidia graphics card released in 2014 or later have compatibility issues with any Mac running macOS Mojave. Likewise, any Mid 2010 or Mid 2012 Mac Pro upgraded with 2014-or-newer Nvidia graphics is incompatible with the operating system.
Nvidia warns that affected customers who upgrade to macOS Mojave may experience degraded rendering and performance on that version, according to discussions on the Nvidia Developers Forums and MacRumors Forums.
macOS Mojave requires a graphics card that supports Apple's graphics framework Metal, but until updated web drivers are released, many newer Nvidia graphics cards such as the GeForce GTX 1080 are incompatible with the operating system. In the meantime, some users have downgraded back to macOS High Sierra.
Nvidia's Quadro K5000 and GeForce GTX 680 are already Metal-capable and compatible with macOS Mojave, according to an Apple support document.
macOS Mojave is compatible with any MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, iMac, iMac Pro, Mac mini, and Mac Pro released in 2012 or later, in addition to Mid 2010-Mid 2012 models of the Mac Pro with a Metal-capable graphics card.
Nvidia graphics cards based on Kepler architecture, which Apple offered in various Macs between 2012 and 2014, are fully compatible with macOS Mojave. Apple has since switched to AMD as its dedicated graphics card provider.
There is some debate as to whether Apple, Nvidia, or both companies are to blame for the lack of web drivers, which are usually released within a few days after a major macOS release. If we learn any new information, we'll share it.
Article Link: Nvidia on Its Lack of macOS Mojave Drivers for Newer Graphics Cards: 'It's Up to Apple to Approve Them'
I can't imagine Apple would switch to AMD processors right now with all the effort they put into egpu's over thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is Intel tech.
Sorry, I read that wrong.I agree, which is why my post was specifically about AMD GPUs
But that's only valid if you're running Blender in Bootcamp, because Open CL acceleration in Blender in MacOS is totally broken and useless, unfortunately.
I don't care if AMD or Nvidia is better. I just want my built-in Nvidia 650m from my Retina Macbook fully supported, that is, capable of CUDA acceleration on Mojave. I'm even thinking on downgrading to High Sierra.
+1 on this. Apple really needs to check their PR on this one. Hanging existing users out to dry like this is pretty poor given all the grief they got with the whole IOS device battery throttling escapade. Look how they managed to turn that one around by releasing a nicely optimised IOS12 which, lo-and-behold, suddenly makes old devices feel like new again.
It's not difficult, someone just needs to pick up the phone from Apple to make a call to Nvidia and say, "hey, lets just get this running guys". Result - everyone is happy. The Pro community can get back on track with doing what they do best - creating things.
Unfortunately people like Adobe must be laughing their arses off watching users migrate to Windows just so they can get guaranteed CUDA support - I don't see MS cutting off CUDA support any time soon...
MacBook Pro Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013 is on High Sierra and staying that way as long as I'm "allowed" for client purposes. Time is running short, however. May be forced to upgrade to Mojave before end of Q1 2019. Same with MacPro5,1 with NVIDIA GPU.
Let's see if the rumors on the AMD exclusive contract ending at the end of 2018 with Apple were true. Apparently Apple forced NVIDIA to pull their web driver that included VOLTA GPU support (387.10.10.15.15.108) because of this contract. IF they're working together on MacPro7,1 for 2019 would be in everyone's best interest to not do anything to jeopardize this. We'll see in 2019. Really need answers before NAB before the last of the holdouts jump ship.
Worth mentioning: web driver 387.10.10.15.15.108 does not "break" with macOS security updates in High Sierra. It has been posted elsewhere, but was officially pulled by NVIDIA. This driver works great and fixes nearly all of the issues on MacPro5,1.
I hope this gets sorted, because I just read on the cgsociety forums about some dude daisy chaining eGPUs together on his MacBook pro. He's going to try six enclosures with the akitio node pro - right now he has 3 titans on his MacBook and he said despite the noise, it's quieter than when he had them jammed in one PC case. He's got 3 more enclosures and 3 1080ti's on the way (so he's also got a lot of $$$ to throw around).
Interesting stuff.
Interesting stuff.
Apple are doing their best to keep my credit card remaining in my wallet. Big CUDA fan here and it’s “no CUDA no purchase” for me. I’m running a Flashed GTX 980 in an 08 Mac Pro for basic work and avoiding Mojave. I might rebuild that yet again with a card with decent FP64 support in CUDA if there is no new hardware with CUDA support. Meantime my MBPro has had to go to Mojave for camera RAW support and all there is is the stupidly expensive BlackMagic kit. So again nothing worth paying for even if I was an AMD fan (their FP 64 support is good and the NOde Pro with a Vega will save me a pile). Drivers will cause me to get a Node Pro with the best CUDA card
I can afford. A new Pro with Nvidia support would also trigger a purchase. Meanwhile Apple worries about gold MacBooks and we have to endure Angela waffling about store experiences. Timmy, please put real engineers back in charge.
I can afford. A new Pro with Nvidia support would also trigger a purchase. Meanwhile Apple worries about gold MacBooks and we have to endure Angela waffling about store experiences. Timmy, please put real engineers back in charge.
Anybody knows any expected release date for this or should we get ready to wait 6-12 months for it?
I know in the past, the drivers came 6+ months after the release.
I know in the past, the drivers came 6+ months after the release.
I think at this point it's either caused by Apple's deal with AMD which expires next year, which would mean us getting the drivers in January, or not, which might potentially mean no more NVidia drivers.
Sshhhh, I'm busy deluding myself by repeating "January 2nd, January 2nd"I guess March or something we'll know
I agree with your sentiment, and I think what it really comes down to is that Apple and nVidia have been at odds with each other for several years now, and the result is that Apple decided to use AMD products in their machines and have very little care for the customers who want to use nVidia cards. They are marginalizing users of the older, upgradable Mac Pros both to force purchases of newer hardware, and to eliminate the last foothold that nVidia has in the Mac market.
These decisions make sense from a standpoint of selling more hardware and making money, but make no sense at all in terms of cultivating a user base of professional users.
I am not a professional user, so while it ticks me off to have to replace an nVidia card that I purchased less than a year ago with an AMD card for compatibility reasons and to not constantly worry when the next "web driver" will be released, I still placed an order for an RX 560. It still beats the alternatives of overpaying for a machine with no upgrade path or building an unsupported hackintosh that I will have to keep running just to enjoy the benefits of Apple's operating system.
