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Spoiled by the All-in-One Gadget
By SAM GROBART
Published: March 26, 2011


A rise in rates would bring the United States in line with many other countries. Currently, the United States enjoys one of the more affordable mobile marketplaces in the world. Over the past five years, per-minute costs have gone down in the United States by 50 percent, according to Chetan Sharma, a mobile analyst. In countries like France and Italy, the decline has been only 20 percent.

Roger Entner, an analyst who follows the cellphone market, said: “Americans are enjoying the lowest cost in the industrialized world. Right now, we don’t know how good we have it.”


Consider what a smartphone can do, and the devices it replaces, and its value increases. A refurbished iPhone 3GS is currently on sale by AT&T for $19. With the least-expensive data and voice plans and a two-year contract, a customer would pay around $1,800 over 24 months, including taxes and fees.

But to do all the things a smartphone can do without buying one, that same consumer would need to buy the following:

A cellphone (at least $800 over 24 months: $20 for a device, plus $25 or more per month on a prepaid plan, plus taxes and fees).

A mobile e-mail reader ($430: the Peek 9, an e-mail reader, is $70; two years of service costs $360).

A music player (an iPod Nano is $149).

A point-and-shoot camera (around $200).

A camcorder (around $200).

A GPS unit (they start at $80).

A portable DVD player (they start at $60).

A voice recorder (around $40).

A watch (around $30).

A calculator (around $10).

Total cost: $1,999

In a smartphone, all those devices are reduced to software. They are a tap away, and new functions or services can be downloaded in seconds.

One of the side effects of this is that it becomes hard to appreciate the value of things. We become complacent because we now have tremendous capabilities that we can access with ease (even those of us who are technophobes). Louis C. K., the comedian, made this point when he appeared on “Late Night With Conan O’Brien” in the fall of 2008. “Everything’s amazing and no one is happy,” he ranted about the spoiled nature of the American consumer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/weekinreview/27grobart.html?_r=1&hpw

So there you have it, the NY Times is officially a propaganda piece for AT&T and spreading lies about how we pay the least when in fact we pay the most. Now I don't feel so bad about bypassing the NY Times paywall......though the content is disappointing.
 
Adding each item up, individually is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The reason why the iPhone, and other smart phones have all these features is to entice consumers to buy. I could see his point if there wasn't profit being made on each smart phone sold, but technology has allowed for all of these features to fit nicely in a compact, beautiful design, such as the iPhone 4, while still allowing the manufacturers to make a profit. at&t is trying to buy t-mobile for 39 billion dollars, and Apple is the second most valuable business in the world. So, let's charge consumers more, and make more profit?

Another rebut to this article, is that all of the things he listed individually, when bought individually, would probably be used for at least 5-10 years before being replaced. :rolleyes: Smart phones are typically replaced, ever 1-3 yrs.
 
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...So there you have it, the NY Times is officially a propaganda piece for AT&T and spreading lies about how we pay the least when in fact we pay the most. Now I don't feel so bad about bypassing the NY Times paywall......though the content is disappointing.

I'm glad I am not alone in thinking that the NYT article was straight stenography for AT$T. The author must have never seen this: An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices. Then again, hacks don't Google.

I guess we will have to get used to it. AT$T will be barraging the media with propaganda until they get their merger okayed.

Like you, I am glad the NYT is putting up a paywall. I won't breach their paywall, it will give me incentive to avoid their drivel altogether.
 
They seemed to have forgotten the 2 most important words in the article:

PAID ADVERTISEMENT
 
I always think the 'more minutes' argument is hysterical when referencing smartphones. Is there anyone here that actually comes close to their minute allotment in a month? The data is where the ripoff is these days.
 
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bwrairen said:
They seemed to have forgotten the 2 most important words in the article:

PAID ADVERTISEMENT

Yeah, I really went WTF when I read it.
 
Honestly, I don't get it. If you hate your phone so much, get another one. If you hate AT&T so much, switch to Verizon. If you don't like the content of a news source, just steal from them. Jesus man, you've repeatedly told us all how smart you are, why are you being so slow about this?
 
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Hello people who like to pay high cell phone bills....
 
Jesus. At least post the entire article. It has a different flavor than the spin you have put on things.

Spoiled by the All-in-One Gadget
By SAM GROBART
Published: March 26, 2011

AT&T’s announcement last Sunday that it plans to acquire T-Mobile was quickly analyzed to be bad news for consumers. If the merger is approved, rates are likely to go up, not just for T-Mobile customers, but for everyone, as there will then be only three companies carving up the majority of the national mobile market.

Some consumer advocates and politicians will decry this as Big Mobile enriching itself on the backs of the American consumer. And while that may be true, we will nevertheless continue paying, because the mobile operators well know, and we know too, that for many of us, our smartphones have become invaluable.

It is little wonder why: The smartphone contains massive computing power in a hand-held package. It is connected to a global data network that moves words, sounds and images from one end of the earth to another at the speed of light. It is changing the worlds of communication, commerce, politics, entertainment and countless others.

A rise in rates would bring the United States in line with many other countries. Currently, the United States enjoys one of the more affordable mobile marketplaces in the world. Over the past five years, per-minute costs have gone down in the United States by 50 percent, according to Chetan Sharma, a mobile analyst. In countries like France and Italy, the decline has been only 20 percent.

Roger Entner, an analyst who follows the cellphone market, said: “Americans are enjoying the lowest cost in the industrialized world. Right now, we don’t know how good we have it.”

Consider what a smartphone can do, and the devices it replaces, and its value increases. A refurbished iPhone 3GS is currently on sale by AT&T for $19. With the least-expensive data and voice plans and a two-year contract, a customer would pay around $1,800 over 24 months, including taxes and fees.

But to do all the things a smartphone can do without buying one, that same consumer would need to buy the following:

A cellphone (at least $800 over 24 months: $20 for a device, plus $25 or more per month on a prepaid plan, plus taxes and fees).

A mobile e-mail reader ($430: the Peek 9, an e-mail reader, is $70; two years of service costs $360).

A music player (an iPod Nano is $149).

A point-and-shoot camera (around $200).

A camcorder (around $200).

A GPS unit (they start at $80).

A portable DVD player (they start at $60).

A voice recorder (around $40).

A watch (around $30).

A calculator (around $10).

Total cost: $1,999

In a smartphone, all those devices are reduced to software. They are a tap away, and new functions or services can be downloaded in seconds.

One of the side effects of this is that it becomes hard to appreciate the value of things. We become complacent because we now have tremendous capabilities that we can access with ease (even those of us who are technophobes). Louis C. K., the comedian, made this point when he appeared on “Late Night With Conan O’Brien” in the fall of 2008. “Everything’s amazing and no one is happy,” he ranted about the spoiled nature of the American consumer.

Consider what used to be required to buy a camera, or a GPS unit, or any other kind of gadget: You had to research which model to buy. Time was invested in either going to the store or waiting for the device to arrive in the mail. There was hardware — packaging and a piece of equipment — inside, all cues that it took someone’s labor to make it. And because of those cues, we ascribed value to the object, and were willing to pay for it, sometimes handsomely.

Compare that with the smartphone experience. A camera or GPS unit is probably already included in the device. Adding new things, like a special alarm clock app, is a 20-second process of searching and downloading. Many of the cues of the physical world — time, mass, tactility — are absent. Without them, our sense of value is knocked off its moorings.

The pricing of apps reflects this new territory. Zagat’s restaurant guide app, for example, includes one year of access to every guide the company publishes for a year.

Added features include a searchable database, the ability to find restaurants near you using GPS, images of restaurants’ dishes and the ability to make reservations online, directly from the app. It costs $10. The printed 2011 Zagat guide to New York restaurants, which is limited to the five boroughs and has none of those features, costs $16.

And so mobile plans will become more expensive. And because complaining about the phone company predates the arrival of the smartphone (and because mobile operators continue to give us so many reasons to complain), there will be a lot of grousing and grumbling — but people will continue to pay. In a few short years, too many people have taken to the smartphone wholly and completely to turn back. And in the greater context of what the smartphone can do, it still looks like a bargain.
 
There is nothing different from reading the whole thing. It is a complete shill piece for AT&T.
 
I'm glad I am not alone in thinking that the NYT article was straight stenography for AT$T. The author must have never seen this: An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices. Then again, hacks don't Google.

I guess we will have to get used to it. AT$T will be barraging the media with propaganda until they get their merger okayed.

Like you, I am glad the NYT is putting up a paywall. I won't breach their paywall, it will give me incentive to avoid their drivel altogether.
Ah. That's a nice comparison.

Do you know if that article adjusts for the fact different countries have different amount of subsidization in equipment costs? Or is it service only and excludes equipment?
 
Adding each item up, individually is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

+1

Its not like if you don't have an iPhone, you are going to buy everything on that list. The iPhone just adds connivence. It wasn't built to replace 500 devices.

The person who wrote this article is stupid. They might as well write portable gaming device too. Or they could have just added iPod Touch to get rid of more than most of those added devices.
 
Don't feed into it guys.
Why am I not surprised it's him posting another thread like this. Just like all his previous ones, to stir drama and nothing but nonsense posts.

Ahhhhh......, yes, one of the most popular national newspapers that is syndicated by countless other sites published an AT&T propaganda piece as an original article saying we aren't paying enough in cell phone bills is in your opinion me making a "nothing but nonsense post". Get real.
 
Ahhhhh......, yes, one of the most popular national newspapers that is syndicated by countless other sites published an AT&T propaganda piece as an original article saying we aren't paying enough in cell phone bills is in your opinion me making a "nothing but nonsense post". Get real.

You're trying pretty hard aren't you?
 
Actually the propoganda comes from people touting Europe's cheap mobile rates.

Mobile users in Europe actually pay 400% more per minute of voice usage than people in the US pay. The average user, though, in Europe, uses 20% as many minutes in a month as people in the US use.

So the result is yes, Europeans have smaller mobile bills, but they are using a fraction of the minutes. The average minutes in the US is over 800 and in Europe is around 130-140 or so. As for costs, the average American pays .04 a minute, while in Europe they pay .16 cents a minute.

So all this time I have been seeing people talk about how awesome Europe is for mobile devices, the reality is people use phones significantly less because they are more expensive to use, and the providers have less issues because customers require much less infrastructure and take in 400% more revenue.

It is pretty clear that the European mobile market would fall apart if the people in Europe started using as many minutes per month as Americans did and demanded to pay 75% less for it.
 
Actually the propoganda comes from people touting Europe's cheap mobile rates.

Mobile users in Europe actually pay 400% more per minute of voice usage than people in the US pay. The average user, though, in Europe, uses 20% as many minutes in a month as people in the US use.

So the result is yes, Europeans have smaller mobile bills, but they are using a fraction of the minutes. The average minutes in the US is over 800 and in Europe is around 130-140 or so. As for costs, the average American pays .04 a minute, while in Europe they pay .16 cents a minute.

So all this time I have been seeing people talk about how awesome Europe is for mobile devices, the reality is people use phones significantly less because they are more expensive to use, and the providers have less issues because customers require much less infrastructure and take in 400% more revenue.

It is pretty clear that the European mobile market would fall apart if the people in Europe started using as many minutes per month as Americans did and demanded to pay 75% less for it.

You fail with the AT&T shilling, look at some real data:

Voice.JPG


http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices

OMMFG, Sweden users pay 4 cents/minute while Americans pay 18 cents/minute on average! And another OMMFG, users in India only pay 1 cent/minute!!! It's a worldwide conspiracy to make AT&T look bad!!!! OMMFG!!!! We must go and pay more money to our AT&T overlords!!!!
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/weekinreview/27grobart.html?_r=1&hpw

So there you have it, the NY Times is officially a propaganda piece for AT&T
Actually I often wonder why it took so long. The New York Times have been Apples mouth piece and competition basher for years.

The white haired old Walt Mossberg is bosom buddies with Steve Jobs & always gets the new Apple products first. Then he writes a glowing review, and Apple sells them faster than they can be made.

It's no big deal, there's corruption like this everywhere. You'll see.
 
You fail with the AT&T shilling, look at some real data:

Voice.JPG


http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices

OMMFG, Sweden users pay 4 cents/minute while Americans pay 18 cents/minute on average! And another OMMFG, users in India only pay 1 cent/minute!!! It's a worldwide conspiracy to make AT&T look bad!!!! OMMFG!!!! We must go and pay more money to our AT&T overlords!!!!

So the US is in the middle tier. Big deal. You trolling dude?
 
Again, is this data adjusted for the fact that equipment in the US is heavily subsidized by the carriers? (like that evil ATT!)
 
Ahhhhh......, yes, one of the most popular national newspapers that is syndicated by countless other sites published an AT&T propaganda piece as an original article saying we aren't paying enough in cell phone bills is in your opinion me making a "nothing but nonsense post". Get real.

You would have a point if not for you repeating the same thing in the most melodramatic way possible
 
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