How about making the iPhone 8 $100 more costly, and using the money to pay for ethical manufacture instead of new features. Call it the "Human Rights" edition.
How about we don't? How about we get the author to send them money every month instead?
How about making the iPhone 8 $100 more costly, and using the money to pay for ethical manufacture instead of new features. Call it the "Human Rights" edition.
FYI, the labor laws in Italy are far, far, far, far, far more worker friendly than in China. Better than in the US too, in many respects.
Hope you dont mind z400.. i quoted you on Appleindider.. put a direct link to your post.What a loser. This guy kicks back in his cushy middle class lifestyle, and he has the NERVE to judge what other people CHOOSE to do for a living?? How much money per month does he think that those workers were making on the farm? Huh? How productive were they there? Living in absolute poverty ridden destitution? And he has the nerve to criticize them, because he finds their work "very boring"??? And now he wants to get involved with "human rights advocacy"???
Let me guess: Shot in the dark. He wants these companies to pay their workers more. And when they're not willing or able to pay more, he'll tell the government to install a minimum wage, and price these kids out of a job. He'll FORCE them to NOT work at the rate that they thought was good for them; the rate they agreed to when they traveled from home to get the job in the first place.
These kids *think* that they'll be better off making money, instead of starving in rural China, but ohh noooo here comes the NYU intellectual to tell him alllll about how to live his life the way the intellectuals think he should live it, or else. Good think he was there to FORCE his idiotic opinions on others.
And by the way, that's about 40% of what I make in the U.S., I have all of Apples latest products, I pay my rent on time, and I save money, and their cost of living isn't nearly as high.
Maybe this kid should mind his business and shut up, instead of advocating for the violation of the rights that he claims to want to uphold. You don't have a RIGHT to INITIATE FORCE against anyone for ANY reason. Therefore, you don't have a right to tell people BY FORCE that they can't take a job, or that they can only take it under the terms that YOU prefer. Any claim to such a right is an absurd contradiction.
USD 450 per Month for working 12 hours a day. I am officially ashamed of having bought a device which could pay one factory worker for 2.5 Months..
Something is SO wrong in this here world where YouTube "Starlets" Bendgate and Smash Phones which worth could support a family man for almost a year when smashing several.
They work their behinds off so that we westernized folks can run about and stare at a USD1000 smart phone instead of being social.
Think I need to revise my life here
I've mentioned them just for example, not to single them out.
And kinda hard to find anything made in EU/US in my own country (Croatia). If it even exists, I haven't seen it anywhere![]()
For perspective, could you post how much the average person in the same geographical area makes per month assuming a similar age, no university degree, and not working at Foxconn/Pegotron/etc.? Thank you.
Poor example. How many iPhone users are there in the world vs. Ferrari owners? The fact that one's ubiquitous has a lot to do with it.Wait, the factory workers could not afford to buy the iPhone? What a shame! Let me ask at www.ferrari-rumors.com if the Ferrari workers all own Ferraris.
USD 450 per Month for working 12 hours a day. I am officially ashamed of having bought a device which could pay one factory worker for 2.5 Months..
Something is SO wrong in this here world where YouTube "Starlets" Bendgate and Smash Phones which worth could support a family man for almost a year when smashing several.
They work their behinds off so that we westernized folks can run about and stare at a USD1000 smart phone instead of being social.
Think I need to revise my life here
What a loser. This guy kicks back in his cushy middle class lifestyle, and he has the NERVE to judge what other people CHOOSE to do for a living?? How much money per month does he think that those workers were making on the farm? Huh? How productive were they there? Living in absolute poverty ridden destitution? And he has the nerve to criticize them, because he finds their work "very boring"??? And now he wants to get involved with "human rights advocacy"???
Let me guess: Shot in the dark. He wants these companies to pay their workers more. And when they're not willing or able to pay more, he'll tell the government to install a minimum wage, and price these kids out of a job. He'll FORCE them to NOT work at the rate that they thought was good for them; the rate they agreed to when they traveled from home to get the job in the first place.
These kids *think* that they'll be better off making money, instead of starving in rural China, but ohh noooo here comes the NYU intellectual to tell him alllll about how to live his life the way the intellectuals think he should live it, or else. Good think he was there to FORCE his idiotic opinions on others.
And by the way, that's about 40% of what I make in the U.S., I have all of Apples latest products, I pay my rent on time, and I save money, and their cost of living isn't nearly as high.
Maybe this kid should mind his business and shut up, instead of advocating for the violation of the rights that he claims to want to uphold. You don't have a RIGHT to INITIATE FORCE against anyone for ANY reason. Therefore, you don't have a right to tell people BY FORCE that they can't take a job, or that they can only take it under the terms that YOU prefer. Any claim to such a right is an absurd contradiction.
$450 for a month of 60 hour weeks. That's less than $2 per hour. It is no surprise that Apple and other companies will ship production overseas for that kind of cost savings. In America that amount of labor would cost over $2,000 plus benefits like social security, medicare, worker's comp, and unemployment.
Of course the flip side is Apple is still paying the local population more than they would be making elsewhere.
It is really no different than with the auto industry as jobs shift from the $50/hour union jobs in Detroit to the $20/hour jobs in the American South and eventually to the even lower wages in Mexico and South America. The locals who are in much more dire financial straits will welcome any job over the poverty they currently experience.
Apple is probably one of the few companies who possibly could shift production to the USA and get away with the higher prices for their goods, but eventually commoditization will catch up and they would be forced to shift to areas with low labor costs.
Welcome to the future, your job is only as stable as a companies ability to build a factory and ship the product back over here cheaper.
You do realise there's not only Nike or Adidas around, right? You can easily find sportswear from brands that manufacture in the US or Europe. It is going to cost you more, that's for sure, so try to pick up and be satisfied with less, more durable stuff.
I'd like to know that too.
If work at Pegatron is so horrible with low pay... why do people work there? Seems like you'd look for a better job that pays more.
Though something tells me there's not much choice for jobs in these parts of the world.
For perspective, could you post how much the average person in the same geographical area makes per month assuming a similar age, no university degree, and not working at Foxconn/Pegotron/etc.? Thank you.
People who don't stand for anything fall for everything. All of this is as basic as training a dog. No company should do what Apple has done. No Government should allow Apple to do what it does, and no customer should buy products from a company that does what Apple does. We should simply not trade with nations that systematically mistreat their citizens and instead reward nations which do treat their citizens well. You can replace Apple with Bosch, Toshiba, LG, Lenovo, etc etc etc, because they all do it. We are just feeding the monster and it will come back to bite in time.The fault is not Apple's. Look around you, who is buying this stuff? You can't blame Apple for wanting to make money. Although there is something to be said about the widening gap between worker income and company profit. But if Apple left another company would immediately jump in its place.
The issue that no one is really looking at, including all the displaced workers who think bringing jobs back will improve their plight, is automation. I feel bad because the very first victims of automation will be those workers in those 3rd world country factories. But automation will make its way everywhere, and when there are no more jobs to actually bring back I wonder what the rhetoric will be. It will also be interesting when prices keep going up for products, while costs go down.
most americans don't realize how awful factory work is in general
We should simply not trade with nations that systematically mistreat their citizens and instead reward nations which do treat their citizens well. You can replace Apple with Bosch, Toshiba, LG, Lenovo, etc etc etc, because they all do it.
Exactly right. We don't have a choice, I looked and basically no device in our town was available that wasn't made in China. However the point remains. Individuals are less responsible than companies and governments for this problem.Ok real question, how are you writing you comment, on what type of device?
Yes you are correct, "they all do it." and so do you and I.
It is in this here post. Just read it. Apple was quoted stating they pay more than the average sal. in that area.
If one slave gets 1 portion of rice more than his neighbor-slave - does that make him less a slave ?