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NYU Student Goes Undercover at Pegatron Factory, Offers Inside Look at iPhone Production
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How about we don't? How about we get the author to send them money every month instead?
Oh I know, there is a strike every other week.
But hey every country has its own standards based on what the people are happy with.(1) since he wasn't able to take pictures(obviously), where was
his proof that he actually worked inside the factory?
(2) someone needs to invent a camera that's embedded inside a
tooth.(most logical place, since it can be passed off as metal
dental filling/crown/implant, if detected by metal detectors)
his proof that he actually worked inside the factory?
(2) someone needs to invent a camera that's embedded inside a
tooth.(most logical place, since it can be passed off as metal
dental filling/crown/implant, if detected by metal detectors)
USD 450 per Month for working 12 hours a day. I am officially ashamed of having bought a device which could pay one factory worker for 2.5 Months..
Something is SO wrong in this here world where YouTube "Starlets" Bendgate and Smash Phones which worth could support a family man for almost a year when smashing several.
They work their behinds off so that we westernized folks can run about and stare at a USD1000 smart phone instead of being social.
Think I need to revise my life here
Something is SO wrong in this here world where YouTube "Starlets" Bendgate and Smash Phones which worth could support a family man for almost a year when smashing several.
They work their behinds off so that we westernized folks can run about and stare at a USD1000 smart phone instead of being social.
Think I need to revise my life here
Agree. Story sounds like typical fake news disinformation. $450 a month is a huge amount of money in China. They're going to pay you that much just to put a sticker on the back of a iphone? Come on. In Taiwan--the most civilized, free Chinese country in the world, the average unskilled worker works a 72 hour a week, bosses work you to death and you make $600 a month.
And what's the background of the graduate student? The spelling of his name suggests he's a foreign student from China, a Party plant. Surprise, surprise...
I did a Master's degree in Hong Kong, our class was full of Chinese government tools.
And what's the background of the graduate student? The spelling of his name suggests he's a foreign student from China, a Party plant. Surprise, surprise...
I did a Master's degree in Hong Kong, our class was full of Chinese government tools.
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Hope you dont mind z400.. i quoted you on Appleindider.. put a direct link to your post.
For perspective, could you post how much the average person in the same geographical area makes per month assuming a similar age, no university degree, and not working at Foxconn/Pegotron/etc.? Thank you.
I've mentioned them just for example, not to single them out.
And kinda hard to find anything made in EU/US in my own country (Croatia). If it even exists, I haven't seen it anywhere
In Germany, it would probably be "Trigema".
I know none other.
I'd like to know that too.
If work at Pegatron is so horrible with low pay... why do people work there? Seems like you'd look for a better job that pays more.
Though something tells me there's not much choice for jobs in these parts of the world.
Poor example. How many iPhone users are there in the world vs. Ferrari owners? The fact that one's ubiquitous has a lot to do with it.
This is BS. You notice how he fails to explain what 124$ is worth in that country! The misinformation campaigners and virtue signalers never want you to know the whole truth. If they did then their angle would be ruined and they would not be able to manipulate you into thinking the way they want you to.
The cost of living in America is much higher.
Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in United States are 70.63% higher than in China
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 85.38% higher than in China
Rent Prices in United States are 125.34% higher than in China
Restaurant Prices in United States are 148.02% higher than in China
Groceries Prices in United States are 60.10% higher than in China
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 82.69% higher than in China
I compared my home town to what I think is a close example, but maybe not. IDK i'm not an expert, but there is what I got:
You would need around 30,443.27¥ (4,409.84$) in Sacramento, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 23,000.00¥ in Shanghai (assuming you rent in both cities).
You would need around 29,675.56¥ (4,298.64$) in Sacramento, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 20,000.00¥ in Beijing (assuming you rent in both cities).
You would need around 30,683.10¥ (4,444.59$) in Sacramento, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 13,000.00¥ in Jinan (assuming you rent in both cities).
Facts are better then someone skewed presentation.
The cost of living in America is much higher.
Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in United States are 70.63% higher than in China
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 85.38% higher than in China
Rent Prices in United States are 125.34% higher than in China
Restaurant Prices in United States are 148.02% higher than in China
Groceries Prices in United States are 60.10% higher than in China
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 82.69% higher than in China
I compared my home town to what I think is a close example, but maybe not. IDK i'm not an expert, but there is what I got:
You would need around 30,443.27¥ (4,409.84$) in Sacramento, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 23,000.00¥ in Shanghai (assuming you rent in both cities).
You would need around 29,675.56¥ (4,298.64$) in Sacramento, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 20,000.00¥ in Beijing (assuming you rent in both cities).
You would need around 30,683.10¥ (4,444.59$) in Sacramento, CA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 13,000.00¥ in Jinan (assuming you rent in both cities).
Facts are better then someone skewed presentation.
Your life is fine. its society that has gone to crap. Sadly this stuff is job related for them, they are trying for tube fame and hits. Which have some way to pay out later on it seems for some.
And, well, you get the brain deads who watch this stuff to make it viable.
It takes 2 to tango...the idiot to film and the idiot to watch. Get enough watching idiots...it encourages the filming idiots to film more.
Phone part....that is society going to crap too. When I go to Korea I lose my cell signal (I won't pay roaming charges...I am physically with the 2 people I need to be with, wife and son and that is all I need). Several days off the grid. And back to basics. talking with the people face to face, want to find something to do just explore (vice pin drop directions and there....sometimes the longer unguided journey of getting there is better than the actual destination), etc.
Work hates it when I do this. How can we get ahold of you? You can't....what part of vacation do I need to spell out for you. Your hotel have wireless? yeah I guess. But on vaca's i am out all day. At night after dinner and such I drop the wife and kid off at the hotel, bath time for the my son, put them to bed, assemble my arsenal and go out for night shooting around the area with the Nikon. Come back late, sleep. early rise next day....rinse lather repeat. I bring a laptop...but only to back up the camera's memory sticks really after shooting for the day done lol.
This guy is trying to make the world the better place and get involved, and here you are crying about it on the internet. First of all no one chooses to work a crappy job that borders on abuse of human rights. Some people don't have any options. Second of all I can garantuee that even the people who want to make iPhones wish the working conditions weren't so abusive in China.
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I don't think we'll see production come back to US until we have more robots doing it. Then corps don't need to worry about paying a lot of people when they can pay fewer robot techs to maintance the robots who build their products.
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So let's not pay these workers anything at all and make everything in the USA right? Let them all starve to death. Great!
You do realise that things like food and housing are a fraction of what they cost in the USA right? So looking a straight dollar amounts for wages is absolutely stupid.
Exactly. No Choice. That is why the Western World chooses to produce there. If they produced the iPhone in the States, no one in the working class would be able to afford it. This is NOT just Apple - it is everything. Shoes, Clothing, TVs - everything. Imagine a pair of Nikes costing $500 ? They would if it weren't for "lovely" ASIA !
Produced where folks have no choice. There is a word that, slavery ! But thats the way it is. I am am no better with my 4 Macs, 3 iOS devices, NIKE Shoes and other clothing. But I am not lying to myself about it. I am ONLY able to purchase all the stuff I own because other people suffer. Thats the way it is. And the way it always will be. There is always going to be someone to do the dirty work so that others can profit. McDonalds isn't exactly paying their employees large sums monthly. A cleaning lady/man is not exactly living luxury while the people whose houses they clean are !
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It is in this here post. Just read it. Apple was quoted stating they pay more than the average sal. in that area.
If one slave gets 1 portion of rice more than his neighbor-slave - does that make him less a slave ?
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People who don't stand for anything fall for everything. All of this is as basic as training a dog. No company should do what Apple has done. No Government should allow Apple to do what it does, and no customer should buy products from a company that does what Apple does. We should simply not trade with nations that systematically mistreat their citizens and instead reward nations which do treat their citizens well. You can replace Apple with Bosch, Toshiba, LG, Lenovo, etc etc etc, because they all do it. We are just feeding the monster and it will come back to bite in time.
Many Americans think "Friends" was real and they could live that lifestyle.
Ok real question, how are you writing you comment, on what type of device?
Yes you are correct, "they all do it." and so do you and I.
Exactly right. We don't have a choice, I looked and basically no device in our town was available that wasn't made in China. However the point remains. Individuals are less responsible than companies and governments for this problem.
So...
Grad student learns factory work is not thrilling thing to do. Did it for 6 years....it served needs. Need was I could work 3rd shift to take college classes during the day. HR videos lie....dramatic driving music, cheerful narrator, staged actors happy, etc. I came in, worked tasks around a printing press by the numbers for my 8-12 hours...went home. It paid bills, was not something to find deep meaning from.
They have learned chinese wages are not great. thanks for the info....we had no clue why outsourcing became a thing. Really, we didn't. Now he needs to infiltrate india...I am not sure why they are a hot bed of IT programming development and support outsourcing either.
And an American based person learns asia has different work ethics and practices. Even Japan has some messed up stuff. They are big into "salary" payscale. Why? easiset way to pay you for 40...and get 60+ from you. Have known some Americans try the Japanese side. They worked their 9-5 as it were, packing up to leave. And boss is going wtf, where are you going. 8 hours of work bossman, its quitting time. Walk with me, we need to talk about how things work around here...
Taiwan mentioned..same thing. this is an asian thing. Japan can pay better....but they draw blood from a stone for that money really in worst cases I know.
Some like me have a phrase for these people. Salary men/women. Its not jsut a name to reference their job class...it has many meanings. Working long hours, rushing to catch that late night and most likely last train home and if train missed a fun night of crashing at places like kissaten (think manga/comic book coffee shop places with food with lounges) if not capsule hotels are included meanings.
Also seems a wide eyed college boy who thinks ones job should be their life found it lacking. Good for them to learn that early. Me...it took several bad events in my life in close timing to each other to realize one should make ones life their life and not their job. Several events taught the adage of "no one on their death bed says you know...I wished I would have spent more time at work". to be full of wisdom. Wisdom best taken in sooner than later.
Grad student learns factory work is not thrilling thing to do. Did it for 6 years....it served needs. Need was I could work 3rd shift to take college classes during the day. HR videos lie....dramatic driving music, cheerful narrator, staged actors happy, etc. I came in, worked tasks around a printing press by the numbers for my 8-12 hours...went home. It paid bills, was not something to find deep meaning from.
They have learned chinese wages are not great. thanks for the info....we had no clue why outsourcing became a thing. Really, we didn't. Now he needs to infiltrate india...I am not sure why they are a hot bed of IT programming development and support outsourcing either.
And an American based person learns asia has different work ethics and practices. Even Japan has some messed up stuff. They are big into "salary" payscale. Why? easiset way to pay you for 40...and get 60+ from you. Have known some Americans try the Japanese side. They worked their 9-5 as it were, packing up to leave. And boss is going wtf, where are you going. 8 hours of work bossman, its quitting time. Walk with me, we need to talk about how things work around here...
Taiwan mentioned..same thing. this is an asian thing. Japan can pay better....but they draw blood from a stone for that money really in worst cases I know.
Some like me have a phrase for these people. Salary men/women. Its not jsut a name to reference their job class...it has many meanings. Working long hours, rushing to catch that late night and most likely last train home and if train missed a fun night of crashing at places like kissaten (think manga/comic book coffee shop places with food with lounges) if not capsule hotels are included meanings.
Also seems a wide eyed college boy who thinks ones job should be their life found it lacking. Good for them to learn that early. Me...it took several bad events in my life in close timing to each other to realize one should make ones life their life and not their job. Several events taught the adage of "no one on their death bed says you know...I wished I would have spent more time at work". to be full of wisdom. Wisdom best taken in sooner than later.
These people are slaves? And they exist on a cup of rice, presumably per day? I'm genuinely curious. Can you expand with details on living conditions, cost of living, etc for the geographical area.