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Looks like a bunch of w***-slapping on a table to me. All you end up with is splinters in your w***. That's MY opinion.
Hey now @djjeff nearly 6 pages into a thread and no one said anything stupid to one another until then. Not bad considering this is an internet forum in 2020. Any other sub and this entire conversation would’ve been a nightmare on the first page😉
And this didn’t turn into a “dogpile” either. Only a single person replied to you in the way you were hoping we all would. And I’m fairly certain he did it to be funny and to see how you’d react 🤔
I rest my case with what I said in my OP and what most of the members in here said. We’re not perfect, but we’re better than the others.
Here’s an analogy; per-capita our subforum has very little uncivil arguments, dogpiling, name calling, ect. Compared to any other fora. Are we perfect? No, as yourself and timidpimpin pointed out.
Your posts in this thread did come off to me as a bit negative sounding which is why you got the response you did.
However, there were clearly some other differing opinions in this thread but none of them resulted in hostility; hence my per-capita analogy.
And this didn’t turn into a “dogpile” either. Only a single person replied to you in the way you were hoping we all would. And I’m fairly certain he did it to be funny and to see how you’d react 🤔
I rest my case with what I said in my OP and what most of the members in here said. We’re not perfect, but we’re better than the others.
Here’s an analogy; per-capita our subforum has very little uncivil arguments, dogpiling, name calling, ect. Compared to any other fora. Are we perfect? No, as yourself and timidpimpin pointed out.
Your posts in this thread did come off to me as a bit negative sounding which is why you got the response you did.
However, there were clearly some other differing opinions in this thread but none of them resulted in hostility; hence my per-capita analogy.
Thank you for also proving my point. Ironically you and others don't see that each time you make such a post you reinforce EXACTLY what I said in my opening post. Let me repost it so maybe you'll understand:
This forum is no different than all the other forums here. Opposing points of view are no more tolerated here than they are on the other forums. You may think you're different, but you're not. The only difference between this forum and most of the other forums is the smaller number of people who frequent this forum. This gives the illusion you're all in agreement when you're really not. If you have a dissenting opinion you all will dog pile on that person just as others do in the other forums.
That's exactly what you, and others, have been doing this past 24 hours. You can bury your heads in the sand to that effect but it won't negate it.
No I’m gonna go ahead and say that’s false. You are right now doing what the media does. Taking what myself and others have said out of context, and ignoring the whole point. The general tone of your comments are intent on picking a fight. You have not been dogpiled yet.
You are actually the one who keeps reinforcing my point. You are one person who causing a slight scene, but the overall tone of this place is positive. You can continue to reply and try to prevoke the rest of us, but as I’m sure you’ve noticed the majority of the other members have stopped responding, as to not continue with your negative banter. Like it’s been said on here a couple times about the less-mature people “ignore them and they’ll go away”.
Saying it's false and being false are two different things. Unfortunately for you it isn't false. Yes, I have been dogpiled.
You just can't accept this forum is not the pinnacle of virtue the OP made it out to be. The reality is this forum is just as hostile to differing points of view as every other forum here. The past 24 hours has demonstrated that quite clearly. The only difference between this forum and others is the smaller number of participants. Participants who tend to share the same point of view. Whenever an outsider comes in and challenges the status quo, as I have done, the forum responds exactly as every other.
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Nobody said it was a “perfect place of virtue”.
We said it was better. I feel like I’m talking to a wall right now. You’re intent on being negative, and the ONLY one replying to this post with an intent to cause a fight. And you aren’t the only one in here with different opinions.
My last couple posts literally said that. Did you see the per-capita reference? Right now you’re the 1% of the population being a problem. Other forums have a 75% of “problems”.
Thanks for proving my point. Differing opinions are no more tolerated here than they are in other forums. It's either go with the group think or be accused of trolling / intending to cause a fight. The irony being you don't see what is clearly evident to objective people. You'll continue to yammer on about how I am the only one this and the only one that. Which might be entirely correct and, in doing so, you'll be making my point.
You'd be interested in this subreddit. Some cool stuff there, even though it's reddit (gag)- /r/LegacyJailbreak
I have to say that generally speaking, this is the only forum I like to even check new posts on regularly. Mainly I think, like so many of us, it's because PowerPCs still fascinate me. I love discovering what others are doing to extend the life of theirs old machines, and what knowledge I can pick up to do the same for mine. I don't read everything, but that's also due to what interests me at the core, which is probably typical for anyone here too. I don't read much of the Linux on PowerPC threads, or the fancier graphics card upgrade threads, but who knows, that could change some day too. 
I tend to do more reading than replying, but I know that sometimes I might be one of the only people with an answer or suggestion that someone is looking for, so I try to help out when I can too.
For me, I started popping in here because I grew up with PowerPC Macs and I wanted to hang out where people were discussing them, since they were becoming "obsolete" around that time. Since then, it's become a hobby to just see what I can do with them, pushing the limits, finding new uses, learning more about the stuff that interests me with you guys. I joined back in 2010, (I somehow missed my 10 year anniversary, whoops!) and I've seen a lot of different people come and go here, but I think the core of what we want this forum to be has remained. For the most part, the forum here remains a place for information, and friendly banter. Obviously, as some have mentioned in this thread, sometimes that doesn't go exactly as planned and people end up feeling attacked or whatever, but as I'm sure you're aware, a perfect place on the internet doesn't exist.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I appreciate you all and what you do for the PowerPC community here. I enjoy being a part of it and sharing in the joy of using old Macs in the modern age.
I tend to do more reading than replying, but I know that sometimes I might be one of the only people with an answer or suggestion that someone is looking for, so I try to help out when I can too.For me, I started popping in here because I grew up with PowerPC Macs and I wanted to hang out where people were discussing them, since they were becoming "obsolete" around that time. Since then, it's become a hobby to just see what I can do with them, pushing the limits, finding new uses, learning more about the stuff that interests me with you guys. I joined back in 2010, (I somehow missed my 10 year anniversary, whoops!) and I've seen a lot of different people come and go here, but I think the core of what we want this forum to be has remained. For the most part, the forum here remains a place for information, and friendly banter. Obviously, as some have mentioned in this thread, sometimes that doesn't go exactly as planned and people end up feeling attacked or whatever, but as I'm sure you're aware, a perfect place on the internet doesn't exist.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I appreciate you all and what you do for the PowerPC community here. I enjoy being a part of it and sharing in the joy of using old Macs in the modern age.
o7 to you, and thanks for your service.
I used to really like the blog when it was active (still do, but you get my meaning). The frequent posts have stopped there, but I still pop by from time to time. It was there that I learned about Debian Ports and sid for PowerPC, which led to the forum denizens here to start exploring it a few years ago (I can take a little bit of credit for bringing it here
Here is another o7 to @timidpimpin.
I had a blast being part of the blog, and look forward to continuing to be. The whole experience taught me a lot. PowerPC macs got me out of the Windows world. Diving into Debian on PowerPC macs was yet another great new world. I am about to move into a bigger space and will have some room to have some of the macs set up again. I'd like to reboot the PowerMac G4 Cooling project. I am also looking forward to giving sid a go.
Yep, lets get it back to its former glory. I've been thinking of a few ideas for new content.
Hmm, I personally enjoy dipping in the political forum from time to time and pull all of their identity politics, grievance culture, soyboy, anti capitalist, pro marxist, liberal strings. I consider it more of a public service in that without a dissenting American conservative opinion illustrating everything that is patently wrong with their constructed narrative of US history, Institutional oppression, hatred & grievance, they get lost down their rabbit hole destined to the hypnosis of their marxist leftist echo chamber.
I help my good friends over there remember the ideals that make the United States an amazing & inclusive (contrary to lefty belief) place to reside.
And with that I obviously try (sometimes unsuccessfully) to leave that out of this place and just talk shop.
Y’all have a great day.
Long live the Republic.
I like this forum precisely because I don’t come here to read or have a take on political matters (as with the above here), and I do not think a mess of you all would want to be aware of my own world views or my own takes.
Then again, that’s also not why we’re here.
We’re here to make these PPCs (and yes, old Intel rigs) sing and zing well into tomorrow and beyond.
Apropos of nothing, I got a giant smile on my face the moment I saw your avatar, and now I want to pull out my city pop playlist and run it on shuffle.
But you’re one of my favorite people to argue with. You & @Dronecatcher are loads of fun. The European perspective is always a fiery & vibrant one.
Yes, the intent there was to illustrate what we as individuals should do vs what we typically do are often contrary to eachother. I agree that the majority of how we as individuals mature and learn social skills (ie: socialize) is through the errors in judgement we make through life.
Apropos of nothing, I got a giant smile on my face the moment I saw your avatar, and now I want to pull out my city pop playlist and run it on shuffle.
I am glad it made you smile! The YouTube mixes often brighten my days at work.
It’s impossible not to be cheered up when Toshiki Kadomatsu’s “Dreamin” Walkin’” or anything by Tats Yamashita pops on.
I couldn't think of a better place to post this and it seemed half-relevant.
I've been browsing some of the other forums a little bit, mostly if I see a topic that catches my eye on the side bar of the home page. I usually go there just to see if there's any cool new things I might wanna know about.
Anyway, there's this incredibly annoying phenomenon I've experienced multiple times. Most the other users are like..offended; if you don't agree that the newest and latest thing is best thing and everyone should be using it. This thread is a perfect example.
I've gotten downvoted on reddit, and I'm pretty sure I've been asked if I tell kids to get off my lawn twice on this site just this week alone.
This is the kind of behavior that makes me not want to visit the other forums. It's like talking to a wall lol. Everyone should be able to have their opinion for their specific use cases and not be ridiculed if it doesn't fit the echochamber.
I don't hate new technology either, most of it is great. I dislike dongles and soldering, but I have issues with new software too. If I want my own perfect modular modern machine I can build one out of parts from newegg or wherever.
I've been browsing some of the other forums a little bit, mostly if I see a topic that catches my eye on the side bar of the home page. I usually go there just to see if there's any cool new things I might wanna know about.
Anyway, there's this incredibly annoying phenomenon I've experienced multiple times. Most the other users are like..offended; if you don't agree that the newest and latest thing is best thing and everyone should be using it. This thread is a perfect example.
I've gotten downvoted on reddit, and I'm pretty sure I've been asked if I tell kids to get off my lawn twice on this site just this week alone.
This is the kind of behavior that makes me not want to visit the other forums. It's like talking to a wall lol. Everyone should be able to have their opinion for their specific use cases and not be ridiculed if it doesn't fit the echochamber.
I don't hate new technology either, most of it is great. I dislike dongles and soldering, but I have issues with new software too. If I want my own perfect modular modern machine I can build one out of parts from newegg or wherever.
The attitude of the newest and best used to be a thing in the iPhone section here. In fact, it was pretty bad back in 2012-2013 when some were buying the iPhone as a status symbol and posting about it (no doubt some still do buy it as a status symbol). Eventually those voices got drowned out by those who see the iPhone as a tool (myself included).
But the same issue has always been in the Intel Mac forums here, although lately it seems to be much less.
I've found that solidly standing on my opinion without getting heated about things generally works best for me. When they can't get a rise out of you or change your opinion it's no longer fun for them.
I find many of the threads on this site to be worthless junk outside of the more "hobbyist" forums like PPC, Early Intel, Photography, some of Community Discussion, and even the iPod forum. in the more mainstream boards it's just a mess. It reminds me of the things I hated about Reddit, just with much less needless cursing.
This has always been an issue, but I don't remember it being nearly this bad during the older years. Namely, before 2007. I had a great time before then. The iPhone brought a lot of people that weren't so civil and a lot of bickering and fighting became commonplace more and more. This spilled over into the other hardware boards as obviously the iPhone made Apple a lot more popular. Things really took a nose dive around the time the iPhone 4 came out, and by 2012 the site was way different than it had been 6 years earlier. 2012 was a very, very bad year on this forum. The temperature increased enough that I decided to give up on it altogether and leave, took me 5 and a half years to rejoin under a new name.
I see that in a lot of ways not much has changed, especially in those more mainstream forums. Plenty of people that get off by Lording their "superiority" over others and berating and belittling them for even the most minor points they can. Not conductive under any circumstance and it's really a shame. I join a discussion expecting it to go fine and then the flames start. I still see some of my 2000s era buddies on this site, but they've mostly abandoned the tech boards and now hang out in the community section. Some due to lost interest, others have expressly stated that they got tired of it. I'm creeping towards that same point, because it's really tiresome in a lot of ways. The battle of superiority and shutting down others is not for me.
This has always been an issue, but I don't remember it being nearly this bad during the older years. Namely, before 2007. I had a great time before then. The iPhone brought a lot of people that weren't so civil and a lot of bickering and fighting became commonplace more and more. This spilled over into the other hardware boards as obviously the iPhone made Apple a lot more popular. Things really took a nose dive around the time the iPhone 4 came out, and by 2012 the site was way different than it had been 6 years earlier. 2012 was a very, very bad year on this forum. The temperature increased enough that I decided to give up on it altogether and leave, took me 5 and a half years to rejoin under a new name.
I see that in a lot of ways not much has changed, especially in those more mainstream forums. Plenty of people that get off by Lording their "superiority" over others and berating and belittling them for even the most minor points they can. Not conductive under any circumstance and it's really a shame. I join a discussion expecting it to go fine and then the flames start. I still see some of my 2000s era buddies on this site, but they've mostly abandoned the tech boards and now hang out in the community section. Some due to lost interest, others have expressly stated that they got tired of it. I'm creeping towards that same point, because it's really tiresome in a lot of ways. The battle of superiority and shutting down others is not for me.
Yeah, I don't get why people have a problem with someone using the tools that work for them. Maybe people think it's just trolling and nobody could be crazy enough to actually do that, right? I know I'd rather type something on a PowerBook than a new MacBook - I need some key travel! I'm not trash talking the new computers, I'm sure they do have great screens and performance, but for what I do there are better (and more cost effective) choices, even though they may be older.
I pretty much come here exclusively for the community. This is hands down the best forum for me to find people with similar computer interests as me and there are some great discussions in the subforums, so I'm really glad this site exists, it's always in my bookmarks bar. I do read the tech news on occasion, but it seems like those threads turn into a disaster zone pretty frequently. I still don't understand why people get so defensive of a trillion dollar corporation, but it seems pretty common here and on reddit.
Don't give a **** about the naysayers. Use what works for you, nothing else matters. But for goodness sake, get a 4K monitor!!!oneoneeleven
Maybe they feel they need to justify their investment. Or they're just... mentally challenged.