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Except I wouldn’t say that we “dogpiled” in that argument. If I remember correctly it was more all of us getting together and complaining about a youtube video. One that made me cringe from the beginning. He wasn’t even using the G5 correctly and claimed an early 2006 Intel mini was faster, which is false because it was a quad G5. The only mac faster than the quad G5 in 2006 was the Mac Pro.
Nonetheless, I go into the other forums and see things get out of hand constantly. Whereas even if something does get out of hand in this subforum it is very few and far between.
People don't need an "unholy reason" (or any reason, for that matter). People like what they like and dislike what they dislike. No point in debating that.
The problem is - who decides how to "correctly" use a G5? And how was he using it "incorrectly"? That's a very strong word. Just to be clear - I get your point that he wasn't utilising the full potential of the machine and am not trying to drag you into an argument. But the use of the word "correct" carries a strong normative aspect IMHO.
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If I may, I recommend we ignore threads like those in this discussion given that there were certain forces at play that caused what would normally be a civil debate to turn into more of a heated argument. In my personal opinion those threads are not an accurate sample of the data on this subject given the aformentioned external influences.
If I recall correctly the group did more than that, they dogpiled on someone (forgot who it was and not really interested in digging through it to find out who it was) who had stated the video was spot on.
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IOW ignore threads which disprove the OP?
There are 2 types of people; people who are tolerant of each other and there are people who are simply angry and look for a fight no matter what state of mind they are. The anti-thesis of tolerance is anger.
There will always be people who think that they have every right to change other people's opinion, thoughts and mindset. They are angry at themselves for a series of things they believe they didn't do enough to make themselves happy, so they go out there to force others to conform to their mindset. They are horses on blinders and it is impossible to reason with these people, because these people are totally consumed with anger. Anger dictates their actions. You see this the aftermath of what happens to anger in America.
Why then some people develop tolerance. It is life experience; it is with the maturity of a person and I am impressed that there are some young people here who have developed a certain measure of tolerance between differing opinions and not let their anger dictate and control their whole interaction with others.
The question is; why some people develop this form of anger that they need to express it out in the open using violence in America or using verbal abuse and putting others down in forums? Probably due to the income inequality between the haves and haves-not. They felt they tried so hard and worked so hard and they still have nothing to show for. They may be very talented in certain fields and these people sincerely know some things really well and usually these are the same people who would put themselves in upper privilege positions as Mr or Miss know it all. But deep down, they are angry and they are hurt. They had been left behind and they are crying out for some appreciation and so, they will bully others who disagree with them, because they are already angry and they see others as their enemies, as those people who are the cause of their anger. The truth of the matter is that, you can not resolve anger by bullying others in forums or in real life by hurting other people so you can vent that anger. You can only heal that anger by coming into realization that anger comes from the inequality that the rich and the power elite had created since the feudal society in Europe, which is prevalent in our current democracy. This was shown out in the open due to the COVID crisis. More violence and intolerance. This anger of inequality has always been there and has been brewing in forums, because that's how these people who are angry vent their anger.
This forum and other forums I am in have people who are simply tolerant of other's anger. We know not to fan the flames further, because that's how these people thrive. By encouraging you to fan the flames; to get you angry and go along with their epic dramas. They usually go away if you just ignore them enough. As some had said earlier; there were some militaristic people there were in this forum who set themselves up as the experts; as the defacto source and will get angry when someone else challenged their expertise. But where are they now? They are mostly gone once they realize they are not getting the satisfaction from the general population that it is not as easy to fan the flames anymore. They simply leave and go to another forum where people there will be less tolerant. The treatment of anger is tolerance; or the anti-thesis to anger is tolerance and we just have more mature people this forum who practice tolerance and cooperation.
You have to be very mature in life and rich in experience to develop this tolerance; this true self who can look outside of yourself and say; just hold on a second. Do I want to involve myself in fanning the flames for this individual. People with tolerance can step back and do that. People consumed with anger can not step back and say hold on a second. They just go at it unless the anger consumed themselves. This is what you are seeing unfold in America.
There will always be people who think that they have every right to change other people's opinion, thoughts and mindset. They are angry at themselves for a series of things they believe they didn't do enough to make themselves happy, so they go out there to force others to conform to their mindset. They are horses on blinders and it is impossible to reason with these people, because these people are totally consumed with anger. Anger dictates their actions. You see this the aftermath of what happens to anger in America.
Why then some people develop tolerance. It is life experience; it is with the maturity of a person and I am impressed that there are some young people here who have developed a certain measure of tolerance between differing opinions and not let their anger dictate and control their whole interaction with others.
The question is; why some people develop this form of anger that they need to express it out in the open using violence in America or using verbal abuse and putting others down in forums? Probably due to the income inequality between the haves and haves-not. They felt they tried so hard and worked so hard and they still have nothing to show for. They may be very talented in certain fields and these people sincerely know some things really well and usually these are the same people who would put themselves in upper privilege positions as Mr or Miss know it all. But deep down, they are angry and they are hurt. They had been left behind and they are crying out for some appreciation and so, they will bully others who disagree with them, because they are already angry and they see others as their enemies, as those people who are the cause of their anger. The truth of the matter is that, you can not resolve anger by bullying others in forums or in real life by hurting other people so you can vent that anger. You can only heal that anger by coming into realization that anger comes from the inequality that the rich and the power elite had created since the feudal society in Europe, which is prevalent in our current democracy. This was shown out in the open due to the COVID crisis. More violence and intolerance. This anger of inequality has always been there and has been brewing in forums, because that's how these people who are angry vent their anger.
This forum and other forums I am in have people who are simply tolerant of other's anger. We know not to fan the flames further, because that's how these people thrive. By encouraging you to fan the flames; to get you angry and go along with their epic dramas. They usually go away if you just ignore them enough. As some had said earlier; there were some militaristic people there were in this forum who set themselves up as the experts; as the defacto source and will get angry when someone else challenged their expertise. But where are they now? They are mostly gone once they realize they are not getting the satisfaction from the general population that it is not as easy to fan the flames anymore. They simply leave and go to another forum where people there will be less tolerant. The treatment of anger is tolerance; or the anti-thesis to anger is tolerance and we just have more mature people this forum who practice tolerance and cooperation.
You have to be very mature in life and rich in experience to develop this tolerance; this true self who can look outside of yourself and say; just hold on a second. Do I want to involve myself in fanning the flames for this individual. People with tolerance can step back and do that. People consumed with anger can not step back and say hold on a second. They just go at it unless the anger consumed themselves. This is what you are seeing unfold in America.
No, that's not what I said. In statistical analysis there are always outliers and anomalies. You take these for what they are but don't let them define the data set. This is one of those cases. I think if you look at the vast majority of threads here you'll see dissenting opinions that are met with civility and maybe even welcomed with open arms.
I don't deny it happens here, as we are all but humans and we are all prone somewhat to mob mentality, but I would argue it happens far less here. For example, when I was looking into buying an MBP for school a while back I was looking at the MBP forum and I couldn't find any usable information because every thread I looked at was so charged with emotion and there seemed to be very little in the way of objective information. That is in stark contrast to here, where we have a multitude of threads dedicated to someone chronicling their upgrade odyssey or wiki threads containing a wealth of important info of all sorts. This of course is all my opinion, but I do legitimately feel this forum is more accepting than others in many ways.
Truer words have never been spoken
That YT video assumed an "average user's*" POV and the respondents argued from an experienced user's POV.
*Oh, how I hate that expression...
Pretty much this. IIRC it was mostly his attitude that irked the members here. He didn't seem to do any research into any options to make his PowerPC usage better. It felt like he just bought a PPC Mac from eBay, booted it, tried to go to Youtube or whatever, and declared it useless. It was kind of frustrating to see the total lack of effort coupled with the complete willingness to pontificate anyway, especially since the members here have devoted so much time to getting the most out of these machines and have documented it thoroughly or even provided their work for free for the benefit of people just like him.
Nobody here is arguing that PPC computers are for everyone, and had he qualified his statements a bit and showed the various options, he would not have been met with as much hostility.
No one was forcing him to stay here and engage with the PPC community either. This site has plenty of other fora for other systems, and I honestly couldn't care less what system he uses, what really irked me was the fact that he tried to tell us that our passion and hobby projects are worthless even if we're just using them for fun (like I know I could use my MacBook or even my ThinkPad to update music on my iPod Mini but using my iBook G3 is so much more fun). That's just my take on it though.
Yep, and this annoys me too. But there are literally millions of similar videos/reports out there (on basically any topic you can imagine) which consequently have to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
So what?
That's just an opinion. Opinions are ten a penny.
I have a tendency to get worked up over what others say a little too easily sometimes. I do my best to keep it civil however. 😅So what?
You make a good point, the only person who can say what I'm doing is worthless is me.
If I recall correctly that was the whole point of the YT video and what the individual who was dogpiled onto was trying to point out.
People who hate things that literally have no relevance to them must have a lot of time on their hands. They're not being forced to use old machines, and yet they somehow care that others choose to. It's borderline creepy when you think about it. It's like being annoyed that someone drinks coffee when you prefer tea.
It's primitive ape brain stuff.
It's primitive ape brain stuff.
I didn't realize the Youtuber had participated in this forum. What is his nick?
So do I (and this was a problem when I was a kid because I'd frequently get into verbal arguments) but these days, my anger tends to fade away as quickly as it came.
Exactly.
It's a small child's pov. "Everyone likes what I like and hates what I hate."
I feel like you're taking what I said out of context. My statement in full (including the first part, which you omitted) was saying that while it still happens here, it happens with far less frequency than with other fora.
Not the YTer, the person defending them.
It might happen with less frequency but, like I said in my opening post, it still happens. You acknowledge it does so you have supported my statement.
That's not the way I saw it. If I recall correctly the "defender" clearly qualified their statements that he was referring to the average user just as the YTer had done. If I recall the discussion it went something like this:
YTer makes a video about how PPC systems are really not a good option to the average user to which someone on this forum disagreed with and, for reasons unknown, that someone had to post to this forum about how the YTer was wrong
The "defender" supported the statement (i.e. about the average user).
Forum dogpiled on the "defender" with all kinds of exceptional cases and clearly ignoring the "average user" qualifier. The amount of gyrations and spin people used twist those statements into something they were not (such as he was trying to tell you your passion and hobby was worthless). Perhaps you should go back and re-read the thread now that everyone has had time to cool down.
Ironically a few months later one of the premier forum participants purchased an Intel Mac as their DD, reinforcing the argument being made by the YTer and "defender".
Agree. But when given workarounds to some of the issues correctly pointed out in the video, their response tended to be something like "Why would anyone go through all that hassle?" as if we were idiots for doing it.
People are free to post to this forum what they want as long as it's not a violation of the rules - that's the very nature of a place like that. And iirc the person who posted it did so for informational purposes only without further commentary, not to throw stones at the YTer.
No one ever said it never happened at all though, the OP and others after them have all said that this is a nicer place than others and that other opinions are more widely accepted here. There are bound to be arguments, but that's just the nature of dealing with other people.
Quite a few of us use Intel Macs and even PCs as our DDs. I used to use a 2009 MacBook and this past June I got a ThinkPad for school. It's not as though we force people to use exclusively PPC hardware.