Offical: Macs Faster Than PCs

[hacurio1]

Re: Re: Offical: Macs Faster Than PCs

Originally posted by dongmin
I don't know where you got that a 1.8 ghz 970 is faster than a 3 ghz P4. It's not, at least according to SPEC scores. The P4 3 ghz edges out the 1.8ghz 970 by 5-10%. The MacBidouille benchmarks, which claimed some truly incredible performances, are highly dubious. Also remember that dual Xeons are the fastest PCs out there. The dual 2.0 ghz will no doubt give the Xeons a run for their money but we'll have to wait and see.

Also there were some reports recently that suggested only modestly faster performances than current G4s'. At least until they get the bugs out and optimize the OS for the new hardware.

Of course, I generally don't care about comparing Macs to PCs. What's truly remarkable is that the new top model should more than double the performance of the old top of the line. Amazing. When's the last time THAT happened? Another thing that's amazing: Apple has managed to upgrade EVERY aspect of the machine.

IMHO, I think that as of Monday, Macs once again will be the fastest PCs. The 3GHz P4 where only 5% faster on SPEC benchmarks than a 1.8GHz 970. The new PMs are up to 2GHz, not 1.8, and most important of all, they are dual. Add the possibility of up to 8Gb of memory, an you have the fastest personal computer ever! I know you can make quad Xeons, but they are on a different league (servers). Now as far as dual Xeons, I thin the dual 2Ghz will definitely give some good competition. Also, add into the mix the 1Ghz bus! Plus Altivec, and I think we have a winner. What I love is the fact that Mac won on the 64bit competition (not servers) in the personal computer segment; not even AMD, as was expected, won this race! Lets see what Intel comes up with. They will probably have to modify their roadmap after everything that is happening. I have read about Intel’s roadmap several times, but after all this, I'm not impressed anymore. Besides, did anybody saw the preview of panther? It looks awesome. I can't wait. We have the best OS, and now the best hardware (PowerMacs), and most of our programs (the important ones) are optimized for Altivec. This year looks like it's going to be a killer. Pentium.....toasted...LOL

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Not to be a downer... but even if its snowing in hell right now and Macs are faster than PCs... its not going to last.

What competition does Apple have to keep making processors faster? PCs have AMD vs Intel... and that's why the G4s of today are so slow. Apple just has to keep processors relatively fast... or keep optimizing operating systems to make the systems appear faster.

Apple has competition with the other 80% of the market. They have to compete with PCs because the people who buy render farms are the ones who care about a 5% speed advantage which can come out to saving a day on a larger render. Imagine a rack of dual GHz/970 xserves all clustered. Now imagine a room full of these racks. That could easily compete with any computer system on the planet if not pound it into dust.

Also the PPC970 is set for growth. IBM is on the verge if not already in the process of moving to a 90nm die. The industry buzz I have heard says this could easily jump MHz speed up 50%. If it truly turns out that IBM was cautious about their original estimage of 1.2-1.8GHz and has succeded in achieving 2GHz from the initial batches (early I might add) then that means we could easily be at 3GHz before years end.

It finally looks like Apple is rising off the bottom and instead of making a steady climb back into the light is going full throttle at the sun and there is no end in site. This could truly be another golden age for us Mac users.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by MacBandit
It finally looks like Apple is rising off the bottom and instead of making a steady climb back into the light is going full throttle at the sun and there is no end in site. This could truly be another golden age for us Mac users.

I hope you're right.

Just for the record... when the 970 benchmarks come out and if they really blow away the G4... all the people who constantly bickered about G4s vs P4s and that G4s weren't dated have to admit they were wrong...

 

[RandomDeadHead]

It finally looks like Apple is rising off the bottom and instead of making a steady climb back into the light is going full throttle at the sun and there is no end in site. This could truly be another golden age for us Mac users.

God I hope so!

 

[ddtlm]

hacurio1:

IMHO, I think that as of Monday, Macs once again will be the fastest PCs.

Yeah cause your trying to pit two 2.0ghz PPC970's against one Pentium 4. Prices are not yet known, and in fact I guess we don't even know that Apple is releasing what they seem to be releasing, but anyway I bet you can bring a dual Xeon or dual Opteron to the party for the same money as a dual PPC970.

Now as far as dual Xeons, I thin the dual 2Ghz will definitely give some good competition. Also, add into the mix the 1Ghz bus!

A dual Opteron typically would have no external FSB and sport quad-channel DDR, which crushes the 1ghz bus and currently unknown RAM setup. Apple is more compeditive, and maybe the fastest, but lets remember that this is a very compeditive field.

What I love is the fact that Mac won on the 64bit competition (not servers) in the personal computer segment; not even AMD, as was expected, won this race!

Heh, lets wait and see what S.J. has to say monday before concluding this. Anyway, some of us could have already gone for Linux Opteron desktops if we'd wanted, or gotten a low-end Sun. But yeah it appears that Apple will be the first to the mass market with 64 bits, whatever good that does them.

This year looks like it's going to be a killer. Pentium.....toasted...LOL

It is very shortsighted to discount Intel. So their 18-month old Pentium 4 might be slower than Apple's not released G5... Intel has plans.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Lots not forget to mention price. I just built my GF a new computer this week...

2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 (800 MHz FSB)
WD 36.7 GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Buffer SATA Raptor Hard Drive
Corsair 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
ATI Radeon 9000 PRO AGP 4X 128MB DDR
Liteon 52x24x52 CD-RW Drive
+case, ergo keyboard, LAN card, sound card, laser mouse and $50 speakers

All for $1,600... not to mention that includes a top of the line 17" Samsung LCD.

So a $3,000 Mac, not including a monitor, better beat a Pentium 4. And for all the people saying the new components will cost Apple too much money, rubbish.

Edit- and before I get flamed, this was a pro mac post, just saying that computer components and technology isn't as expensive as some of you think.

 

[dongmin]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Lots not forget to mention price. I just built my GF a new computer this week...

2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 (800 MHz FSB)
WD 36.7 GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Buffer SATA Raptor Hard Drive
Corsair 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
ATI Radeon 9000 PRO AGP 4X 128MB DDR
Liteon 52x24x52 CD-RW Drive
+case, ergo keyboard, LAN card, sound card, laser mouse and $50 speakers

All for $1,600... not to mention that includes a top of the line 17" Samsung LCD.

So a $3,000 Mac, not including a monitor, better beat a Pentium 4. And for all the people saying the new components will cost Apple too much money, rubbish.

Edit- and before I get flamed, this was a pro mac post, just saying that computer components and technology isn't as expensive as some of you think.

I'm not gonna flame you b/c this is such a tired old issue and people have been flamed plenty of times, on both sides. But if you're gonna compare PCs to Macs, at least compare a reputed manufacturer like Dell to Apple, not some home-made PC. Then add all the goodies that the new PM will come pre-loaded with, like Gigabit Ethernet, 4x Superdrives, Airport and Bluetooth ready, Firewire 800 + FW 400, 3 USB 2.0, optical audio, PCI-X, and AGP 8x. Not to mention all the great software like iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, etc.

Considering that the dual 2 ghz 970 will be at comparable performance levels as a dual Xeon 3 ghz (which cost a pretty penny), I think the Macs will actually be very price competitive again. Finally. Right now the 'Fastest' PMs go for $2700. If they can keep the dual 2 ghz 970 for under 3 grand, I think we'll have some massive massive backorders.

 

[Cubeboy]

Considering that the PPC970 is about the equal of the Pentium 4 on the core level (from the SPECmarks), I would expect it to be significantly faster than the Pentium 4 in Altivec optimized programs which is really what's important since most rendering/video editing programs used by Powermac users take advantage of Altivec.

Regarding cost, how much does SRAM cost these days?
2.6 megs of SRAM on .18 micron process in the current Powermacs has to increase it's cost by a substantial amount.

 

[hacurio1]

Originally posted by ddtlm
hacurio1:


Yeah cause your trying to pit two 2.0ghz PPC970's against one Pentium 4. Prices are not yet known, and in fact I guess we don't even know that Apple is releasing what they seem to be releasing, but anyway I bet you can bring a dual Xeon or dual Opteron to the party for the same money as a dual PPC970.


A dual Opteron typically would have no external FSB and sport quad-channel DDR, which crushes the 1ghz bus and currently unknown RAM setup. Apple is more compeditive, and maybe the fastest, but lets remember that this is a very compeditive field.


Heh, lets wait and see what S.J. has to say monday before concluding this. Anyway, some of us could have already gone for Linux Opteron desktops if we'd wanted, or gotten a low-end Sun. But yeah it appears that Apple will be the first to the mass market with 64 bits, whatever good that does them.


It is very shortsighted to discount Intel. So their 18-month old Pentium 4 might be slower than Apple's not released G5... Intel has plans.

Yeah….. yeah, I know next year (Q1) Intel will be coming out with the PV, which is supposed to have a 1024Mhz bus, but it doesn’t impress me as much as it did before. It doesn’t matter if I put a dual PM against a single PIV, both of them are the fastest in their categories (PCs). Many, of course, will argue that the PM will finally have work station performance and that it shall be compared to Xeons, not PIV, but the fact is that which ever way you see it, On Monday the PM will be one of the faster PCs, and a very competitive workstation (performance wise, because price we don’t know). And I know about the Operton workstations, but please compare them with the power4+/power5, not a PowerMac 970. If you want to compare the 970s to AMDs, use the upcoming 1.8Ghz Athlons 64 3400, not the Opertons. Give credit were credit is due!

 

[ipodonly]

"But if you're gonna compare PCs to Macs, at least compare a reputed manufacturer like Dell to Apple, not some home-made PC. Then add all the goodies that the new PM will come pre-loaded with, like Gigabit Ethernet, 4x Superdrives, Airport and Bluetooth ready, Firewire 800 + FW 400, 3 USB 2.0, optical audio, PCI-X, and AGP 8x. Not to mention all the great software like iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, etc."

ok this post is in response to all the idiots claiming "performance" leadership. First off, to the idiot above, anybody who knows anything knows that a well built "home-pc" is better than anything that the big vendors can serve up. Secondly, if you idiots knew anything you would not make any claims without multiple reputable independent benchmarking. Thirdly, oops! i cant seem to find one of these power macs for sale? LOL
You idiots are in dreamland. At least wait till the friggin thing comes out. Oh, some idiot(s) claim that macs have the best software and now the best hardware.
1. i didnt know 3dmax runs on the mac? I remember using photoshop yesterday on my pc. hmmmm. I always get a laugh when im in the crapper browsing through Macaddict mag (fyi- my gf is a mac-ster) and laughing at how backwards the software is. ie: "UNREAL TOURNAMENT HAS ARRIVED" LOL - ive had it since september. its the may issue!
2. lets see ive been using a radeon 9700 pro since LAST november. Last i checked theres a 9800 pro out. Yeah macs have the best hardware.... FROM 9 MONTHS AGO!

Keep dreaming mac-sters. Fact is, until (whenever that is) the new power macs ship, you're stuck with an ultra inferior $4000 machine. When these overpriced macs finally do come out do you think intel (im a amd person) will be sitting at 3ghz? 3ghz is already kinda old news already. AND WHEN THIS DAY ARRIVES we compare to see whos top dog. Id bet the house on intel/amd. "PENTIUM CRUSHING G4" LOL remember that?

btw- i own an ipod 20 gb- great great product. im also an established graphic designer in nyc (who cares, right!?)

 

[hvfsl]

The reason I say that the new PMs should be cheaper is that in the UK new componants are cheaper than old. For example DDR333 RAM is cheaper than PC133. Also the G4 PMs have two chips in them where as the first two PMs in the new G5 range have only one. While some of the newer componants may be more expensive than the old, the most it will increase costs by is $180 (going by the differences in prices at www.ebuyer.com). The fact that the the PPC970 costs less than the G4 and that only one PPC970 is being used per machine (expect the high end), the price of a G5 Mac should be less than a G4.

Also about PPC970 versus P4, the benchmarks I saw showed the PPC970 being a lot faster than the P4 3Ghz in 3D and fpu operations.

Also about the previous post, I said that Macs have the best OS, not software. Although all the programs I need are on the Mac. I prefer Maya to studio max.

 

[hacurio1]

Originally posted by ipodonly
"But if you're gonna compare PCs to Macs, at least compare a reputed manufacturer like Dell to Apple, not some home-made PC. Then add all the goodies that the new PM will come pre-loaded with, like Gigabit Ethernet, 4x Superdrives, Airport and Bluetooth ready, Firewire 800 + FW 400, 3 USB 2.0, optical audio, PCI-X, and AGP 8x. Not to mention all the great software like iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, etc."

ok this post is in response to all the idiots claiming "performance" leadership. First off, to the idiot above, anybody who knows anything knows that a well built "home-pc" is better than anything that the big vendors can serve up. Secondly, if you idiots knew anything you would not make any claims without multiple reputable independent benchmarking. Thirdly, oops! i cant seem to find one of these power macs for sale? LOL
You idiots are in dreamland. At least wait till the friggin thing comes out. Oh, some idiot(s) claim that macs have the best software and now the best hardware.
1. i didnt know 3dmax runs on the mac? I remember using photoshop yesterday on my pc. hmmmm. I always get a laugh when im in the crapper browsing through Macaddict mag (fyi- my gf is a mac-ster) and laughing at how backwards the software is. ie: "UNREAL TOURNAMENT HAS ARRIVED" LOL - ive had it since september. its the may issue!
2. lets see ive been using a radeon 9700 pro since LAST november. Last i checked theres a 9800 pro out. Yeah macs have the best hardware.... FROM 9 MONTHS AGO!

Keep dreaming mac-sters. Fact is, until (whenever that is) the new power macs ship, you're stuck with an ultra inferior $4000 machine. When these overpriced macs finally do come out do you think intel (im a amd person) will be sitting at 3ghz? 3ghz is already kinda old news already. AND WHEN THIS DAY ARRIVES we compare to see whos top dog. Id bet the house on intel/amd. "PENTIUM CRUSHING G4" LOL remember that?

btw- i own an ipod 20 gb- great great product. im also an established graphic designer in nyc (who cares, right!?)

hey newbie, since when was 3dmax the best 3D software? LOL, you are just upset arn't you? How About Shake, Finalcutpro, DVD studio pro, audio software like logic (I Know there are some PC versions, but the mac ones are better). Last time I heard, high end render farms use linix, not windows, oh well. Ask Pixar?

 

[ipodonly]

Originally posted by hacurio1
hey newbie, since when was 3dmax the best 3D software? LOL, you are just upset arn't you? How About Shake, Finalcutpro, DVD studio pro, audio software like logic (I Know there are some PC versions, but the mac ones are better). Last time I heard, high end render farms use linix, not windows, oh well. Ask Pixar?

whos getting upset? im just responding to idiots like you who make claims based on rumours. Claims like having the BEST software and now the BEST hardware. Theres no BEST 3d software. Different situations (functionality/money etc etc) call for different solutions. 3dmax is one of the best 3d packages out there (try a google search to learn something about it newbie) for various reasons. Fact is, 3d max is not avail on mac.

Fact is, im a power user and i want the best performing machine i can get my hands on. Fact is, that platform is based on intel/amd.
Fact is, its not even close. Fact is, a lot of hardware and software, if they're ever released on mac platform, gets released much later. Fact is, you idiots cant let go of that pretty little toy no matter how far it lags behind.

 

[ibookin']

Originally posted by ipodonly
Fact is, im a power user and i want the best performing machine i can get my hands on. Fact is, that platform is based on intel/amd.
Fact is, its not even close. Fact is, a lot of hardware and software, if they're ever released on mac platform, gets released much later. Fact is, you idiots cant let go of that pretty little toy no matter how far it lags behind.

You make a good point about why the Mac is lagging on professional arenas such a 3D.

However, the point of this thread is that Intel/AMD being the speed kings is now not the case. Should most of the reports on the PPC 970 chip be true, the machine Apple is almost certain to introduce on Monday will indeed be the fastest personal computer in the world.

Your statement that "its not even close" does not take into consideration what is coming down the pipe. While Macs are lagging significantly at this point, come Monday this will change dramatically, as I said before. Again, the point of this thread.

Furthermore, I do not like being called an "idiot who can't let go of that pretty little toy". My "pretty little toys" serve my computing needs well. I don't do 3D work, but then again I don't want/need to. Sure it may run Photoshop a little slower than my Athlon, sure it may not be able to run 3DMax, but it gets the job done better than my Athlon does for coding, browsing the web, working with photos, writing papers, etc.

I don't feel like trading OS X for a small performance gain. And yes, I am a switcher. And now, I don't have to choose. I can have the fastest hardware and OS X at the same time. This thread is not referring to any 3D package being the "best", as it shouldn't, rather that we have the best desktop OS, and now the best desktop hardware too.

On a side note: My 1000th post. Let the congratulatory congratulations roll in!

 

[Rower_CPU]

ipodonly, stop with the insults. It will get you banned in a hurry.

1st warning.

 

[ipodonly]

Originally posted by ibookin'
However, the point of this thread is that Intel/AMD being the speed kings is now not the case. Should most of the reports on the PPC 970 chip be true, the machine Apple is almost certain to introduce on Monday will indeed be the fastest personal computer in the world.

Your statement that "its not even close" does not take into consideration what is coming down the pipe. While Macs are lagging significantly at this point, come Monday this will change dramatically, as I said before. Again, the point of this thread.

ATI "introduced" the much anticipated Radeon 8500 with incredible specs and "benchmarks" to back it up. When it hit the shelves it was "exposed" and was a major disappointment. Marketing hype/paper releases always look great. Photoshop demos at apple conferences are always impressive. AMD opteron was supposed to have arrived last year. Until we get the product in our hands, its all heresay.

What i know is that im in front of a screen 8+ hours/day. My main rig is an amd xp 2400/creative audigy sound/Klipsch 5.1 promedia speakers/Radeon 9700 pro/1gb ddr333 memory/20 inch viewsonic pro series lcd and a iiyama pro 454 19in crt hookup.
I also have a g4 700 mhz and a last generation g3 powerbook. I use these to check for compatibility issues - i do a lot of web work
(these were given to me when an internet-era agency i worked for closed down)
My gf has dual g4 700.
We both work from home and all i know is my machine is much faster, sounds better, and has a lot less problems. I also know she paid a lot more for her system (minus my 20 inch lcd)

Macs look great and they're all over museums and other trendy places. Mac osX is great. These might be enough for people to buy macs. Here in the nyc its probably the biggest reason. But please dont bring up performance claims with nothing to back it up besides paper.

 

[ipodonly]

QuoteUnquote

Tomorrow AMD will change the world and I'm not Steve Jobs, so we're going to change the real world.

- AMD founder and chairman Jerry Sanders, the day before the Opteron launch

 

[Rower_CPU]

Really? A 2.4 GHz system is faster than a dual 700Mhz?!?!? No way!

Realize you're not comparing equivalent systems, and don't base your entire opinion of Macs on the few machines you've come into contact with.

 

[Cubeboy]

Originally posted by hacurio1
Yeah….. yeah, I know next year (Q1) Intel will be coming out with the PV, which is supposed to have a 1024Mhz bus, but it doesn’t impress me as much as it did before. It doesn’t matter if I put a dual PM against a single PIV, both of them are the fastest in their categories (PCs). Many, of course, will argue that the PM will finally have work station performance and that it shall be compared to Xeons, not PIV, but the fact is that which ever way you see it, On Monday the PM will be one of the faster PCs, and a very competitive workstation (performance wise, because price we don’t know). And I know about the Operton workstations, but please compare them with the power4+/power5, not a PowerMac 970. If you want to compare the 970s to AMDs, use the upcoming 1.8Ghz Athlons 64 3400, not the Opertons. Give credit were credit is due!

Not just a faster FSB, twice the L2 cache, twice the L1 cache, larger trace cache, lower latency, better branch prediction, additional write buffers, more efficient hyperthreading (expect around a 40% boost in multitheaded apps this time around), SSE3, higher physical address (2^40), higher trace cache bandwidth, more instructions in flight, and nearly every other aspect of the processor is improved (load and store buffers, integer and floating point register files). All in all, I'm expecting at least a 25% increase in core clock to clock performance and that's a conservative estimate not including SSE3 and Hyperthreading. Meaning that a 3.2 GHz Prescott will be the equivalent of a 4 GHz Pentium 4. Not only that, Prescott is expected to scale to at least 5 GHz. Also, it's scheduled to launch 4Q this year.

Faster/ More Efficient FSB: +5%
Larger L2 Cache: +5%
Larger Data Cache: +5%
Larger Trace Cache+Better Prefetch:+5%
Lower Latency+Architectural Improvements:+5%
Total Clock to Clock Improvement: +25%

 

[BaghdadBob]

To our esteemed uniquely professional new friend...

OK, first off of course we are "responding to rumors." It's a rumor site! Duh!

Secondly...uhh...the G4 WAS faster than the Pentium. If you had been following the action with the AIM deal you would know why things are where they are today, and you wouldn't be laughing, because it's not going down like that again. You PC weenies (Rower, can I get an insult in here? It's only fair) always react like this when something good is coming for the Mac.

Thirdly, you're right, no one does care what you do for a living. Or where you live. Lots of people live and work in NYC, and frankly, I don't give much more of a crap about their opinions than ones I can get in Chattanooga, TN about what the best computers are. Because they use them out there, too. Many, if not most of us here have sat in front of a computer for 8+ hours a day for a living. I've been in front of a computer for 10-12 hours a day for weeks on end at times, and there are folks here who would laugh at that. Heartily.

Don't walk in here and think anyone is impressed. We're not. And believe me, we're the ones doing the laughing, because good things are coming along, and you PC snobs just can't stand it. You never can.

Oh, and calling it a $4000 "ultra-inferior" computer tips your hand a little bit. They may have been inferior in speed, but no one coming from an objective standpoint would ever call them "ultra-inferior" because its quite simply false.

We'll see how it goes down. But don't be an idiot (in writing, anyway).

 

[ibookin']

Originally posted by ipodonly
ATI "introduced" the much anticipated Radeon 8500 with incredible specs and "benchmarks" to back it up. When it hit the shelves it was "exposed" and was a major disappointment. Marketing hype/paper releases always look great. Photoshop demos at apple conferences are always impressive. AMD opteron was supposed to have arrived last year. Until we get the product in our hands, its all heresay.

Point taken, though there are differences here. The fact that ATI and AMD can't seem to get their crap together does not change the fact that IBM has a history of making chips that work as promised. But, yes, I was just a little bit skeptical of everything having to do with the 970 until I saw the specs on apple.com. Why would they be up there if the machine didn't exist? Why should Apple ruin their credibility, and their stock price?

What i know is that im in front of a screen 8+ hours/day. My main rig is an amd xp 2400/creative audigy sound/Klipsch 5.1 promedia speakers/Radeon 9700 pro/1gb ddr333 memory/20 inch viewsonic pro series lcd and a iiyama pro 454 19in crt hookup.
I also have a g4 700 mhz and a last generation g3 powerbook. I use these to check for compatibility issues - i do a lot of web work
(these were given to me when an internet-era agency i worked for closed down)
My gf has dual g4 700.
We both work from home and all i know is my machine is much faster, sounds better, and has a lot less problems. I also know she paid a lot more for her system (minus my 20 inch lcd)

That's nice. I also know quite a few creative professionals on and off this site who use Macs as their daily design machines, and wouldn't want to use anything else.

Macs look great and they're all over museums and other trendy places. Mac osX is great. These might be enough for people to buy macs. Here in the nyc its probably the biggest reason. But please dont bring up performance claims with nothing to back it up besides paper.

I resent your continued implications that the Mac is just some pretty toy, and real work is done on other kinds of computers. Also, as a designer, you should know that aesthetics are of great importance. My PC has an ugly case, ugly OS, and ugly software for the most part. It is sitting under my desk headless right now, controlled via a RDC on my iMac.

Here in L.A., go to a top-end recording studio (and I have been in a few, my dads company builds them), and you will find (surprise, surprise) G4 towers in the edit rooms. Having Windows machines would probably give one studio I've been in less of a high-end appeal. My PC using dad says that nearly every studio owner he talks to standardizes on Macs because they are the "cool" computers, and they get the job done to boot.

Macs are not just toys. If you want me to elaborate on the studio I talked about briefly say so.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by dongmin
But if you're gonna compare PCs to Macs, at least compare a reputed manufacturer like Dell to Apple, not some home-made PC.

Hehe, that made me laugh, lol.

 

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by iJon
I doubt SATA will be that much more then what we have now, cant be to drastic. i would assume 8x agp is the same price as 4x, kind of like usb 2 and 1. i dont think lower prices will come, i just have a feeling they will make the powermac worth the money.

iJon

SATA is already out for PCs, and it's more expensive.

 

[ddtlm]

Catfish_Man:

Yeah but thats just cause its new and low production. If Apple signs up to buy tens of thousands of SATA components I'm sure their cost overhead is minimal, and decreasing all the time.

 

[Adobe75]

Bake-off

Well, if we see a few macs as well as a PC-looking creature on stage on Monday, we can be certain that there will be G5s, and the long-awaited BAKE-OFF!!!
It seems that over the last few macworlds the number of CPUs on stage has decreased dramatically. I remember MWNY 2001 they had like ten computers on stage; that's where rubenstien did his little presentation on clock speed and they did the last bake-off I can remember with the Quicksilvers and the Spiderman trailer encoding.... i wonder what they will test this time :-D