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Offical: Macs Faster Than PCs

Originally posted by ipodonly
LOL@you fools
ok folks, give me the OFFICIAL reason why mac users comprise south of 2% of all pc users.
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-ipodonly

Now I know you're not really a Mac user. There is a big difference between Market Share and Installled Base.

Apple users comprise a bit over 11% of all computers being used.

I cant wait for the responses.
Cant wait till monday huh? To confirm that you spent $4000
on an underachieving machine and must spend another $4000 to hypothetically "catch up?" yeah baby!

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Groovsonic
Hey! What is Rolls Royces marketshare? I bet it's less than 2%. They certianly aren't the fastest cars around... I guess only "idiots" would want one, right?

Secondly, you live in New York. According to your logic, New York is lousy and unimportant, and only idiots live there. After all, NYC is only 2/10 of 1% of the worlds population. Why would anyone care about what happens there? After all, it certianly dosen't have the highest standard of living or the lowest crime or the least pollution in the world..


(no offense intended to NYers, just making a point)
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i didnt know a rolls royce had a lagging underachieving engine.
help me out here.

as for ny reference, i was just making a point as to why many people here buy macs. its the way it looks rather than the way it performs. why cant you comprehend that? there is nothing wrong with buying something that looks good. fact is, macs performance (for the nth time) is crap compared to whats avail on a pc platform.
 
Originally posted by Catfish_Man
SATA is already out for PCs, and it's more expensive.
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I know sata is out, im just saying i dont think it will be so expensive over ATA 100 to justify a 1000-2000 dollar price increase like some people are expecting.

iJon
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
as for ny reference, i was just making a point as to why many people here buy macs. its the way it looks rather than the way it performs.
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HAHA that was a good one. its how it works, not how it looks. Us mac users just get the benifit of having a computer that actually looks like something to be proud off. trust me, i work with people everyday and there decisions on buying macs, and they dont say I want that iMac because it looks cool, that is one thing, but one of the many things. I smell a troll.

iJon
 
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Uggg... you're so wrong. Home-built PCs are no longer vastly cheaper than pre-builts. The only difference is you get better performance and higher quality parts. I just customized a 2.8 Ghz 800 MHz FSB Dell with a 17" LCD for $100 less than my home-built... same RAM, et cetera... so my comparison is very just.
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Sorry, you are so wrong my friend. While it is true that home built PCs are no longer that much cheaper than a pre built machine, they still are cheaper. Case-in-point: you and other people here telling us how great of a PC system you built, and then giving the low price. If it weren't lower than what Dell or Gateway sells it for, you wouldn't have made it yourself.

The whole point to my post was that you simply can't do this with Macs. I can't build my own Mac for any amount of money. If I could, I am sure the price would be lower (probably much lower), just like home built PCs are still cheaper to make than pre built ones.

And about your home built vs. the Dell you configured. Needless to say that we all know how fast PC prices drop. Unless you built your PC within the last month, you probably bought the parts at much higher prices, which have since dropped. So even a newer, faster machine is cheaper than your older one. Such is the beast of technology.

Invalid comparison. :)
 
Re: Re: Psychology of the peecee weenie

Originally posted by ipodonly
ummmm. quake3 is a 5 year old game. try playing a more up to date game. lol
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Actually the commercial version of Quake 3 Arena was released on December 12 1999, making it little less than 3.5 years old, if your going to attempt to flame me with something completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, at least get it close to being right.

It seems that you can't comprehend the logic behind using a well known benchmark and game to drive home the point I made.
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
LOL@you fools
ok folks, give me the OFFICIAL reason why mac users comprise south of 2% of all pc users. I cant wait for the responses.
Cant wait till monday huh? To confirm that you spent $4000
on an underachieving machine and must spend another $4000 to hypothetically "catch up?" yeah baby!
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Less than 2% of all users huh? Apple's market share as of Jan '03 was 3% in the US and world wide the total percent of Mac users is around 11%.


Lethal
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
i didnt know a rolls royce had a lagging underachieving engine.
help me out here.

as for ny reference, i was just making a point as to why many people here buy macs. its the way it looks rather than the way it performs. why cant you comprehend that? there is nothing wrong with buying something that looks good. fact is, macs performance (for the nth time) is crap compared to whats avail on a pc platform.
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If by "performance" you mean raw speed then I agree w/you. But if by "performance" you mean how well it performs then that is debatable and, like I mentioned in a previous post, is dependent on what you need to do w/your computer.


Lethal

Edited for clarity.
 
Originally posted by Freg3000
Case-in-point: you and other people here telling us how great of a PC system you built, and then giving the low price. If it weren't lower than what Dell or Gateway sells it for, you wouldn't have made it yourself.
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Ummm... I just said I built the computer and the Dell is cheaper. I ordered the parts for the PC 2 days ago... and as I pointed out the parts I'm using are much better and I'll have a much greater performance gain. Not all PC users are cheap :)

And I'm not telling people how great PCs are (I'm going to buy a PPC 970 powerbook the day it comes out). I'm just saying Apple has no excuse to jack up the prices for the new PPC 970s...

P.S. Valid Comparison :)
 
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Ummm... I just said I built the computer and the Dell is cheaper. I ordered the parts for the PC 2 days ago... and as I pointed out the parts I'm using are much better and I'll have a much greater performance gain. Not all PC users are cheap :)

And I'm not telling people how great PCs are (I'm going to buy a PPC 970 powerbook the day it comes out). I'm just saying Apple has no excuse to jack up the prices for the new PPC 970s...

P.S. Valid Comparison :)
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Well, if you are using better parts that will yield a performance gain, of course they will be more expensive. The PC you built will obviously be more expensive. I suppose I am missing something that you are saying because you seem very intelligent.

I agree with you about the PPC 970, Apple should NOT jack up the prices.

Undetermined Validity :)
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Less than 2% of all users huh? Apple's market share as of Jan '03 was 3% in the US and world wide the total percent of Mac users is around 11%.


Lethal
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Also windows PCs only make up about 80% of all computers used or sold. So saying that macs are only 2% of all PC users would be totally incorect. You would have to compare the 11% installed Mac base to the 80% installed winpc base and illiminate all other personal computers you get a total of Macs making up nearly 14% of all personal computers. If ipodonly is going to be an idiot he should at least do his friggin research first. Also if he hates macs so much for being different and useless he should get rid of his ipod as it would have never spawned from a windows based mac world. Also there is a terrific article in the back of the current MacWorld explaining how an Intel based Mac would be the downfall of Apple altogether. Mac computer hardware makes up 75% of there multi-billion dollar revenue and if they went Intel it would be very hard to prevent people from hacking OSX since it's based on opensource software and making it run on any Intel hardware.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
Any USB mouse and any speaker system can work with any modern Apple machine. If you the speaker system requires digital output you can get the hardware from M-Audio. USB mice just work plug them in and go. If it has more then 2 buttons and a scroll wheel then you will have to get a cheap 3rd party program called USB overdrive if the manufacturor doesn't already support the Mac.
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I have a five button mouse and scroll wheel, and I don't use USB overdrive. Works just fine, 0 extra dollars. :D
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
ok, we can never have "equivalent" comparisons like we can have amd vs intel. first off, an amd 2400+ is not a 2.4 ghz system.
its actually less (google search for more info on nomenclature). Dont take my words for it- do a simple "mac vs pc search." The results are ugly! secondly, i have quite a bit of experience with macs and have a lot of communication with mac users. Ive worked in agencies and almost all its designers are on macs. I have a lot of friends who use macs. I have 2 macs of my own for christ sakes! Point is, i choose to use a PC because its a better overall machine. PC platform simply has better hardware and better overall software. Im talking "overall" so dont start spewing out "what about itunes?!" etc. etc. This is the reality.
Can you even get a dual optical mouse for the mac? what about a pair of speakers that are a step up from those bland Harmon Kardons? My gf has the subwoofer set and she comes over to my computer when she wants to play music. Btw- you fools dont realize what the analysts are saying/recommending: "apple will benefit by eventually going to an amd/intel chip" -- enough said.
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SCREW INTEL.... I wouldn't buy a Mac with an Intel... People that say this don't know what they're talking about... Why the hell are you on a Mac board if you're such a PC fan??? And, DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE CRAP THAT IS WINDOZE.... The most UNSTABLE (from personal experience with NT, etc) OS on the fricking world... Games? BUY AN XBOX...
 
ALSO... Don't you know anything about USB??? I'm using a three button optical mouse right now... Jeeeeesh...
 
Originally posted by VIREBEL661
SCREW INTEL.... I wouldn't buy a Mac with an Intel... People that say this don't know what they're talking about... Why the hell are you on a Mac board if you're such a PC fan??? And, DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE CRAP THAT IS WINDOZE.... The most UNSTABLE (from personal experience with NT, etc) OS on the fricking world... Games? BUY AN XBOX...
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for the record, i was doing some research for my gf because she was fed up having to go on my pc rig applying PS filters/feathering to save time. shes got a dual g4 700 w/ith a gig of ram. i came across article re: NEW POWER MACS.... and she got excited. Shes not much of a hardware/specs person. Thats how i came across this board. Immediately catching my eye was "Macs faster than Pcs" - Macs are MUCH SLOWER than Pcs people. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. of course regulars here responded with everything from better software to apples being equivalent to rolls royces etc etc. Before all you surrealists bring up the "wait till monday" crap- please remember, paper releases are for you suckers to get excited and to start saving your money.
 
Re: Re: Re: Psychology of the peecee weenie

Originally posted by Cubeboy
Actually the commercial version of Quake 3 Arena was released on December 12 1999, making it little less than 3.5 years old, if your going to attempt to flame me with something completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, at least get it close to being right.

It seems that you can't comprehend the logic behind using a well known benchmark and game to drive home the point I made.
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sorry about that. its hard to remember dates for ancient games.
lets see if you can back up your "logic".
give me benchmarks for unreal tournament 2003 at 1280x1024 w/AA and Anisotropic Filtering on

thank you. next!
wait. did you get a chance to buy the game yet since it just came out for the mac?
 
macs are good looking machines. i prefer alienware rigs but im not even going to get into that.
in any case, is it really worth it to sit there for 2 hours in after effects when you can do it in 1? they better look good because you got all that time just sitting there looking at that status bar!
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
macs are good looking machines. i prefer alienware rigs but im not even going to get into that.
in any case, is it really worth it to sit there for 2 hours in after effects when you can do it in 1? they better look good because you got all that time just sitting there looking at that status bar!
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can i ask why you are here, you are obviously trolling and no one cares. your name says it all. i do agree with you one thing, the car analogies are really stupid and never make sense. we already know your knowledge on macs because you say people buy them for looks, that already shows me how much you know. im gonna advise everyone else on this thread that this is the last post we say something to you. see you later and let us know how many extra numbers your pull in 3d mark 2001.

iJon
 
The troll has been dealt with, but not because he thinks PCs are better than Macs. Let this be a lesson to people who think they can get away with insulting others on the forums.
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
The troll has been dealt with, but not because he thinks PCs are better than Macs. Let this be a lesson to people who think they can get away with insulting others on the forums.
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Yes, calling people idiots is very immature and is not needed in the MacRumors forums.
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
for the record, i was doing some research for my gf because she was fed up having to go on my pc rig applying PS filters/feathering to save time. shes got a dual g4 700 w/ith a gig of ram. i came across article re: NEW POWER MACS.... and she got excited. Shes not much of a hardware/specs person. Thats how i came across this board. Immediately catching my eye was "Macs faster than Pcs" - Macs are MUCH SLOWER than Pcs people. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. of course regulars here responded with everything from better software to apples being equivalent to rolls royces etc etc. Before all you surrealists bring up the "wait till monday" crap- please remember, paper releases are for you suckers to get excited and to start saving your money.
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AGAIN, as pointed out by another poster - YES, Mac's are currently 'slower' than PC's, but this will flip the other way soon - just as it did when the 604 and the G3 came out (remember the Apple commercials with the pentium ii on the snail?)... ALSO - these processors perform better than Intel at half the speed in some cases.... And, WHAT ABOUT THE OS???? Jeeeesh.... Windoze can't hold a candle to X, not even in the same building... If you dispute the power of Unix, then you're really smoking something....
 
why do people defend a platform so much?

its a computer. i dont brag about spending 8+ hrs in front of a monitor. i brag about finding free time in the woods away from it all. mac, wintel, sun, they all suck.

ok, we all must have our toys....
 
thanks rower, he needed to be dealt with. he brought nothing but trouble.

iJon
 
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