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Office for Mac 2011 Launches October 26th

I'm not sure the upgrade is worth it for me. I'm not a heavy PowerPoint user, and when I do use it, I tend to use Keynote instead. As for Excel, 08 works just fine for what I need it to do.

I do think that word is now much stronger and had I still been at my last job where Entourage was a headache, I would have upgraded. But I have no use for 2011 and I'm quite happy with 2008 + Keynote. :D
 
Need to know about excel

I have a question about excel in Office 2011. My daughter in college is having trouble using the earlier mac version 2008 (she is used to the 2010 PC version in school). With the new version will she be able to do descriptive statistics, relative frequency diagrams, cumulative frequency diagram and histograms. If anyone has a copy could they post a thumbnail of the charts tab in the ribbon. Thanks.
 
Powerpoint vs Keynote, just my .02

I still LOVE Keynote to death for any and all presentations I must present, but I downloaded coughcough 2011 for PowerPoint - it just makes collaborating on a group presentation easier (since the majority of mac users don't even use keynote). One big feature I fell in love with (and I don't recall seeing it in earlier versions, but don't quote me on that) is the broadcasting feature for browser-based presentations in real time. Best part is, it ACTUALLY WORKS (which I never expected from MS). If Apple put this function into Keynote I'd never look back, despite the four bounces it takes versus 2011's two (seriously, that ***** is fast...)
 
osxpete said:
I have a question about excel in Office 2011. My daughter in college is having trouble using the earlier mac version 2008 (she is used to the 2010 PC version in school). With the new version will she be able to do descriptive statistics, relative frequency diagrams, cumulative frequency diagram and histograms. If anyone has a copy could they post a thumbnail of the charts tab in the ribbon. Thanks.
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This is from the released 2011 version.
 

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batchtaster said:
That's just plain ignorant and bloody-minded. You haven't even tried the Mac implementation, and you're conveniently ignoring the fact it can be turned off entirely. If you want to live with the well-documented and known limitations and problems in 2008 just because you want to be pigheaded just for the sake of it, then whatever on that. A feature you've never even used that can be disabled? That's the most ridiculous reason of all not to upgrade.
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He's simply probably just not used to the idea of "options" or "disabled" being used to Apple products and all. I mean Steve Jobs never heard of the word OPTIONS. He likes to just force his favorite settings on everyone. So I think you have to forgive this guy for just assuming Microsoft is the same way (Windows even has theming! Can you imagine theming on OSX? Never in a million fraking years so long as Steve is in control).
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
He's simply probably just not used to the idea of "options" or "disabled" being used to Apple products and all. I mean Steve Jobs never heard of the word OPTIONS. He likes to just force his favorite settings on everyone. So I think you have to forgive this guy for just assuming Microsoft is the same way (Windows even has theming! Can you imagine theming on OSX? Never in a million fraking years so long as Steve is in control).
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Bitter much?

LOL!
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Agree. Windows def. is not up to snuff. That doesn't mean other MS technologies aren't good. Exchange and Silverlight are great.
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I have yet to understand why anybody thinks Exchange is great. Have you ever used it? Exchange itself is expensive as hell to begin with and requires a lot of hardware. To avoid significant amounts of downtime you have to buy the microsoft clustering software. Then you have the proprietary MAPI protocol and to get 100% functionality you have to use outhouse... i mean outlook. If you use web access and not windows/ie you are put in penalty mode, where some things don't work, and everything else works, but crappy.

Outhouse is a PITA to support and I find its interface to be awful. The organization I work for had a problem about a year ago where they kept having database corruption issues and couldn't keep the thing up. They had to fly people out from Redmond to get it fixed. The story I was told is that best guess is the super-expensive
EMC storage was silently corrupting the exchange mail stores (flaky controller or something) or whatever they call them and then of course Windows and exchange were unable to detect it until the corruption was significant. The backups had corruption as well. The MS people helped them get it back up and going with a minimum of e-mail loss but we didn't really have e-mail for 3 weeks.
 
OFM 2011 Beta Tester here...

I am/was a beta tester for OFM 2011. I hate to hear people bashing it without having seen the product. It is light years ahead of OFM 2008. It is fast very well developed and highly compatible with Office for Windows. It is a joy to use...

Give it a chance, you will not be disappointed...
 
Been using Office 2011 Mac for a while now, it really is great. Quite speedy and very nice to look at.

I'm not a heavy user, just a University student which means opening powerpoints & light Word editing. Not much Excel use.

That being said, if I previously had 2008, I would NOT spend money on an upgrade.
 
objc said:
I have yet to understand why anybody thinks Exchange is great. Have you ever used it? Exchange itself is expensive as hell to begin with and requires a lot of hardware. To avoid significant amounts of downtime you have to buy the microsoft clustering software. Then you have the proprietary MAPI protocol and to get 100% functionality you have to use outhouse... i mean outlook. If you use web access and not windows/ie you are put in penalty mode, where some things don't work, and everything else works, but crappy.

Outhouse is a PITA to support and I find its interface to be awful. The organization I work for had a problem about a year ago where they kept having database corruption issues and couldn't keep the thing up. They had to fly people out from Redmond to get it fixed. The story I was told is that best guess is the super-expensive
EMC storage was silently corrupting the exchange mail stores (flaky controller or something) or whatever they call them and then of course Windows and exchange were unable to detect it until the corruption was significant. The backups had corruption as well. The MS people helped them get it back up and going with a minimum of e-mail loss but we didn't really have e-mail for 3 weeks.
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Not having to use Outlook or IE was one of the main reasons for changing to Zimbra. - Made my job bucketloads easier.
 
jms969 said:
I am/was a beta tester for OFM 2011. I hate to hear people bashing it without having seen the product. It is light years ahead of OFM 2008. It is fast very well developed and highly compatible with Office for Windows. It is a joy to use...

Give it a chance, you will not be disappointed...
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Same story here. I too was part of the beta, and after seeing the considerable changes and investment microsoft have made on OFM 2011 its rather disheartening to hear people who say its not worth the upgrade, and have yet to try it.

OFM 2011 is light years ahead of 2004 & 2008 and offers a considerable amount more than currently found in iWork 09.

Not only that - Microsoft have taken the decision to reduce the cost of OFM 2011 to the general public too.

Maybe if I hadn't had the chance to experience it first hand I too may have procrastinated on OFM 2011, however now I simply can't wait for final release.

2008 and its subsequent updates was rather sluggish at times, 2011 is light years ahead in terms of output and performance.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Why would they need to. .Doc is the industry standard.
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pdjudd said:
WEll MS went out of their way to do it on office 2010.
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You should be interested in open formats:
"One objective of open formats like OpenDocument is to guarantee long-term access to data without legal or technical barriers"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Worldwide_adoption


Microsoft:
"Microsoft, as part of its commitment to Interoperability with the European Commission, includes support for ODF 1.1 in Microsoft Excel 2010, Microsoft Word 2010, and Microsoft PowerPoint 2010. With the inclusion of ODF support in Office 2010, Microsoft added a file format selection screen to enable you to select the default file format for these products."
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http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/w...mat-in-microsoft-office-2010-HA101878944.aspx
 
German said:
You should be interested in open formats:
"One objective of open formats like OpenDocument is to guarantee long-term access to data without legal or technical barriers"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Worldwide_adoption


Microsoft:
"Microsoft, as part of its commitment to Interoperability with the European Commission, includes support for ODF 1.1 in Microsoft Excel 2010, Microsoft Word 2010, and Microsoft PowerPoint 2010. With the inclusion of ODF support in Office 2010, Microsoft added a file format selection screen to enable you to select the default file format for these products."
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http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/w...mat-in-microsoft-office-2010-HA101878944.aspx
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I don't know why you included me there - Your screen-shot was the whole thrust of my post. I know Office 2010 has that functionality. I was pointing out that the probable reason was similar for DOCX compatibility - it would come later.

We don't know that of course since OFM is not officially released and no announcement can be made. Office 2010 has been out for a couple of months now. The two products are not designed by the same teams - they are developed separately.
 
John.B said:
Bitter much?

LOL!
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I'm not a fan of Mr. Jobs and the way he's doing things lately in the computer division in favor of pushing gadgets (letting hardware get out of date and "consumer" options like glass versus matte, lack of expansion on MBP models etc. while the OS doesn't get newer things like OpenGL 3.x let alone 4.x) and then he acts like a control freak on everything else). If you want to call that "bitter" go ahead. I simply don't like the way he's running things. That doesn't mean I don't like Macs or OSX anymore. It just means what it means. I wish someone else was calling the shots for the Macs.
 
objc said:
If you use web access and not windows/ie you are put in penalty mode, where some things don't work, and everything else works, but crappy.
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In Exchange 2010, both Safari and Firefox are fully supported. You don't just get the light version of Outlook Web Access, you get the full deal. Although Exchange 2010 has some other awesomeness (another favourite feature is how voicemails are sent to my email and automatically transcribed so I don't have to listen to it), for me as someone who only uses Macs, this is the best improvement.

Regards,
Nadyne.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
I'm not a fan of Mr. Jobs and the way he's doing things lately in the computer division in favor of pushing gadgets (letting hardware get out of date and "consumer" options like glass versus matte, lack of expansion on MBP models etc. while the OS doesn't get newer things like OpenGL 3.x let alone 4.x) and then he acts like a control freak on everything else). If you want to call that "bitter" go ahead. I simply don't like the way he's running things. That doesn't mean I don't like Macs or OSX anymore. It just means what it means. I wish someone else was calling the shots for the Macs.
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Heh, relax. It's his company and we have to go by his rules. He's the boss, and whatever he says is final. Oh and its probably not him all the time, definitely there has to be someone else to help in out in making decisions?
 
Perdification said:
Heh, relax. It's his company and we have to go by his rules. He's the boss, and whatever he says is final. Oh and its probably not him all the time, definitely there has to be someone else to help in out in making decisions?
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I'm not an employee of Apple. I don't have to do a darn thing.

In any case, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. The only way Apple does anything consumer friendly is when they're forced to by bad publicity so I'd encourage everyone to whine as much as possible when they screw something up. For example, if people want color icons back in iTunes, they're going to have to give negative feedback to Apple in droves. Otherwise, it'll probably stay black and white forever.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
I'm not an employee of Apple. I don't have to do a darn thing.

In any case, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. The only way Apple does anything consumer friendly is when they're forced to by bad publicity so I'd encourage everyone to whine as much as possible when they screw something up. For example, if people want color icons back in iTunes, they're going to have to give negative feedback to Apple in droves. Otherwise, it'll probably stay black and white forever.
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Okay I get the point. Apple does appreciate consumer feedback, and they will do something about it. Heh, but chill, don't get too worked up, its bad for your heart... :D
 
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