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I tried to force myself to like the new Office suite.
I'm back via Fusion with Office ...

Word, Excel in Mac is okay for light editing.
Outlook is dismal.
For example, I moved 7K mail items from Exchange from one folder to another. That process took 14 hrs....

Just for schitz and giggles, I did the same process in Outlook on my PC and it took 6-8 minutes tops. This was moving items on a Exchange Server
 
I hope they also fix the Trust center where I can allow opening of Macro-enabled files without having to run a fricking authentication server in Windows 7.
 
As quite a few people, I have been victim to rather frequent crashes when using the paste command in Word 2011. Nothing seems to help: (real) full clean re-install, removing duplicate fonts, etc, etc.

The crashes were so frequent that I went back to Word 2008. If this is solved I'd be happy to go back to 2011....

Since when does Microsoft fix bugs? They just keep introducing more and more features to bury the bugs.
 
That's never going to come. Microsoft has moved away from WebDAV. It's not included in Exchange 2007/2010 if I'm correct. And the only reason Windows versions of Outlook still work is that they are using MAPI currently, which I believe Microsoft is also doing away with.

Awesome. I'm stuck with 2003. My work doesn't even have it under consideration for the next two years. I really don't like using Entourage, but it's the only program I can get to work correctly. I was actually going to get Office 2011, because Word and Excel need some new life, but I guess I'll be doing without Outlook.
 
I always keep my calendar and contact with MS Office....

Now office 2011 is finally updating.... I might move to Mac side of my machine.

Can iTunes sync with the calendar and contacts in Outlook 2011?
 
iWork is no better, here we are sitting almost 2 years after the initial '09 release and it still doesn't have built in bibliographical functionality (a must for any university student, no I'm not going to use 'third party' applications that require me to copy and paste, if I'm going to do that I might as well manually do my bibliography), then there is the interoperability, the templates demonstrate a complete lack of professionalism when compared to what Microsoft provides etc.

Following your logic you should not use Word 2011 (or any other version on any OS) either. It has not and never had a build in bibliography tool. And I cannot count the very basic citation function as a bibliography tool. I don't know what obscure third party programmes you are referring to by "copy & paste", but have you ever heard of "Endnote"? It is what most students at universities across the globe use and not only works with Word, but also Pages. There are similar apps of course, some even free. Endnote for example works like a plugin in your word processor (no advertising, it's just the programme I personally know best). No need to copy & paste. And why would a third party app spoil iWork for you? Even for LATEX editors it would make sense to use a third party tool to manage bibliography in order to directly link to the database (e.g. PubMed) to avoid copy & paste.

But what you have not considered is that Word is getting abysmal when you:
  • generate large documents (like a thesis of 150 pages)
  • have to enter many graphs and images int this thesis
So far iWork did a very decent job for me regarding these points, although one could argue that LATEX would be a better alternative. And yes, I did try Word for these things, also on a Windows PC. It has been a very frustating experience. So coming back to your comment:
Like any operating system it is choosing the one that sucks the least.
It's what I did. I have bought iWork, but never again MS Office. I will never understand how people, after being ripped off so many times, still buy products from Microsoft, especially at the demanded price. If it's for the argument of interoperability: have you tried the interoperability between MS Office 2011 (Mac) and MS Office 2010 (PC)? It's ridiculous. If you own a Mac and are not running Windows on it, forget 100% interoperability with the PC version of MS Office. Any other office will serve you better at a lower price tag.
 
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Using Word (Office 2011) with Apple's Pages

I used to use ClarisWorks on a Performa 450. I thought it was a great piece of word processing software. I published a magazine using Home Publisher but always used ClarisWorks for the basic 'typewriting'. It was a clean, elegant and simple solution that worked for me. I continued to use ClarisWorks' successor, ApoleWorks for the same reasons. It was a headache-free and reliable solution to my needs.

Eventually, as an editor with a music magazine I was required to interface with PC users and after much trial and error was able to set up some reasonable compatibility between my Mac's AppleWorks and Word for Mac software and the various Windows Word versions that the magazine's writers used. It wasn't problem-free but by and large it worked okay. I hated using the Word for Mac software, though. It was ugly and unpleasant to use, unlike Apple's WP software.

With the demise of Power PC and the introduction of Intel on the Mac, I eventually made the transition too but put off 'upgrading' my production process until a few months ago, instead continuing to use the iMac. With the MacBook I invested in Pages, AppleWorks' successor, and also Office for Mac 2011. I've grown to be comfortable enough with Pages (though I am not wholly convinced that it is as user-friendly as its predecessors) but I am alarmed at my experience with the Word element of Office 2011 for Mac.

I continue to use Apple's software to edit and generally wrestle with interview and review material before pasting it into Word for circulation to others whop use PCs. This editing requires the implementation of various house-styles and formatting. There are two things that currently concern me with Word in Office 2011when I am doing this.

First of all, when I receive a CD review from others, as a Word file, I copy and paste the review into Pages and edit it therein. My 'traditional' work practice. If, for example, a record label has been written in a mixture of upper and lower case, I correct it so that it is entirely in upper case, as per the house style. (That's done in Pages, remember!) When I subsequently copy and paste the CD review into a Word document and send it (and others) back to my chief editor, that upper case text will revert back to lower case! How bizarre is that! It is only when I change it in my Word file (rather than in Pages) that it remains fixed.

I'm assuming that this is a Microsoft issue rather than an Apple issue.

The other weird thing is when I copy and past a bunch of text (say a few dozen CD reviews) from Pages into Word, sometimes the text fails to paste in the correct manner, with spaces between punctuation that really ought not to be there. The only solution at this point is to quit Word and launch it again, after which the re-pasted text will be fine.

Over the years I have found Word's compatibility with other versions of itself to be less than reliable, to say the least. I remember a contact asking me if I could help him find a way of opening his Word file (written on a Windows 95 or 98 PC). None of his PC-owning friends had been able to open the file, and when he sent me a floppy disk with the same file I passed it on to my Windows-savvy colleague. He had no luck. It wouldn't open with whatever Windows/Word combinations he had available to him.

As I was about to return the floppy and its stubborn Word file to my contact, I realised I had an Apple Performa 6400 of a similar era to the time when the contact's Word file was created. What the hell, I thought, and fired up the old Performa. Sure enough, Apple's basic SimpleText software was able to open the Word file. I tried opening the same file on my old iMac G3 and again, no problem. AppleWorks was able to open it.

The lesson, I learned, was that Microsoft failed to make diligent efforts to ensure comprehensive compatibility with its own software whereas with Apple, "it just worked". Apple were more diligent and thorough with their Microsoft compatibility than Microsoft themselves!

There's a reason Apple's sales slogans resonate with Apple users, and it's because there's a profound measure of truth in them. "It just works!"

As for Microsoft, I cannot muster much respect for a software company that fails to make an appropriate amount of effort to respect its customers/users. And I simply do not trust the current version of Word in Office 2011.
 
Outlook 2011 and Gmail

Hi - I setup Outlook 2011 to pull in my gmail account, but now the folders are acting up. Is there a how to somewhere? The one that I found had screen shots that didn't match my 2011 screen. I want to be able to utilize the folders that I have been using with my comcast via that came in thru Outlook just fine.

Thanks
 
Outlook has constantly crashed, failed to send messages and has been super slow syncing with our exchange server. I moved all my stuff over to Mail and iCal for the time being. I may give SP1 a chance though.

Have you considered to look at the Exchange Server certificates used or even the "Sync Issues" folder on your Mac & also the Windows PC (if you use this)??
 
Hi - I setup Outlook 2011 to pull in my gmail account, but now the folders are acting up. Is there a how to somewhere? The one that I found had screen shots that didn't match my 2011 screen. I want to be able to utilize the folders that I have been using with my comcast via that came in thru Outlook just fine.

Thanks

Are you using Outlook 2011 with Google Exchange settings or the pop3/imap settings?
 
Following your logic you should not use Word 2011 (or any other version on any OS) either. It has not and never had a build in bibliography tool. And I cannot count the very basic citation function as a bibliography tool. I don't know what obscure third party programmes you are referring to by "copy & paste", but have you ever heard of "Endnote"? It is what most students at universities across the globe use and not only works with Word, but also Pages. There are similar apps of course, some even free. Endnote for example works like a plugin in your word processor (no advertising, it's just the programme I personally know best). No need to copy & paste. And why would a third party app spoil iWork for you? Even for LATEX editors it would make sense to use a third party tool to manage bibliography in order to directly link to the database (e.g. PubMed) to avoid copy & paste.

But what you have not considered is that Word is getting abysmal when you:
  • generate large documents (like a thesis of 150 pages)
  • have to enter many graphs and images int this thesis

So do you have AUS$330 just laying around on top of purchasing an office suite? ignore the fact that every time i have tried to use it there is zero integration - when I mean integration I mean, I click on 'insert' and bang, there it is - show me inserting citations through a third party tool in Pages that isn't the painful equivalent of putting a porcupine up my ass.

Btw, very few people write 150 page thesis. The vast majority go to university to complete their Bachelors or Masters, neither of them requiring the writing of 150 pages.

So far iWork did a very decent job for me regarding these points, although one could argue that LATEX would be a better alternative. And yes, I did try Word for these things, also on a Windows PC. It has been a very frustating experience. So coming back to your comment:

It's what I did. I have bought iWork, but never again MS Office. I will never understand how people, after being ripped off so many times, still buy products from Microsoft, especially at the demanded price. If it's for the argument of interoperability: have you tried the interoperability between MS Office 2011 (Mac) and MS Office 2010 (PC)? It's ridiculous. If you own a Mac and are not running Windows on it, forget 100% interoperability with the PC version of MS Office. Any other office will serve you better at a lower price tag.

I've tried it without any problems then again I don't stupid formatting and other crap. If you use the word-processor as one instead of treating it like a desktop publisher or some other tool then you won't have any problems.
 
So do you have AUS$330 just laying around on top of purchasing an office suite? ignore the fact that every time i have tried to use it there is zero integration - when I mean integration I mean, I click on 'insert' and bang, there it is - show me inserting citations through a third party tool in Pages that isn't the painful equivalent of putting a porcupine up my ass.

No need for vulgar words. I just wrote, what worked for me, like many other people at many universities worldwide, the least frustrating. Why don't you try Endnote before lamenting? There is a trial version on their homepage to download. You could also ask at your university or the company of the app for a price reduction. Some universities give such programmes even for free. And before I forget, yes, academics have a tough job and it's often cumbersome work to write scientific papers.

Btw, very few people write 150 page thesis. The vast majority go to university to complete their Bachelors or Masters, neither of them requiring the writing of 150 pages.

Maybe I should have written it differently: Word is crashing more often and getting slower when your report gets more images/graphs/tables and more text. All other word processors I tried had less problems in this regard.

I will definitely not argue with you about the number of people writing a thesis or how long a thesis should be. That would be childish. But please keep in mind that not all university courses have the same requirements and not everywhere in this world the anglo-american system is in use.

I've tried it without any problems then again I don't stupid formatting and other crap. If you use the word-processor as one instead of treating it like a desktop publisher or some other tool then you won't have any problems.

Would you please be so kind to keep your responses moderate? I have never written anything that led to the assumption I would use "stupid formatting and other crap" nor have I ever written anything about desktop publishing. I used a thesis as an example above, so let's keep it there. If you have ever seen a thesis, you know there is only few formatting. Still problems occur with MS Word. Others seem to experience them as well. If Word fits your bill, great. If not, all I want to say is there are other solutions at hand and, hey, they are not at all inferior. I dare to say, most are a better treat for your money. And as you imply, you are on a tight budget. So it would make sense to buy a cheaper word processor that can interact with your bibliography tool. You will have to buy the tool anyway, whatever word processor you use.

On a side note, even if I would use Word as a desktop publisher, it would be common sense to expect flawless exchange to other versions of Word, regardless of what complicated formatting or "crap" I do and regardless of the underlying OS. Still MS manages to do a ridiculously lousy job in terms of compatibility with their own programmes, if on purpose or by carelessness for their customers, I can't say.
 
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Finally! Took em long enough. Mail.app is a bloody train wreck in any non personal / mom&pop store environment. Nothing beats Outlook calendar functionality.
 
Endnote and other citation software

I’d like to back CoffeeDrinker here. Referencing software a specialized software packages. Most of them will meet a long list of requirement, including (1) access and download of citation data and original documents to a dozen or sometimes more than a hundred paid or free databases, (2) managing large sets of references, often including the PDF of the original, in a meaningful way, and (3) create citations and lists of references in new texts, according to one of dozen (sometimes >100) formats prescribed by journals. This is all complicated because scientific disciplines are very different in terms of ways to cite (often for good reasons): medical researchers quite different form historians, and economics quote different from electrical engineers. With this complexity and with the widely diverging user needs, it would not make sense to me to have this all integrated into an office suite like Office.

While Endnote is certainly among the best known, there is a wide range of such programs, ranging in focus, functionality, and price (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software).

I’d like to highlight Bookends, a Mac-specific program that is very reasonably priced and has served me and many other enthusiasts for already quite a while. Its developers offer great support and regularly implement needs expressed by their users. For students and other users that are on a tighter budget, Zotero offers a good open-source alternative.

All the best, Rudi
 
No need for vulgar words. I just wrote, what worked for me, like many other people at many universities worldwide, the least frustrating. Why don't you try Endnote before lamenting? There is a trial version on their homepage to download. You could also ask at your university or the company of the app for a price reduction. Some universities give such programmes even for free. And before I forget, yes, academics have a tough job and it's often cumbersome work to write scientific papers.

Please, stop being so precious. If it isn't people who write for pages but their essays have no meaning what so ever, there are those who are precious individuals who need to grow some thicker skin and hand the cut and thrust of a robust debate.

If you actually spent some time reading what I wrote instead of whining about the 'vulgar language' (when compared to your bloviated paragraph with little in the way of 'meat on the bone'), I clearly stated the following:

ignore the fact that every time i have tried to use it there is zero integration

So I have used it.

Maybe I should have written it differently: Word is crashing more often and getting slower when your report gets more images/graphs/tables and more text. All other word processors I tried had less problems in this regard.

I will definitely not argue with you about the number of people writing a thesis or how long a thesis should be. That would be childish. But please keep in mind that not all university courses have the same requirements and not everywhere in this world the anglo-american system is in use.

But anything heavily graphical on Word succks royally whether it is on Windows or Mac OS X - it is the nature of the beast, you're using something in a way it was never designed. If you really want to have something that is WYSIWYG then you're better off using Framemaker or what ever Adobe call it these days (IIRC its some rebranded version of Indesign IIRC).

Would you please be so kind to keep your responses moderate? I have never written anything that led to the assumption I would use "stupid formatting and other crap" nor have I ever written anything about desktop publishing. I used a thesis as an example above, so let's keep it there. If you have ever seen a thesis, you know there is only few formatting. Still problems occur with MS Word. Others seem to experience them as well. If Word fits your bill, great. If not, all I want to say is there are other solutions at hand and, hey, they are not at all inferior. I dare to say, most are a better treat for your money. And as you imply, you are on a tight budget. So it would make sense to buy a cheaper word processor that can interact with your bibliography tool. You will have to buy the tool anyway, whatever word processor you use.

On a side note, even if I would use Word as a desktop publisher, it would be common sense to expect flawless exchange to other versions of Word, regardless of what complicated formatting or "crap" I do and regardless of the underlying OS. Still MS manages to do a ridiculously lousy job in terms of compatibility with their own programmes, if on purpose or by carelessness for their customers, I can't say.

When hundreds of thousands of university students can use Microsoft Office 2011 (and god forbid 2008) on a regular basis without all the drama and emotion that your experiences have then I'd say there must be something very wrong in your part of the world.
 
I wonder if they're going to fix the annoying issue of Office sending 'recovered files' to the trash after every boot. These are useless files that never existed in the first place. It's so damned frustrating seeing a full bin at startup. This is a problem that has not been fixed with either of their previous updates.
 
@Vghty I'd really like to thank you for your latest post. I'm finding it more and more difficult to keep track of all my sources as my research progresses. I find it difficult to adapt to new methods, which is probably why I still just keep all my saved PDFs in a folder and have to go hunting down the one I need. It's not always convenient and I've only just gotten used to using Microsoft Word's bibliography tool, which is decent. They need to have more native support for different formats (some of us use Harvard instead of the ones listed). I've had to find other formats online and plug them into the Microsoft User folder. This brings me to a question about Bookends. Does it have support for multiple referencing/citation formats? Is Harvard one of them? That will really help me make my decision about whether or not to purchase it. I'm trying Zotero right now (they've just released a standalone version that doesn't require Firefox). Thanks for the info!
 
@mac1984user

>> This brings me to a question about Bookends. Does it have support for multiple referencing/citation formats? Is Harvard one of them?

Bookends has about 250 pre-defined formats, and Harvard is listed as one of them. The good thing is that they can all be adapted as required, and this is not very hard to do.

There is a test version of Bookends that you can download and use for free (with a 50 reference limit) at www.sonnysoftware.com. Try it! And do not forget try to drag PDF documents into the main window and have Bookends look for all the citation data automatically (uses the DOI code, which is present in most publications published in the last decade or so).

PS I am not associated with Bookend in any way, just a satisfied user.
 

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... I’d like to highlight Bookends, a Mac-specific program that is very reasonably priced and has served me and many other enthusiasts for already quite a while. Its developers offer great support and regularly implement needs expressed by their users. For students and other users that are on a tighter budget, Zotero offers a good open-source alternative...

I will definitely check out the trial version of Bookends. The price is a fair deal unlike the case of Endnote. Zotero sounds interesting. I will keep it in mind, in case some student asks me about a free solution. Thank you for the hints.
 
SP1 is out

The service pack is out; it's on Microsoft.com/mac. I'm at work where I use a PC so I haven't had a chance to install it yet.
 
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