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I don't think it's really a dumb move.. he managed them to a World Series just 2 years ago.
The White Sox know they wont be competitive for a few years and they feel that Ozzie is the person to move the team along.
 
i guess they like their ozzie. dumb move.

I'm not sure there's any way of knowing it's a dumb move right now, only later.

One thing is commendable about keeping Guillen though. Too many teams in all sports change managers/coaches just for the sake of making a change, with the new guy being no better than the previous one. The team doesn't improve and they end up paying the fired guy and the hired guy.

To put it another way, is there a better manager than Guillen available out there right now? It's debatable, but one could argue that the others aren't that much better, and that the transition to a new manager would take too much adjustment to be worth it.

I think it was Sparky Anderson who mused that a manager of a winning team probably doesn't get dumber when the team starts losing. Not that it's never the manager's fault, but I don't see many signs that Guillen is a worse manager now than he was in 2005.
 
He's still managing the team the same way he did in
05, AFAIK. The thing is, I'm starting to wonder if guys were having career years in 2005. We resigned Dye, who is having a great second half- but he sucked up until then with a .230 AVG. Paul Konerko isn't looking much better these days either.

That, and we're fielding 1/2 of our AAA team. Trust me, it's not pretty. But! You can easily get a hold of tix for $10 on craigslist!
 
He's still managing the team the same way he did in
05, AFAIK. The thing is, I'm starting to wonder if guys were having career years in 2005. We resigned Dye, who is having a great second half- but he sucked up until then with a .230 AVG. Paul Konerko isn't looking much better these days either.

That, and we're fielding 1/2 of our AAA team. Trust me, it's not pretty. But! You can easily get a hold of tix for $10 on craigslist!

The 2001 D'backs and 2002 Angels also went all the way on the backs of several players having career years. Neither of those teams got appreciably worse because of the manager afterward, although I would argue that Bob Brenly is one of the worst managers to ever win a World Series and just lucked into it.
 
While the Sox pitching hasn't exactly been lights out the last couple days (though after Lester's tough first inning, they looked quite good), the bats have come up big in support of them, which is nice for the fans to see. There hasn't been a ton of that this year.
 
As we head into the big clash in Boston this weekend let the debate begin. Who will win the AL Cy Young this year.
Beckett
Wang
Santana
Escobar
Sabathia
 
As we head into the big clash in Boston this weekend let the debate begin. Who will win the AL Cy Young this year.
Beckett
Wang
Santana
Escobar
Sabathia

I'd say the frontrunners are Beckett and Sabathia, with Wang not far behind. On ESPN Baseball Tonight they were talking about this and said that Beckett and Sabathia have been the front runners the whole year, and Wang wasn't really in the picture until after the All Star break. I agree with this and think that it should go to either Beckett or Sabathia (unless they both lose the rest of their games and Wang wins all his) because the award should go to someone who has been consistantly the best across the entire season.

My award picks:

AL Cy Young: Josh Beckett (18-6, 3.27 ERA)
AL Rookie of the Year: Dustin Pedroia (.327 average [5th AL], 5 errors [.991 field %]) After a slow start, Pedroia has become a dominant force at 2B, leading the Sox in batting average and being 5th in the AL.
AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez It's September 14th and he has 52 home runs and 140+ RBIs. enough said.
 
marlins eliminated from the playoffs. what a baseball cesspool florida is. especially when we see stories like this.

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you really feel alone, don't you? only 400 people showed up.
 
not mine. i don't like the marlins. but with things like this, i'm thinking they are headed out of town.

Could be, though I haven't been hearing any rumors. The point of my question is that it seems to be as much the fault of the Marlins' owners as anything else. They've certainly put together some good teams, but they never keep them around for long enough to build a fan base.

The part of this story about the season ticket-holder being ejected from the game for heckling the umpire was really funny, though. It was so quiet in the stadium that he could be heard clearly on the TV broadcast. Not that anyone was watching!
 
not mine. i don't like the marlins. but with things like this, i'm thinking they are headed out of town.

Maybe they can just disband the team and we can get Hanley Ramirez back. lol

but still the combination of Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett > Hanley Ramirez
 
Could be, though I haven't been hearing any rumors. The point of my question is that it seems to be as much the fault of the Marlins' owners as anything else. They've certainly put together some good teams, but they never keep them around for long enough to build a fan base.

marlins have had bad owners all around. it's a long story, but short version is that hyzengia screwed them over after firesale #1, then the people could never get a stadium deal done even though they keep saying it will be done, and now loria and samson are not of any help, having firesale #2, crying for relocation, doubling ticket prices (but to be fair, this is the only place, along with food, they can get revenue because of the terrible stadium deal they have now, and will be kicked out in 2010), treating their manager and fanbase like garbage, and you wonder why the marlins have no fans at games. one of the talk show hosts down here said that the marlins are now irrelevant and getting close to joke status i think. but the tv ratings are pretty good.
 
The part of this story about the season ticket-holder being ejected from the game for heckling the umpire was really funny, though. It was so quiet in the stadium that he could be heard clearly on the TV broadcast. Not that anyone was watching!
That and also that the hundreds of box seats which went unoccupied remained unoccupied. Wouldn't they at least let those poor folks in right field come closer? :D
 
Reminds me of the Expos especially towards the end. The fans were so scarce and the stadium so quiet you could hear the exhaust fans running, even on TV.
 
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