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ddavid said:
Your ISP does not mine/sell/use your user data or logs and only disclose that info upon a court order.
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Clearly you have no concept of how easy it is to obtain your ISP logs. Numerous agencies that have 3-letter abbreviations don't need court orders to obtain such information.

Google actively offers free stuff in order to mine/sell/use your data personal info.
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Yes, and there are plenty of other services you pay for in which your privacy can be breached as well. Not really sure why giving your information to Google is any better or worse than giving it to say... Amazon. Or Apple. After all... iTunes is free.

Apparently you are ok with that but many people don't realize the level that Google/Apple/Microsoft (Bing)/Yahoo/Amazon/Facebook/Twitter/etc... goes to to harvest your information.
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Fixed that for you.

What if I gave you a free house but put a hidden camera in every room, went through everything in your mailbox, went through your garbage, logged your schedule and sold it all to the highest bidder?
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I wouldn't care, because you can do that in my current house (that I pay for) now with very little effort. To comment on your poor analogy, I wouldn't (and don't) particularly care about Google because I understand that anything you put on the internet is up for grabs in the first place.

Bury your head in the sand (or wherever) if you want but it doesn't make your info safe.
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You're the one with the buried head if you honestly think that by not using Google Apps your information is "safe."
 
I agree with pretty much everything you said except for this one comment.

miles01110 said:
Clearly you have no concept of how easy it is to obtain your ISP logs. Numerous agencies that have 3-letter abbreviations don't need court orders to obtain such information.
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Can the FBI, ATF or NSA obtain this info without a warrant... sure they can.
It won't be legal, but they can get the info.

But, and this is a biggie here. If the information is going to be used against you in court, a warrant/court order is most definitely needed.
Even the Patriot Act didn't strip that right away when it comes to monitoring U.S. Citizens in country.
 
miles01110 said:
I wouldn't care, because you can do that in my current house (that I pay for) now with very little effort. To comment on your poor analogy, I wouldn't (and don't) particularly care about Google because I understand that anything you put on the internet is up for grabs in the first place.
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Of course. Everything you post is out there as is your email and search history. The distinction that is hazy to you is that data that before now had been expected to be somewhat private, phone calls, documents, spread sheets, private emails, are being mined for content.

In case you missed the link I posted I'll post it again.
http://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-goo...yline=true&s=i

That is a lot of data to have compiled in one place.
miles01110 said:
You're the one with the buried head if you honestly think that by not using Google Apps your information is "safe."
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WTF? Unless you hack my computer or tap my phone you have no idea what message someone is leaving me or what information I put into an Excel document.
 
rjohnstone said:
I agree with pretty much everything you said except for this one comment.


Can the FBI, ATF or NSA obtain this info without a warrant... sure they can.
It won't be legal, but they can get the info.

But, and this is a biggie here. If the information is going to be used against you in court, a warrant/court order is most definitely needed.
Even the Patriot Act didn't strip that right away when it comes to monitoring U.S. Citizens in country.
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Of course there are agencies than get information via legal means or "black bag" operations.

My point is that people are willingly giving this information to a company that compiles it all in one location. This information is then added to search logs, browsing history, Gmail logs, documents created and shared, profile photos, private photos, and now phone call logs and transcripts. People are freely providing this data in order to get something "free." Google is not free.

What happens when a hacker or rogue employee got into your Google file?
 
ddavid said:
Of course there are agencies than get information via legal means or "black bag" operations.

My point is that people are willingly giving this information to a company that compiles it all in one location. This information is then added to search logs, browsing history, Gmail logs, documents created and shared, profile photos, private photos, and now phone call logs and transcripts. People are freely providing this data in order to get something "free." Google is not free.

What happens when a hacker or rogue employee got into your Google file?
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Ok well then this is the case for any web portal. Yahoo, whoever doesn't matter. The only privacy we have is in our homes, and that's with all of the windows boarded over of course. What's your ****ing point again?
 
nostradukemas said:
They find out I talk to my friends about Starcraft 2 a lot
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What about last year or next year or five years from now? Do you trust them knowing more about you than your mother does?

They offer these products and every one is designed to collect data from you. chrome, desktop, books, translate, docs, calendar, mail, finance, maps, alerts, google health, google voice, youtube, and more

This quote is fairly accurate.
"Internet privacy? Google already knows more about you than the National Security Agency ever will. And don't assume for a minute it can keep a secret. YouTube fans -- and everybody else -- beware."
— By Adam L. Penenberg
 
ddavid said:
My point is that people are willingly giving this information to a company that compiles it all in one location. This information is then added to search logs, browsing history, Gmail logs, documents created and shared, profile photos, private photos, and now phone call logs and transcripts. People are freely providing this data in order to get something "free." Google is not free.
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If you walk outside, your credit card is not charged. Thus, it is free. However, if you walk outside someone can shoot you with a gun and kill you. Oh my gosh! I can't believe people are willing to walk outside and take such a risk! :rolleyes:

What happens when a hacker or rogue employee got into your Google file?
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The same thing that happens if a hacker or rogue employee gets into your Comcast/Verizon/Sprint/AT&T/BellSouth/Facebook/DMV/IRS/Social Security/Criminal record/etc. file. Entirely irrelevant.

ddavid said:
The distinction that is hazy to you is that data that before now had been expected to be somewhat private, phone calls, documents, spread sheets, private emails, are being mined for content.
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Again, if you really think your e-mail, documents, and phone calls are secure in any way you are naive. The fact that they are traversing what amounts to a public network infrastructure makes this fact obvious for those with the mental acumen to think about it clearly.

WTF? Unless you hack my computer or tap my phone you have no idea what message someone is leaving me or what information I put into an Excel document.
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If you put it on the internet or over the public switched telephone network, yes- this data is obtainable.
 
miles01110 said:
If you walk outside, your credit card is not charged. Thus, it is free. However, if you walk outside someone can shoot you with a gun and kill you. Oh my gosh! I can't believe people are willing to walk outside and take such a risk! :rolleyes:



The same thing that happens if a hacker or rogue employee gets into your Comcast/Verizon/Sprint/AT&T/BellSouth/Facebook/DMV/IRS/Social Security/Criminal record/etc. file. Entirely irrelevant.



Again, if you really think your e-mail, documents, and phone calls are secure in any way you are naive. The fact that they are traversing what amounts to a public network infrastructure makes this fact obvious for those as intelligent as me to think about it clearly.



If you put it on the internet or over the public switched telephone network, yes- this data is obtainable.
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Aside from your poor analogy it appears that you are slowly getting it.

Google is offering products for free that entices people to put stuff on the network that has always been kept private.

I'm all for cloud computing, just not public cloud computing
 
ddavid said:
Aside from your poor analogy it appears that you are slowly getting it.

Google is offering products for free that entices people to put stuff on the network that has always been kept private.

I'm all for cloud computing, just not public cloud computing
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What do you suggest we do to keep our identity, personal, and sensitive information safe? Any relevant alternatives to e-mail, web browsing, and phone calls that won't make such things vulnerable? Do tell.
 
spyda said:
What do you suggest we do to keep our identity, personal, and sensitive information safe? Any relevant alternatives to e-mail, web browsing, and phone calls that won't make such things vulnerable? Do tell.
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First, since you are asking, I'd suggest that being aware is your first defense.

Don't use Google Voice if you don't want all that information harvested (I've had Google Voice for almost a year and am amazed at the amount of data that gets transcribed and collected. I am also curious whether GV intercepts or has the ability to intercept VOIP calls) If you are writing a sensitive document you should not use Google Docs and perhaps write it using Word and place the document on your own, more secure cloud service.
 
How do people not understand this, GV is not VOIP. You still pay for minutes.

But on topic, good to see this. This is exactly what Apple needed to do to fend off current competitors (Android) and keep their lead in the U.S. It will be interesting to see how the loosened restrictions affect the sales in the last half of the year.
 
Hope you saved your money, Mr. Kovac!

I love GV on my EVO. I have been using GV for a long time and it's the only number I give out. If I get some strange craigslist caller that calls and calls on an item that's gone, I simply tell GV to play the "we're sorry, this number is no longer in service."

Love it! :D
 
ddavid said:
https://www.google.com/voice/rates#U


Again, calls within the U.S. are free...
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My point is that it uses your CELL PHONE MINUTES, and is therefore not technically free. All your link says is that there is no charge from GV to make calls within the US, which should be painfully obvious. Once again, IT IS NOT VOIP; you aren't calling someone using wifi.

There are certain ways to make it "Free." i.e. if you are with T-mobile and set up the google voice number as one of your MyFaves contacts then all calls made through/to that number are not included in your monthly minutes, for example.
 
Lurchdubious said:
My point is that it uses your CELL PHONE MINUTES, and is therefore not technically free. All your link says is that there is no charge from GV to make calls within the US, which should be painfully obvious. Once again, IT IS NOT VOIP; you aren't calling someone using wifi.
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My GV number is classified as a cell number according to Sprint.. What this means is I have the plan that is free from cell-cell, so when I use my GV number, it dials my GV number when calling, making the airtime free (doesn't count towards my monthly minutes).

Not sure if ATT has a similar plan, but Sprint's rocks.
 
coolbreeze said:
My GV number is classified as a cell number according to Sprint.. What this means is I have the plan that is free from cell-cell, so when I use my GV number, it dials my GV number when calling, making the airtime free (doesn't count towards my monthly minutes).

Not sure if ATT has a similar plan, but Sprint's rocks.
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Yep.
 
Lurchdubious said:
My point is that it uses your CELL PHONE MINUTES, and is therefore not technically free. All your link says is that there is no charge from GV to make calls within the US, which should be painfully obvious. Once again, IT IS NOT VOIP; you aren't calling someone using wifi.

There are certain ways to make it "Free." i.e. if you are with T-mobile and set up the google voice number as one of your MyFaves contacts then all calls made through/to that number are not included in your monthly minutes, for example.
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you don't have to use it to actually call your cell phone or home phone. you can make calls by signing into GMAIL email and make calls using your computer. but hey, you knew that right?
 
rmhop81 said:
you don't have to use it to actually call your cell phone or home phone. you can make calls by signing into GMAIL email and make calls using your computer. but hey, you knew that right?
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Yes, but this thread is regarding the iPhone app.
 
Lurchdubious said:
Yes, but this thread is regarding the iPhone app.
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i know that, but it's still "free". I use it to get text messages "free" on my iphone so i don't have to pay the ridiculous $30/month family texting package. The app hasn't been officially released yet. they bought gizmo5 which is VOIP so how do you know they aren't going to make google voice VOIP soon?
 
Lurchdubious said:
There are certain ways to make it "Free." i.e. if you are with T-mobile and set up the google voice number as one of your MyFaves contacts then all calls made through/to that number are not included in your monthly minutes, for example.
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well to be technical like you, that's not really "free" either is it?
 
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