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Oh! The misconceptions about Macs. It irritates me
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chaos86 said:
It's true! my mom worked for MS when word 1.0 was released and she said it was only released for mac!
Or try this little pice of ammo:
Windows 1.0 contained various 'concepts' licensed from Apple, including the 'window' concept and the 'icon' concept. Some of them were crippled though, such as the fact that in Windows 1.0, windows could not overlap, and icons could only represent Applications and documents could not be 'dropped' onto icons. Microsoft's designers decided to hide the window overlap flaw by building in another one- the very wasteful 'maximize' concept. They hoped nobody would notice that their icons were almost pointless. In version 2.0 of Windows, Microsoft illegally un-crippled the concepts licensed from Apple, and refused to pay Apple any longer. A lawsuit began and lasted several years and several more illagal versions of Windows, and in the end Microsoft got away with the theft.
Windows 1.0 contained various 'concepts' licensed from Apple, including the 'window' concept and the 'icon' concept. Some of them were crippled though, such as the fact that in Windows 1.0, windows could not overlap, and icons could only represent Applications and documents could not be 'dropped' onto icons. Microsoft's designers decided to hide the window overlap flaw by building in another one- the very wasteful 'maximize' concept. They hoped nobody would notice that their icons were almost pointless. In version 2.0 of Windows, Microsoft illegally un-crippled the concepts licensed from Apple, and refused to pay Apple any longer. A lawsuit began and lasted several years and several more illagal versions of Windows, and in the end Microsoft got away with the theft.
Tell me about it.jsalzer said:
But I am ungrounded now, I just gotta keep the grades up. Which I can do, very well - If I try.
Confuse them even more - tell them that Bungie code on Macs, and were a Mac developer for a large amount of timejamesW135 said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794
pretty clever....but let's see if we can get someone on here to refute everyone of his claims
pretty clever....but let's see if we can get someone on here to refute everyone of his claims
jcarm24 said:
I got it.
First of all, what is "clover relief period spacebar thing"?? He keeps talking about this key combination and I have no idea what it means. What does he mean tricking and fooling it into what you want to do? It's easier to use than Windows.There are no shutdown problems, I have never heard of any powering off like he is talking about. It always shuts down properly.
Now, about the update manager. What is he talking about where he is looking for the executable he want to update??? It comes up will all of the updates and you click OK. No looking for executables, he totally made this part up. He also says if he clicks on one of these he renames it and it is corrupted. Just nooo. There is no such thing as this in the update manager. If you click on a file by accident YOU DON"T RENAME IT. The way you rename files on the Mac is EXACTLY THE SAME as on a PC!!
Finally, the "mighty blue Apple." He says he can't put anything up there but why wold he say this? You can't put anything on the bottom of the screen on Windows where the "mighty Windows logo" is can you? It's the same thing with the menu bar.
This guys whole speech just plays upon the ignorance of people and he hopes that most of the stuff he is talking about will be believed by people. What a joke.
Tonight I was chatting with a friend on the phone. I mentioned that I'm now using a Mac and have been for several months. There was a pause, and then she said, "do you use IE with that? Can you see the internet?" After a stunned moment on my part, I blurted out, "Lord, NO, I don't use IE!" and then went on to patiently explain that I use a browser that comes with the operating system that is provided on a Mac, it's called "Safari," and I don't need to use IE. I then added that even on my PC I wasn't using IE but was using Firefox. I further explained that IE on the Mac isn't...well, it just isn't the best idea and that the IE version for the Mac is no longer supported by MS anyway.
"Well, can you see everything on the internet? Websites and stuff?" I assured her that yes, I CAN view most websites and that there are only a few which are not friendly to Safari, but that this isn't a big issue to me. After a moment or so she asked, "well, which antivirus program are you using, Norton or McAfee?" I happily informed her that I don't have either and that this was precisely one reason I switched from a Windows PC to the Mac in the first place. She didn't seem very convinced that someone could actually run a machine on the internet and not be concerned about security patches and the like.
I don't think she can quite imagine a world without IE and the necessity to attempt to put up a fortress against viruses/trojan horses/worms, etc......
How sad....
"Well, can you see everything on the internet? Websites and stuff?" I assured her that yes, I CAN view most websites and that there are only a few which are not friendly to Safari, but that this isn't a big issue to me. After a moment or so she asked, "well, which antivirus program are you using, Norton or McAfee?" I happily informed her that I don't have either and that this was precisely one reason I switched from a Windows PC to the Mac in the first place. She didn't seem very convinced that someone could actually run a machine on the internet and not be concerned about security patches and the like.
I don't think she can quite imagine a world without IE and the necessity to attempt to put up a fortress against viruses/trojan horses/worms, etc......
How sad....
Clix Pix said:
These people need to see. We need to open their eyes. And help them understand that the way things are is not the only way things can be.
God, I feel like Morpheus.
But IE is bar none the worst thing about Windows.
mkrishnan said:
One time, Rob Pegararo of the Washington POST said something similar to me in an email. People just don't realize that the daily struggles they have to keep their Windows machine(s) safe is NOT the way computing has to be.
Next time this particular friend and I get together I'm going to take my PB so that I can show her. That might be more convincing than a simple phone conversation.
Oh, the other thing she said was, "but aren't Macs a lot more expensive than PCs? I got such a great deal with my Dell...." I started to go into the finer points of how with a Mac you not only get the great OS you also get a lot of amazing software that comes with the machine, not to mention that you get bluetooth and you get wireless connectivity, etc., but she asked another question and I got sidetracked from that.
Actually, from what she said about her machine, she's about due for an update any day now, as her machine is pretty old and starting to show its age. Maybe I can convert her to a Mac before she pulls the trigger for yet another Dell....
Thats the way it goes in my house. When I asked my dad to get me a PowerBook he said "But what about the programs we have?". It still does come down to that a lot. But I just keep reminding him, for every millionth photo viewer on PC, there is 1 iPhoto on Mac. and that's all he needs, for a regular home user iPhoto is just perfect. then there's Aperture for the more pro, or just plain old Photoshop.
Funny. He *sorta* wants a Mac. He's after a new machine but since we've always built our own we're used to getting super fast for little. on a Mac, to be anything faster than what we have now we'd need a PowerMac/MacBook Pro for sure. Plus my parents splashed out on a 19" monitor so it won't be an iMac for a long time. unless they support monitor out (see I dont know )
My pop got excited when I said with all this x86 OSX stuff going on that it may be possible to run Tiger on our desktop PC. It has all the Intel CPU, Radeon 9600 etc, so its very Intel Mac like and all. He's a confusing guy. Wants it. doesnt want it.
My sister wants a Mac. We're looking into getting her a Mac Mini for her bedroom. wifi internet, Sims 2, iPhoto, iTunes with Nano etc. She'd love it.
Funny. He *sorta* wants a Mac. He's after a new machine but since we've always built our own we're used to getting super fast for little. on a Mac, to be anything faster than what we have now we'd need a PowerMac/MacBook Pro for sure. Plus my parents splashed out on a 19" monitor so it won't be an iMac for a long time. unless they support monitor out (see I dont know
)My pop got excited when I said with all this x86 OSX stuff going on that it may be possible to run Tiger on our desktop PC. It has all the Intel CPU, Radeon 9600 etc, so its very Intel Mac like and all. He's a confusing guy. Wants it. doesnt want it.
My sister wants a Mac. We're looking into getting her a Mac Mini for her bedroom. wifi internet, Sims 2, iPhoto, iTunes with Nano etc. She'd love it.
Hopefully I'm gonna pick up a G3 iBook from somebody this week. If I do, I'm gonna take it with me when I meet up with this gal who is in the market for a new computer. Let her tinker with is and show her all the stuff she can do with a Mac. She isn't a Mac hater, she is just plain computer illiterate and I figured the best way to tell her about it is to just sit her in front of it and let her go to town.
New ones do, but only through mini-VGA or mini-DVI I think - check the Apple siteraggedjimmi said:Plus my parents splashed out on a 19" monitor so it won't be an iMac for a long time. unless they support monitor out (see I dont know
Chundles said:
Is the opposite true? Can I run the iMac screen from a Powerbook, for example? That's always been the hangup for me about the iMac, that I'd be paying for that beautiful 20" display, and when it came time to update the hardware (probably sooner than the display) I'd be out of luck (short of selling it to someone else, or giving it to the fam). Any ideas if this is possible (or will ever be)?
Thanks!
Sorry for the double post, but I realized I didn't address the thread topic in my last one
Here in France, I find that Mac acceptance/understanding is even less than it is in the US. I get a wide range of questions, ranging from the usual Office compatibility, to (more often) "where can I get Keynote for my PC" . That one always makes me happy. The biggest gripe for me is with the IT department here (two guys who don't know anything about OS X) , who only allow me access to the Internet through a VPN, since they are worried about having an 'unsecured' (read: no Norton AV) machine on the network. So, to print anything, I have to ftp it to my iDisk, then access that from my PC sitting right next to me (or use a USB drive). Pretty damn annoying. But, that's the price I pay to enjoy the remaining 99% of my computing at work.
The only thing I use at work that is not available for my Mac is Origin (data plotting program). They've hinted that future compatibility is coming, and it can't get here soon enough for me.
Here in France, I find that Mac acceptance/understanding is even less than it is in the US. I get a wide range of questions, ranging from the usual Office compatibility, to (more often) "where can I get Keynote for my PC"
. That one always makes me happy. The biggest gripe for me is with the IT department here (two guys who don't know anything about OS X) , who only allow me access to the Internet through a VPN, since they are worried about having an 'unsecured' (read: no Norton AV) machine on the network. So, to print anything, I have to ftp it to my iDisk, then access that from my PC sitting right next to me (or use a USB drive). Pretty damn annoying. But, that's the price I pay to enjoy the remaining 99% of my computing at work.The only thing I use at work that is not available for my Mac is Origin (data plotting program). They've hinted that future compatibility is coming, and it can't get here soon enough for me.
gauchogolfer said:
No you can't do that. You could physically disassemble the iMac and figure out how to bodge up the screen but that's your only option.
All-in-one means you get everything in one package. When something dies, that's it. That's the primary reason why a lot of people want a mid-range, display-less Mac - like a souped-up Mac mini with more expansion opportunities. Think of a little PowerMac....that would be cool.
ejb190 said:
That's the best part of using Macs. I love when I go to troubleshoot someone's Windows problem, and they see I'm using a Mac.
"Why do you use a Mac?"
"So I don't have to put up with crap like this [points to user's PC]."
MattG said:That's the best part of using Macs. I love when I go to troubleshoot someone's Windows problem, and they see I'm using a Mac.
"Why do you use a Mac?"
"So I don't have to put up with crap like this [points to user's PC]."
Ha ha ha! sniff, sniff... cry, cry, cry.... It's so TRUE!! *looks disdainfully at the PC laptop she so ignorantly bought a year ago*
Clix Pix said:
Yes, it's time to hang up the phone in the phone booth, put on those sunglasses, and go flying into the daytime sky, Neo.