Surf Monkey
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I've posted in three threads about it here and one thread on Apple's support forums. Nothing I've said is incorrect. The fact that you feel the need to lie about both me and the issue says a lot more about you than me.
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Ok... what happened to my camera roll?
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I've posted in three threads about it here and one thread on Apple's support forums. Nothing I've said is incorrect. The fact that you feel the need to lie about both me and the issue says a lot more about you than me.
To those who are defending the Apple design decisions on this one, quoting moved cheese, etc: can you point us to the clear, simple, straightforward, concise document from Apple that explains how all this works? How the pieces fit together, what goes where, how and why photos move and appear from place to place?
This change in functionality is so well thought out and so perfect that surely there is a one page overview of how it all works that answers all the queries posted in these two threads. Right?
This change in functionality is so well thought out and so perfect that surely there is a one page overview of how it all works that answers all the queries posted in these two threads. Right?
Check your Photos folder.
That said, the new "Recently Added" folder has caused another problem that was harder to fix...
For any iOS8 users who use online backup services like Dropbox, your already backed up photos from "Camera Roll" will be recognized as new images from "Recently Added" and be backed up all over again. Server overload! 😱
Changing the name of the folder was a total mistake on the design end. Thanks
ddublu
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"Spamming" is a bold accusation, Padmini. Just because you disagree with Surf Monkey doesn't mean he's a spammer. 😱
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Surf Monkey, did you hear about iOS8's compatibility issue with services like Dropbox?
Since Apple changed the name from Camera Roll to Recently Added, DB recognized older photos as new, unique images and re-backed them up, taking up more of users' allotted space and causing server overloads.
PS Don't pay heed to Padmini. Your input is welcome in an open forum. 🙄
Yes, I've seen that. It is probably OK for me, not for any of my non-technical family members (including the primary user of photo storage). It is also not an Apple document.
So again, where is the clean, concise, thorough document _from Apple_ that explains how all these pieces fit together? It is very, very simple and understandable, so we are told, so surely there is a complete explanation on one page for the non-technically-inclined?
Surf Monkey
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Thanks! I appreciate the support and yes, I've seen the same thing. I have a TON of duplicate images now that are being generated by a number of different apps and are impossible to manage or control under this new system. Some of it will (theoretically) get better when iCloud Drive rolls out, but that's assuming we're cool with uploading all our images to Apple's cloud and losing all distinction between where they were created and how we choose to manage them on a device by device level.
In addition to having more control over sync between devices, I would like to know what kind of protection iCloud Drive offers. I heard iOS8 is protected from law enforcement agencies, but what about hackers? Ammaright?
I find your responses very rude. If you're sick of the "whining," then don't read this thread. Each opinion here is just as valid as yours.
For people like me who loved the function of Camera Roll, I suggest the app RollIt. It makes your Recently Added folder act and look like Camera Roll.
joema2
macrumors 68000
Apple removed the metadata which maintained Camera Roll as a separate folder. IOW the correlation of what photos were in Camera Roll was removed -- by definition that is deletion of information.
Imagine if your email provider decided you shouldn't have such a large inbox, and without notice refiled all your inbox mail to other folders. Would you feel OK because the actual emails were not deleted and you can search for them chronologically?
Many of us used Camera Roll like an inbox and moved photos to other albums as we processed them. We now cannot tell which photos were formerly in Camera Roll. Those photos formerly in Camera Roll can now only be accessed chronologically -- INTERSPERSED with every other photo on the iOS device.
the photos tab is an absolute pain in the tits to use in my opinion. It is absolutely not the same as using the camera roll.
Comprehension vs missed key on a keyboard. Not quite the same thing. One is an accident, the other is a psychological inability to figure something out that's been explain multiple times. I know which guy I'd rather be.
I don't understand the bold part.
If you had photostream on before iOS 8 nearly the second you took a picture (assuming you were on Wifi) your photos were sent to your photostream.
Why is this all of a sudden a problem now? The algorithms for photo uploading haven't changed.
Surf Monkey
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Because I could 1) prevent photos from uploading to it and 2) remove photos from it without having them be removed from my devices as well.
Orlandoech
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Sorry I'm not daft enough to believe someone is distracted that often in a single thread. You keep thinking that though.
You could prevent them how? By not being on cellular or really quickly deleting them out of photostream before it uploaded?
Do you feel that's a good solution? Sounds like a hack.
The reason Apple won't "fix" this is because a lot of people were not using it as intended.
It was and is a temporary storage cloud based system for seeding all your devices. That's it.
I can understand both arguments. When photostream was first introduced is when I decided that I'm going to have one collection of photos not running around and saying "let me show you a pic, hold on its on my <insert 1 of 5 devices here> let me grab it".
But I do know some people want to have different pictures on varying devices. I just don't see apple bringing that back.
Only change I would make (personally, because that is all this is neither of us are right or wrong) is a clear tag that says the device the pic was taken from. Just so you could pick it out quicker and know it got there via photostream. That would make for deleting them off devices you didn't want them easier for those that do that.
Orlandoech
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Next time, read the thread. I've addressed how reading the change log would serve zero purpose here, as have others. Removal of the camera roll is not user error. Like I said, daft.
Surf Monkey
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1) by not being connected to the network when I import photos.
2) it was a passible solution.
3) photostream was most certainly not positioned as only a temporary storage system. It was clear that it was temporary, but it was promoted specifically as a sharing method. It was not for seeding devices as it never pushed filed to any of them, nor did editing files on the photostream have any impact on files residing on those other devices.
4) I'm not sure you are understanding both sides of the argument, actually. Because there's more to it than you seem to realize. For example: knowing which device made an image. Yes, we do need that information, but the reason it has become important is because of the change in how photos are managed on Apple's side. By no longer making a distinction between local and cloud images there's no way to tell whether you're looking at an image that's on the device or a thumbnail of one that's in the cloud. The rollout of iCloud Drive potentially makes this worse by pushing a copy of each of those cloud files to your phone where you can't get rid of them without deleting them from the device and the cloud.
None of this is to say that the previous system was ideal or that the new way doesn't have any advantages. But there really are some fundamental issues with this approach that impact almost every aspect of photo management across the while Apple platform. If you're comfortable with the new system, great. Use it. Use the caramel corn out of it. Just be aware that no amount of reassuring me that "nothing has really changed" is going to change my opinion. Because it's blatantly obvious that a great deal has changed and a good deal more is yet to change with the rollout of Yosemite.
2) it was a passible solution.
3) photostream was most certainly not positioned as only a temporary storage system. It was clear that it was temporary, but it was promoted specifically as a sharing method. It was not for seeding devices as it never pushed filed to any of them, nor did editing files on the photostream have any impact on files residing on those other devices.
4) I'm not sure you are understanding both sides of the argument, actually. Because there's more to it than you seem to realize. For example: knowing which device made an image. Yes, we do need that information, but the reason it has become important is because of the change in how photos are managed on Apple's side. By no longer making a distinction between local and cloud images there's no way to tell whether you're looking at an image that's on the device or a thumbnail of one that's in the cloud. The rollout of iCloud Drive potentially makes this worse by pushing a copy of each of those cloud files to your phone where you can't get rid of them without deleting them from the device and the cloud.
None of this is to say that the previous system was ideal or that the new way doesn't have any advantages. But there really are some fundamental issues with this approach that impact almost every aspect of photo management across the while Apple platform. If you're comfortable with the new system, great. Use it. Use the caramel corn out of it. Just be aware that no amount of reassuring me that "nothing has really changed" is going to change my opinion. Because it's blatantly obvious that a great deal has changed and a good deal more is yet to change with the rollout of Yosemite.
Orlandoech
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3. It was promoted for sharing photos between YOUR devices IE seeding them to your devices. SHARED photostream (which is different) is for sharing. I think I asked someone else this before but didnt you find it strange your are sharing MY photostream and not SHARED photostream? Regardless Apple has always pretty clearly defined what its use was regardless of how people were using it.
4. Photostream on iOS is ALWAYS LOCAL. If you are looking at it on your iOS device is has been uploaded to that device. You are not viewing it on the internet. Goto settings > general > usage > manage storage > photos > my photostream. If you need further proof of that take a picture with another iOS device or move a picture to your photostream on a computer and watch the photostream local storage increase and the local storage on your iOS devices decrease. BTW thats why I'm saying "seed" you take a picture it uploads to photostream and is seeded to your devices.
Here is why I personally prefer the new way over the old way (and yes I know others have very valid reason to prefer the opposite).
Like mentioned I have my shared across all my devices I've learned to appreciate having them all everywhere. In iOS 7 I had to constantly remove pictures from my camera roll and leave them in photostream (it was local storage then too on iOS) if I didn't want a duplicate. This severely limited my access to them from apps. So the alternative was having duplicates. It was a huge waste of space for me so I was constantly micro managing my photos.
NOW its perfect (for me). I take a picture, they goto my other devices wirelessly. I only have one copy of it and I don't need to manage it.