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PC/laptop sales are declining. Tablet sales are declining. 2 in 1's are on the rise.

What did apple do? Make the iPad bigger and release a netbook.

Apple will HAVE to make a 2 in 1 that's not iOS soon.
PC/laptop sales are declining......but only if you're not Apple. Mac sales are growing.
 
PC/laptop sales are declining......but only if you're not Apple. Mac sales are growing.
One must also consider PCs have already saturated the market. For Apple, initially having the lowest share for the past 20 years, any increase will make them at a faster growth than the PC industry.

Which is great because there's not as much of an excuse to not get a Mac as there was years ago.
 
PC/laptop sales are declining. Tablet sales are declining. 2 in 1's are on the rise.

What did apple do? Make the iPad bigger and release a netbook.

Apple will HAVE to make a 2 in 1 that's not iOS soon.

Not Mac sales though; Mac sales have been increasing for a decade, on average.
 
That'll be the halo effect of iPads and iPhones.

I'm a gamer so i invest in Windows. The Surface 3 is my portable. I do love the rMB tho... No interest in the Air and felt the Pro was a waste.

I LOVE Apple products but don't seem to gel with them. Phone, pad or mac... Guess its what i'm use to. I'll keep trying tho. :D
 
While i don't think OS X SHOULD EVER run on the iPad Pro(Edit - before someone says it, yes I know iOS is based on OS X) , iOS needs to be beefed up far more to allow it to even semi compete. Apple need to really work on file management, and while I believe iOS 9 has moved ahead, its still not quite there.

Do you have a particular reason for this? I can say having a full featured full desktop capability OS running on a device the size of an iPad or iPadPro (e.g. a Microsoft Surface or Surface Pro) is very useful and compelling. And I would much rather such a device ran OS X than Windows.
 
Do you have a particular reason for this? I can say having a full featured full desktop capability OS running on a device the size of an iPad or iPadPro (e.g. a Microsoft Surface or Surface Pro) is very useful and compelling. And I would much rather such a device ran OS X than Windows.

The reason I feel this way, is that OS X is just not built for a touch screen and would require major interface changes to work well with a touchscreen, then Application developers would need to do the same.

I have a Intel Atom tablet, and while I think it is cool what they've packed into such a small space, using most Windows Applications (non metro) on a touchscreen is not the best experience (imho anyway).
 
The reason I feel this way, is that OS X is just not built for a touch screen and would require major interface changes to work well with a touchscreen, then Application developers would need to do the same.

I have a Intel Atom tablet, and while I think it is cool what they've packed into such a small space, using most Windows Applications (non metro) on a touchscreen is not the best experience (imho anyway).

I get it. And I completely agree that adding "touch" to OS X would not be a small job (the reasons Apple gave for creating OS X in the first place). But honestly, I find WIN32 apps just fine in Windows 10 on the Surface - they are actually more reliable than Metro/Universal apps for me.

Guess its just a question of what Apple thinks is easier - expanding OS X to offer a fuller desktop feature set (and have the manufacturers try and write "full" iOS versions of their apps) or "Touchify" OS X. I would think the latter is easier but it may have user experience issues Apple would not be happy with. I think Microsoft chose the latter and made the better choice for me (even though I'm not a big Windows fan). It was compelling enough for me to actually buy a Windows machine again - ick.
 
How is the macbook in any way an iPad with a keyboard? It runs a completely different OS and has 10 times the storage. Try using an iPad with a keyboard to take notes at a business meeting, or run photo editing software, or a full version of Excel, multitask multiple applications like text editors, terminal shells, Xcode etc, run games with a little bit more depth than candy crush or cut the rope, or need any type of file management at all, or run linux and windows - be my guest. I'll stick with my Macbook thanks.

Never mind all that - try lying in bed with the iPad Pro on your stomach and typing. ;)
 
I'd like to see the iPad Pro in action, but I suppose I can imagine it simply by using my iPad Air 2. Even with IOS9 on the iPad Air 2 (and the new navigation features) my 12" Macbook does seem to still be my favorite. I'd probably buy an iPad Air 3, and then next 12" Macbook with improved CPU rather than buy an iPad Pro. But of course this is based on my needs, uses and preferences.

So where is the 3D touch for the iPad Pro? I was surprised it didn't include it. That could also be a factor in usefulness in comparing the 12" MB and the iPad Pro.
 
This is not a generational shift issue, it's an OS and usability issue. Tim can make all the predictions he wants about tablets being the future of computing, but the tablet in its current form is not it. If it was, you'd see most college students using them, and you don't.
That's why the predictions are about the future of computing. If you saw most college students with them now, then they wouldn't be predictions about the future.

When we talk about our phones and tablets being our future PC/laptop, we're not talking about today or next year - we're looking at the next decade.
 
They are both the future, while MacBook stands for nearer future, and iPad pro ,Abe a few years after that.
 
That's why the predictions are about the future of computing. If you saw most college students with them now, then they wouldn't be predictions about the future.

When we talk about our phones and tablets being our future PC/laptop, we're not talking about today or next year - we're looking at the next decade.

I get that, but the prediction is a bit glib because you (and I guess more importantly Apple) have to address how tablets will get to that point. The crux of the issue is the method of control: finger/touch vs. mouse/track pad. Both have their pluses and minuses, but what is indisputable is that the interface that's designed for each is very different. I'm sure Apple would love to solve this and have one OS that can be used either way, but that time is not here yet, and may not be for quite a while. The mouse has been around for 30 years and probably isn't going away anytime soon, and for good reason: it works.

IMO, where I think we'll end up, when processor power is high enough, is to have an iPhone/iPad that contains a single OS with both a touch/iOS mode and a mouse/trackpad/OS X mode. On it's own, it defaults to touch mode. When plugged in over USB-C (or something like it) it docks to a monitor and other devices and serves as the brains of a desktop. I'm sure this idea is hardly new, but unfortunately it's probably a long way off.
 
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I get that, but the prediction is a bit glib because you (and I guess more importantly Apple) have to address how tablets will get to that point. The crux of the issue is the method of control: finger/touch vs. mouse/track pad. Both have their pluses and minuses, but what is indisputable is that the interface that's designed for each is very different. I'm sure Apple would love to solve this and have one OS that can be used either way, but that time is not here yet, and may not be for quite a while. The mouse has been around for 30 years and probably isn't going away anytime soon, and for good reason: it works.

IMO, where I think we'll end up, when processor power is high enough, is to have an iPhone/iPad that contains a single OS with both a touch/iOS mode and a mouse/trackpad/OS X mode. On it's own, it defaults to touch mode. When plugged in over USB-C (or something like it) it docks to a monitor and other devices and serves as the brains of a desktop. I'm sure this idea is hardly new, but unfortunately it's probably a long way off.
Agree with most of that. It would be trivially easy to add mouse support to iOS. And obviously iOS keyboards aren't anything new, but now that Apple has officially added one to the iPad Pro, it's pretty clear they see that as at least an interim solution to input.

Imagine full-screen haptic feedback that tricks the mind into thinking you're pushing buttons when typing directly on the screen. Or as you suggest, imagine walking up to any "dumb" terminal with a display, keyboard and mouse and wirelessly connecting to it in a matter of seconds, and input switches from touch-screen/stylus to a mouse/trackpad.

Sometimes it's really hard to "imagine" what future technology is going to look like... look how wrong virtually every classic sci-fi program got it. The iPad is far more advanced than just about anything depicted on 1960's Star Trek (other than space travel).
 
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