He's actually trying to get rid of all his old macs, so I may be buying a 128k also and probably an MDD. We'll see what happens. Full report forthcoming...
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The trip ended up being very productive, and I'm glad I took extra money along.
The guy who owned the business took me back to a closet in the back of the office, and opened it to show me a number of G4s and some other odds and ends. I asked him how much for everything, and he said to make an offer. I pulled out $160(all the cash I had on me) and he said it was too much then handed me back $40.
In any case, I bought a 350mhz Yikes! with what I think might be a tuner card along with a 667mhz DA with a USB 2.0 and SCSI card
A dual 1.25 MDD, a 17" ADC flatpanel, a big stack of keyboards and mice, and of course the 80lb monstrosity of a monitor.
I also noticed a shelf full of good, old software. There were several copies of Photoshop, Quark, Indesign, and plenty of other stuff. Some of it is too old to run on a new world ROM Mac(or at least not without hooking up a floppy to install it
) but still good stuff. That set me back the last $40 I had with me, but it was a BUNCH of stuff.
Needless to say, this was a graphic design company clearing out stuff.
The CRT is graphite and not blueberry as I'd hoped(and the ad indicated) but since I at least have one I'll take it
The guy who owned the business took me back to a closet in the back of the office, and opened it to show me a number of G4s and some other odds and ends. I asked him how much for everything, and he said to make an offer. I pulled out $160(all the cash I had on me) and he said it was too much then handed me back $40.
In any case, I bought a 350mhz Yikes! with what I think might be a tuner card along with a 667mhz DA with a USB 2.0 and SCSI card
A dual 1.25 MDD, a 17" ADC flatpanel, a big stack of keyboards and mice, and of course the 80lb monstrosity of a monitor.
I also noticed a shelf full of good, old software. There were several copies of Photoshop, Quark, Indesign, and plenty of other stuff. Some of it is too old to run on a new world ROM Mac(or at least not without hooking up a floppy to install it
) but still good stuff. That set me back the last $40 I had with me, but it was a BUNCH of stuff. Needless to say, this was a graphic design company clearing out stuff.
The CRT is graphite and not blueberry as I'd hoped(and the ad indicated) but since I at least have one I'll take it
He didn't have it at that office-I've told him that I'm definitely interested, though.
I asked about yellowing, and he said that his business partner use to carry it around with him in the custom-made carry case and it's still store in that, so it should be in good shape.
I asked about yellowing, and he said that his business partner use to carry it around with him in the custom-made carry case and it's still store in that, so it should be in good shape.
It's alive!
I have it hooked up to the Yikes!-currently running Panther(no OS 9 to be found). I'll run Yosemite on it afterwhile
The MDD booted right up to Leopard also.
Unfortunately, the DA has some issues. It boots to Panther or Tiger(not sure which) and then KPs. I tried fsck, but it reported an unrepairable error so I'm suspecting that the hard drive is dead. Even so, I'm going to try disk warrior sometime or another and see if the disk is salvageable.
I have it hooked up to the Yikes!-currently running Panther(no OS 9 to be found). I'll run Yosemite on it afterwhile
The MDD booted right up to Leopard also.
Unfortunately, the DA has some issues. It boots to Panther or Tiger(not sure which) and then KPs. I tried fsck, but it reported an unrepairable error so I'm suspecting that the hard drive is dead. Even so, I'm going to try disk warrior sometime or another and see if the disk is salvageable.
Thanks, but once again Disk Warrior comes to the rescue! I booted off the DW DVD, let it rebuilt the directory on the drive, and the computer is working perfectly.
Panther or Tiger?? I'm guessing Panther since the Yikes! was running it. Also, what about the MDD??
Panther, just like the Yikes!
Surprisingly enough, the software on the Yikes! is more current than on the DA. Interestingly enough, they tried to download Firefox 19 in 2013, so the computer hasn't been retired for too long. Actually, all three computers have files as recent as 2013. The Yikes! is running Photoshop and Illustrator CS(one could call Photoshop CS Photoshop 8), while the DA still has(I think) version 5.5 of Illustrator. The box for 5.5 calls for a 68020, System 6, and 5mb of RAM. I'm not sure if it's a "fat" binary or if it's strictly a 68K program. I launched it a minute ago, and it worked fine-if it's a 68K program, that mean's it's running in the OS 9 virtual machine inside OS X and using the 68K emulator in OS 9
Also, the Yikes! has 704mb of RAM(2x256, 1x128, 1x64) and the DA has 3x128. Of course, the Yikes! maxes out at 1gb(4x256) and the DA at 1.5gb(3x512)-I need to order some more 256mb sticks as I have several computers that I want to load with RAM and that's the largest they will take.
Also, of the three the DA was the only one with an OS 9 System Folder. I made the stupid mistake of trying to boot off of it before checking to see if the OS 9 drivers were installed. I got stuck, and the "X" trick to boot into OS X for some reason didn't work on this computer(or maybe the X on my keyboard is dead
). I booted off an OS 9 disk to try and change the start-up disk, but then(stupidly) remembered that OS 9 wouldn't even be able to see the HDD. I had to boot off an OS X disk to get it back up.The MDD is-as said-a dual 1.25 and is running Leopard. It does at least have OS 9 drivers installed
, although I'd have to install a second hard drive and run the restore disks(which fortunately I have) to get OS 9. Or, I guess I could drag and drop a system folder from another MDD. MDDs take a special OS 9.2.2 build, and the only way to get it on the computer is to run the full restore disks and let it dump the system folder in with 10.2.3 for classic support(or at least that's what Apple wanted you to do, although the folder is bootable).One other interesting thing-right now, I have the 21" set up right next to the 17" ADC CRT. The degaussing coil on the 21" is really powerful. When the monitor degausses on start-up, it makes the 17" "wavy" also. OS X will only let you degauss about every 10 minutes-I guess it takes that long for the degaussing caps to charge.
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I did get the Yikes! upgraded to Tiger. I didn't feel like changing to a DVD drive, so used CDs and I forget how painfully slow it is. I really wish there was a way to skip installing all the languages...
In any case, I spent some time comparing the 21" to the 17" ADC. I was really excited about the 21", but honestly I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed in the 21" at 1600x1200. The refresh rate drops too low(I think 60hz) and the image gets "quivery" and loses sharpness. It's a LOT more comfortable at 1024x768, where the refresh rate goes up to 75hz. I also had to spend a while tweaking the beam convergence, as the upper left corner was a bit "fuzzy" and then getting the geometry right. The focus still wasn't perfect in that corner, so I shifted the whole thing down and right. Finally, I also did a manual soldering gun degauss on that part of the screen, which fixed it for good(with as powerful as the built in degausing coil is, I'm surprised I had to do that). That brings me back to the good old days of CRTs, although I have to admit that it's really nice to be able to do all of it through the OS. Now that it's set up, it's beautiful. I want to play with this in a couple of other versions of OS X and see how much functionality is retained.
Interestingly, the 17" is actually pretty comfortable-albeit small-at 1600x1200. I think it keeps the refresh rate somewhere up around 70hz at that resolution, and the refresh is crazy high at lower resolutions. I don't think I could work very long with it at 1600x1200, but it's an absolute joy at 1024x768. I just hope that my second one arrives undamaged so I can actually use one of these to their full potential.
It is fun, though, to hit the degauss on the 21" and watch it degauss the 17" also. I get "ripples" in the 21" when I degauss the 17, but the 21 seems to have about as much effect on the 17 as the built-in degaussing coil on it.
In any case, I spent some time comparing the 21" to the 17" ADC. I was really excited about the 21", but honestly I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed in the 21" at 1600x1200. The refresh rate drops too low(I think 60hz) and the image gets "quivery" and loses sharpness. It's a LOT more comfortable at 1024x768, where the refresh rate goes up to 75hz. I also had to spend a while tweaking the beam convergence, as the upper left corner was a bit "fuzzy" and then getting the geometry right. The focus still wasn't perfect in that corner, so I shifted the whole thing down and right. Finally, I also did a manual soldering gun degauss on that part of the screen, which fixed it for good(with as powerful as the built in degausing coil is, I'm surprised I had to do that). That brings me back to the good old days of CRTs, although I have to admit that it's really nice to be able to do all of it through the OS. Now that it's set up, it's beautiful. I want to play with this in a couple of other versions of OS X and see how much functionality is retained.
Interestingly, the 17" is actually pretty comfortable-albeit small-at 1600x1200. I think it keeps the refresh rate somewhere up around 70hz at that resolution, and the refresh is crazy high at lower resolutions. I don't think I could work very long with it at 1600x1200, but it's an absolute joy at 1024x768. I just hope that my second one arrives undamaged so I can actually use one of these to their full potential.
It is fun, though, to hit the degauss on the 21" and watch it degauss the 17" also. I get "ripples" in the 21" when I degauss the 17, but the 21 seems to have about as much effect on the 17 as the built-in degaussing coil on it.
The second 17" ADC CRT arrived today, and fortunately it's nearly perfect. I'm going to have to play with convergence a bit as(once again) the upper left corner is fuzzy. Since I have both monitors set up beside each other and both have focus issues in the same location, I'm thinking that I need to look for a stray magnetic field that's possibly causing it...
Now the only monitor left from four I posted at the start of this thread is the 15" "Blueberry" LCD
Now the only monitor left from four I posted at the start of this thread is the 15" "Blueberry" LCD