Old Cartoons vs. New Cartoons

[Tomorrow]

I remember an episode of the original Yu-Gi-Oh! in 2002 where a gun had to be made transparent in a guy's hand, though his hand was in the position of holding a gun!

Think back to the old Popeye cartoons - I'm talking about the old black-and-white shows from the 20's and 30's. It is singularly the most inappropriate and most violent show, cartoon or otherwise, to ever hit the airwaves. Here's a synopsis that applies to nearly every episode:

Metaphorically,

Popeye and Olive Oyl are doing whatever they happen to be doing that day - building a bridge (I'm serious), sailing a ship, whatever.

Wimpy enters. Hijinks ensue.

Bluto enters. Gets the hots for Olive Oyl. Gets Popeye out of the picture, usually by beating the s**t out of him. Makes his moves on Olive Oyl, who is repulsed by him (almost a metaphore for rape).

Popeye 'roids up (spinach) and beats the s**t out of Bluto. Popeye and Olive Oyl live happily ever after.

The fight scenes were often brutal - these guys would hit each other with tree trunks, throw knives and swords at each other, etc.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I completely disagree if you think cartoons these days are "watered down". I am always flipping through channels just to see cartoon teenage girls with thongs showing in kids shows!

I've never seen a cartoon featuring teenage girls' thongs - thankfully I have a boy, and he's too young to be interested in such nonsense. Hopefully by the time he is interested, he'd rather see it on a non-cartoon girl

Kim Possible, Phineas and Ferb, and The Replacements, just to name a few.

+1 for P&F. I love that show!!

BTW, there seem to be a lot of youngsters on here reminiscing about shows like Johnny Bravo and Thundercats when they were kids. I didn't think I was all that old, but when I was a kid I was watching Scooby Doo (way, way before Scrappy came along and the show jumped the shark), Fat Albert, Speed Racer, Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Popeye, stuff like that. There's still some good stuff on today, though - Phineas and Ferb is a great show, I've gotten into that one quite a bit. Spongebob is not my thing, and the new age of anime doesn't really do it for me, either.

 

[barkmonster]

Are you insane?? For an adult, sure, but for a sub-teen??

You have a point there, I think ren would just plain scare the hell out of a young kid. I was 14 when it came out so I suppose that was different. I think the Skexis on Dark Crystal are far worse though and I was scared to death of them when I watched that at the age of 5.

Just remembered a good one, but had to check if it had been mentioned.

Pinky, and the Brain. Perhaps because I identify so much with Pinky. noog.

You can't go wrong with Pinky & Brain but being able to stand the sheer noise of Animaniacs would be too much to bear

Better off with stand alone episodes for your OWN sanity let alone the child!

 

[mysterytramp]

Excuse me!!!!

Snidely Whiplash (obviously a lawyer) would have Dr. Zin for lunch.

You aren't serious!?!?!??! That moron couldn't keep Dudley Do Right tied to a railroad track. Dr. Zin nearly defeated the greatest hero this side of Steve McQueen .... Race Bannon!

mt

 

[MacVixen]

Classic Looney Tunes for me - first, last, always.

However.... my 3 year old and 1 year old have yet to see the joy in Mom's old classics so we watch some of the modern stuff on Noggin. Lots of crap, for sure, but some of my personal favorites are Wow Wow Wubbzy and Yo Gabba Gabba (not technically a cartoon, but still.... Mark Mothersbaugh from Devo teaching art lessons? Biz Markie teaching beat lessons? The Roots and The AgroLites as musical guests?? Love it!!)

 

[Queso]

Wacky Races and it's spinoffs Dastardly & Muttley in their Flying Machines and The Perils of Penelope Pitstop spin-off were pretty funny. The Anthill Mob were hilarious.

Also just about anything with Wile E. Coyote.

 

[MattyK]

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[omarwashington]

Name of a old cartoon.

I'm trying to find the name of a old cartoon, not too old thou because it was in color. It's with a lot of farm animals and they are all eating the vegetation on the farm. Does anyone know which Cartoon this might be. I think it was a Disney short but I can't remember.

 

[BlackSnow]

Loony Tunes
Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy
DBZ
Ed, Edd, and Eddy
Codename: Kids Next Door
Powerpuff Girls

 

[taylorwilsdon]

As a child of the (very early) 90's, you're right, but I can appreciate a show like the Simpsons for what it is - much deeper than anything you'd catch on the Looney Toons.

The garbage they run on TV now is astonishing.

 

[DavieBoy]

I think that the 90's were the apex of cartoons. Sure the 70's and 80's had great cartoons but I do not think the quality was there yet. The 90's cartoons had a very high quality, with nothing topping the quality of Batman: the animated series. It seems now that they have this new technology and most shows look cheap. Thank god they will eventually release everything on DVD so I can relive my childhood with my kids.

 

[Mousse]

Think back to the old Popeye cartoons - I'm talking about the old black-and-white shows from the 20's and 30's. It is singularly the most inappropriate and most violent show, cartoon or otherwise, to ever hit the airwaves.

I miss those old cartoons. I grew up watching all sorts of violent cartoons from Popeye to Tom & Jerry (a hard core version of Itchy and Scratchy) to Astro Boy. (very disturbing. The hero has weapons coming out his derrière.) Just imagine Superman killing Lex with a well aimed turd? Yes, very disturbing.

Never once did I feel the urge to flatten a guy's skull with a skillet ala Tom & Jerry. Nor have I felt the need to punch a guy multiple times through a brick wall ala Popeye. Definitely, I've never, EVER attacked anyone with projectile manure. I don't buy into that cartoon violence translates to real violence. Bad parenting is the only thing to blame.

 

[BanjoBanker]

Clearly I am the OLDEST person on today because no one has mentioned the original Johnny Quest! As a kid in the sixties, Johnny was my hero! The adventures he and Hadji and his trusty dog Bandit had always gave me the wander lust. And he did not have to go to school, ever, how cool was that. I guess he was the first home schooled kid since his dad was a famous scientist and he always had Johnny taging along on some dangerous adventure. Space Ghost was cool too, but Johnny Quest was it for me!

 

[eleven2brett]

Its the new cartoons animation that I can't stand. The figures are so jagged and poorly drawn. It just seems so cheaply made. The content is bothering to me as well. If I'm not mistaken, some of the last (what I consider to be real cartoons) were made in 2002ish. After that it was a spiral into oblivion.

 

[puckhead193]

Ren and Stimpy
rubber nipples or powdered toastman anyone
anyone want to play with log
/thread

 

[DeepIn2U]

Oh my.. I have this argument with kids all the time now!

What is out today is very watered down compared to what we had growing up in the late 70s/early 80s. Gods.. thinking about it, not only would you not see a gun of any type in a cartoon today (I remember an episode of the original Yu-Gi-Oh! in 2002 where a gun had to be made transparent in a guy's hand, though his hand was in the position of holding a gun!), but not even fireworks can be seen, let alone used! To be honest, you have to blame parents in the early 90s for it. Why? because they were too stupid to let the TV raise their kids who thought it was cool to copy Beavis and Butthead putting dynamite/fireworks up a cat's butt.

So everything today is completely watered down and considered 'safe' because parents still don't want to take responsibility, and let the religious right scare them into impunity. Anywho, shows back then that would blow everything today out of the water: Thundercats, GI Joe (GI Joe would have been a huge piece of propaganda for the past 8 years; glad Bush missed that one!), Voltron, Transformers, Tom and Jerry, Droopy, Looney Toons (that have NOT been altered by Turner), Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, Silverhawks, Tranzor Z, Robotech, too many more than I can post. And all of them had good lessons in them too, that applied with something we had that parents now don't teach: COMMON SENSE.

You're doing the right thing, because when it comes to toons (anime withstanding), the classic rule.

BL.

Hey to clarify ... .Voltron with the Lions, not that stupid multiple 26 something vehicular junk they tried on us!
Lion-o and Panthro (ThundarCats)
Silverhawks! Dude you actually remember that too?! Awesome! Too bad they cut it short. Actually this was a loose play off of G-Force and I'm so happy the alien kid in this show wasn't some sort of a retard.Hey our cartoons showed that disabled (mentally disabled) characters are people too, not just shunned.

What on EARTH is Tranzor Z?! I figure you're the same age as me (30 something) but I've never heard of this show.

You ALSO forgot a few others...
Grandizer! You cannot love Robotech (aka Macross) without first loving Grandizer!! Danguard Ace! also late 70's era hand drawn cartoon love. Last but not least is StarBlazers ... and that French-Canadian version of it where some little girl would run forever after the space-battleship flying off in the sunset, in the credits. I never could understand that show (language wasn't as much a barrier when I was young).

Think back to the old Popeye cartoons - I'm talking about the old black-and-white shows from the 20's and 30's. It is singularly the most inappropriate and most violent show, cartoon or otherwise, to ever hit the airwaves. Here's a synopsis that applies to nearly every episode:

I actually loved watching those too. But I was VERY VERY young maybe 3-6 before Buffalo29 channel stopped playing those on Sunday afternoons. Betty Boo cartoons also had some violence. I think she's the only cartoon character that has been attempted being raped several times. really warped those Betty Boo cartoons.

LooneyToons will ALWAYS be a classic staple of my laughs: Foghorn Leghorn, Speedy & Slowpoke Gonzales, Porky, Bugs, Weasel with his slurping tongue lol. But to be honest I draw the line with Looney Toones that pre-date 1965. Some of the really old ones where too racist for me to deal with.

Big shouts to Ren & Stimpy. Some of those shows you REALLY had to be stoned to fully understand; that's what I believe.

PS: some great things that the RoboTech series showed us kids before reality was the following:
Eye Reticle for targeting (Robotech: 3yrs before the AH Apache chopter had it, Macross: 5yrs prior)
Drones: 9yrs before the US AirForce/Military ever conceived them.
Eyelid firing/Lock-on Targeting Concept: now being tested.
Variable Thrust angle: YF-21 in Macross Plus movie was 3 yrs before any information of Lockheed-Martin began working on the F-22 Raptor. The YF-21 had 3 vectors to control thrust, F-22 has 2.

 

[Techhie]

I remember staying up to ridiculous hours as a kid in the 90's to watch Tex Avery's feature on Cartoon Network. What very different times we are in now

 

[dingster1]

My son went and bought a dvd set of all the old Looney Tunes cartoons. They keep him howling for hours. I cant get into this new stuff, although I like the Penguins of Madagascar. My son also likes the older tv shows from the 70's more than regular tv

 

[TheSVD]

im a nineties kid, and i sue to live off of cartoon network
so for me its :
dexters lab, johnny bravo (best thing EVER), ed edd and eddy, tom and jerry, looney tunes, courage the cowardly dog, and many more They were all awesome, all this new stuff is ass!

 

[shivermetimbers]

The Bugs Bunny Road-Runner Show was awesome 30+ years ago. Now that I think of it....it was super violent...same with Tom and Jerry. But that was my generation. I did not put too much thought into nor did my parents. I would let my kids watch the same stuff. I drank out of a garden hose, stayed outside till I got screamed at to come in and when I did I was usually bleeding from somewhere from either a fight or wipe out on my peddle bike. I'll get flamed form this I am sure.....our society now acts like a bunch of pusses and we coddle our young to the point they cant fend for themselves....

 

[.Andy]

I'll get flamed form this I am sure.....our society now acts like a bunch of pusses and we coddle our young to the point they cant fend for themselves....

Kids these days.

 

[Ttownbeast]

not exactly a cartoon--the great space coaster

 

[Ttownbeast]

The thing about Animaniacs is that they put references of old slapstick comedy and vaudeville into just about each one of their shows. For example, in 'Woodstock Slappy', they do a play on Abbott & Costello's "Who's on First?" skit with the bands at Woodstock, .........

That "who's on first' bit using the band was a rehash from (oh hell I don't want to believe I'm not adding to the joke somehow) Who's the Boss with Allysa Milano and Tony Danza--Don't start with any Abbot and Costello schtick on me or I shall figure out a way to SMITE YOU!

 

[Thomas Veil]

I don't think anyone's mentioned:

Huckleberry Hound
Yogi Bear
Mr. Magoo
The Pink Panther

And yeah, Wacky Races and Johnny Quest. Like mysterytramp, I still remember that giant eyeball/spider thing. When I was a kid, that was the freakiest thing I'd ever seen.

 

[bradl]

Hey to clarify ... .Voltron with the Lions, not that stupid multiple 26 something vehicular junk they tried on us!
Lion-o and Panthro (ThundarCats)
Silverhawks! Dude you actually remember that too?! Awesome! Too bad they cut it short. Actually this was a loose play off of G-Force and I'm so happy the alien kid in this show wasn't some sort of a retard.Hey our cartoons showed that disabled (mentally disabled) characters are people too, not just shunned.

Just about have every episode of Silverhawks on tape! Luckily, they released the box set of those, so I've grabbed them.

What on EARTH is Tranzor Z?! I figure you're the same age as me (30 something) but I've never heard of this show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranzor_Z

Youtube for it, and enjoy!

You ALSO forgot a few others...
Grandizer! You cannot love Robotech (aka Macross) without first loving Grandizer!! Danguard Ace! also late 70's era hand drawn cartoon love. Last but not least is StarBlazers ... and that French-Canadian version of it where some little girl would run forever after the space-battleship flying off in the sunset, in the credits. I never could understand that show (language wasn't as much a barrier when I was young).

That was Force 5, wasn't it? Danguard Ace, Grandizer, GaiKing, Spaceketeers, and Starvengers. Out of those all of Force Five, I liked Starvengers the most.

LooneyToons will ALWAYS be a classic staple of my laughs: Foghorn Leghorn, Speedy & Slowpoke Gonzales, Porky, Bugs, Weasel with his slurping tongue lol. But to be honest I draw the line with Looney Toones that pre-date 1965. Some of the really old ones where too racist for me to deal with.

But that was the whole point, and the point of my first post. Yes, they were racist, but we can also use those to teach kids nowadays why racism is wrong. By taking the racial characters out and not airing any that have racial ties, they are pretty much rewriting history, by 'pretending' that those didn't exist.

Big shouts to Ren & Stimpy. Some of those shows you REALLY had to be stoned to fully understand; that's what I believe.

A lot of the ones in the early 90s lost me.. Actually anything past 1989 up to the modern anime (save the ones I mentioned, like Animaniacs, YuGiOh!, Cardcaptors (the latter two had absolutely brilliant artwork), etc.) had lost me. Dexter's Lab, PowerPuff Girls, 2 Stupid Dogs, etc.. just terrible. I would honestly prefer Pokemon over that.

PS: some great things that the RoboTech series showed us kids before reality was the following:
Eye Reticle for targeting (Robotech: 3yrs before the AH Apache chopter had it, Macross: 5yrs prior)
Drones: 9yrs before the US AirForce/Military ever conceived them.
Eyelid firing/Lock-on Targeting Concept: now being tested.
Variable Thrust angle: YF-21 in Macross Plus movie was 3 yrs before any information of Lockheed-Martin began working on the F-22 Raptor. The YF-21 had 3 vectors to control thrust, F-22 has 2.

Agreed.. and you'd start to see those filter back into animation late in the 80s to early 1990, with Liquid TV showing Aeon Flux. There's another good one.

EDIT: Gonna throw on some others that were great that the plots would be lost on those so self-indulgent today. First, is Mysterious Cities of Gold. While born out of anime, this came in huge in the early Nickelodeon days, blending anime, history, and SciFi. There really wasn't much like it at that time.

Second, Belle and Sebastian. This actually was the first cartoon I saw that didn't involve blowing anything up, super powers, or being too goody-goody (read: Smurfs). Great plot, and gave me a soft spot for any Pyrenees dog or any dog named Belle (like my miniature schnauzer).

BL.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Just about have every episode of Silverhawks on tape! Luckily, they released the box set of those, so I've grabbed them.

Sweet find. Time to look for them at the local comic store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranzor_Z

Youtube for it, and enjoy!

Dude ... not bad actually. The similarities between it and Danguard Ace are striking. I think I could like this.

(G-Force)
That was Force 5, wasn't it?

nope it wasn't Force 5; Grandizer was though

Starvengers now THAT was cool too. Totally forgot about that one.
Most of these shows always had a tough guy that was overweight too but still cool and respected. Not much of that in the sandbox for the past few decades. Even the Girls where powerful and useful members of a team and had a significant purpose other than having seriously protruding boobs or nipples and just lipstick wearing jibba jabba talking princesses.


Spaceketeers? Oh hell yeah I only got to see 1 season of that before the channels got shifted up/down a few in Ontario. It's either between this or Superman ('79) Movie that I was surfing my bed, jumped up in the air like a kid on a trampoline and laid flat in the air and came down with my body on the mattress but my nose got cracked on the end of the foot board (solid pine wood). It bled for hours before my mom came home and I swear it broke; but I didn't care and wiped it before she saw it. Didn't want to goto the hospital.

But that was the whole point, and the point of my first post. Yes, they were racist, but we can also use those to teach kids nowadays why racism is wrong. By taking the racial characters out and not airing any that have racial ties, they are pretty much rewriting history, by 'pretending' that those didn't exist.

hmm. Interesting take/thought on that. Decently intended thoughts but we may be better off without seeing them as long as we did and featured in a documentary. But I get what you're saying, so much is watered down lately kids barely know what right from wrong is. For us we had parents that actually acted like parents that taught us - or beat our asses if we were REALLY naughty/bad. Now parents just shower kids with nothing but compliments, electronics, money, and say silently amongst themselves oh he's/she's just a kid and its a phase their going through (when their kids are doing something wrong).

Just the other day my friends and I were trying to remember some old skit and laughed at one another because non-of us knew the name. My girlfriend/wife heard us talking and just simply blurted out a name. We all went silent and hit our PC's franticly. Sure enough (being 4yrs younger than I) she was spot on. How I don't know. SO I'd like to share it with you all.

La-Lina
Buyou ba do ba do bado bado badodoo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs7k5WWOZIM&feature=related