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  1. rom623drh macrumors newbie

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    My Mac G5 PPC keeps shutting down. there are times it will run most of the day, and then there are those days, runs a few minutes and shuts down, reboots fine, shuts down, reboots fine; shuts down. I've only been using Mac for a short period of time, I love my machine, but this is getting a little unnerving. any help!
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  2. Hack5190 macrumors 6502a

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    Have you looked at the system logs (Console) to see if there are any clues? This might help explain why and what kind of 'shut down' is happening.
     
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    what would I be looking for? It appears that my printer Kodak ESP 3.2 is the main topic, and I don't even have it connected. Shut down, ran for 30mins. I hear the fan or fans kick in when first starting then I'm not sure if they are running during operation. Someone suggested graphics card?
     
  4. Hack5190 macrumors 6502a

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    Look under "Log Database Queries" then "All Messages". Below is a sample from the log on my G5....

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    12/6/15 4:13:10 PM kernel PCI sleep prevented by non-power-managed IOService (5)
    12/6/15 4:13:10 PM kernel IOPMSlotsMacRISC4::determineSleepSupport has canSleep true
    12/6/15 4:13:27 PM kernel PM notification timeout (pid 120, SystemUIServer)
    12/6/15 4:13:28 PM kernel IONetworkController::disable
    12/6/15 4:13:29 PM kernel System Sleep
    12/7/15 9:11:56 AM kernel System Wake
    12/7/15 9:11:56 AM kernel Wake event 0800 
    Edit: The log is time stamped - review the entries before it shut down and after you powered it on. Look for errors, failures and anything else that jumps out as being bad / wrong.
     
  5. mooblie macrumors 6502

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    It's not overheating, with old dust/fluff accumulated in the vents/heatsinks/fans, etc?
     
  6. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    That is what I would suspect. If you get a chance, install iStat Menus or Menu Meters. That will let you get an idea of how hot the CPU is getting.

    I assume by "shutdown" you mean that all of a sudden the Mac just shuts off and the screen goes dark. Correct?

    If so, than yeah, it's probably thermal shutdown due to overheating. Another question to consider. Does it start shutting down more frequently and faster the heavier you use the machine? If so, probably another tipoff to overheating.
     
  7. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    How do I get to "Log Database Queries"?
     
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    Could it be a RAM issue? Thinking it could be a bad stick
     
  9. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Usually that's just a freeze though. Not a fan-stopping quiet, screen went dark kind of thing.
     
  10. mryingster macrumors regular

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    Is this a PowerMac or an iMac G5? If the latter, it's very likely due to the capacitors in the power supply. Apple used a bad batch of capacitors, and as they aged, they began bulging and failing. I had an iMac that would do just what you are describing.
     
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    First you need to start Console then it should be the top line - see below picture....
     

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  12. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I had considered that the first time it happen, pulled all the sticks out replaced, it still shut down. but thank you for responding.
     
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    I had considered that the first time it happen, pulled all the sticks out replaced, it still shut down. but thank you for responding.
     
  14. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Got it!! Still the only big issue is the Kodak esp 3.2 printer which is not connected. Though I'm not sure what I was looking for, but the only crash report was WORD failed to open, I relaunched, and opened right up. Nothing other than that.
     
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    This is a PowerMac PPC g5
     
  16. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    This is a PowerMac PPC g5
     
  17. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Ran AppleJack, took it apart for cleaning, pulled what components I could, fan, Graphics card, mem sticks, give it a good cleaning, (fans were pretty clean, as well as the upper compartment, but the lower area / you can't get into / I did blow dust out of there), put it back together, fired it up, downloaded the meters. Still running, 5 hrs. Drive Bay temp. (1832*) I'm assuming bad sensor, nothing has melted yet!! running temp 107* is that good?
     
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    Ensure you system clock is set properly - then watch your clock and take note of the the time when it shuts down. Fire your machine back up and post a portion of the log up to the shutdown. Depending on the volume (number) of entries but a few minutes should be enough.
     
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    107 is pretty good for a G5. It's possible to hit a little above 170º or so (freaked me out the first time I saw that) but that's extreme.

    The next step would be new thermal paste if it is indeed overheating.

    Watch the temps on the CPUs for a while. If they fluctuate more than a few degrees under minimal stress then you probably need to repaste them.
     
  21. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Depending on the type of printer you can either delete it in the Settings app under Printers, run the install app and choose undelete or find an uninstall app/script from the manufacturer. The maker of your printer should have a support document describing how to uninstall.
     
  22. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I did note the time of the last shut down this morning, but I'm not sure I looked at the right logs, but still didn't find anything unusual other than the Printer. If it shuts down again I will make close notice as to the time and post a log report. thank you for your help.
     
  23. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Both CPU AMB under 85* steady CPU A 108 CPU B 115 fluctuating a couple of degrees either way
    Heatsink 160 + -
     
  24. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Just at idle? It should be steady at idle. In other words, it shouldn't increase then cool down then repeat.
     
  25. rom623drh thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Consle Log NOTE:: Shut down at 11:45 am
    12/11/15 11:43:15 AM [0x0-0x18018].com.microsoft.Entourage[136] /n QD image printing path.../n
    12/11/15 11:44:34 AM /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Entourage.app/Contents/MacOS/Microsoft Entourage[136] Warning: accessing obsolete X509Anchors.
    12/11/15 11:54:45 AM kernel Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:57:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_PPC
    12/11/15 11:45:05 AM quicklookd[147] !!! _NSLayoutTreeLineFragmentUsedRectForGlyphAtIndex invalid glyph index 14392
    12/11/15 11:54:42 AM com.apple.launchctl.System[2] fsck_hfs: Volume is journaled. No checking performed.
    12/11/15 11:54:42 AM com.apple.launchctl.System[2] fsck_hfs: Use the -f option to force checking.
    12/11/15 11:54:44 AM com.apple.launchctl.System[2] launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach_init.d/dashboardadvisoryd.plist
    12/11/15 11:54:44 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.adobe.versioncueCS3) Unknown key: ServiceDescription
    12/11/15 11:54:44 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.RemoteDesktop.PrivilegeProxy) Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
    12/11/15 11:54:44 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.usbmuxd) Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
    12/11/15 11:54:44 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.cups.cupsd) Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight
     

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