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W2u7Yw4HaD

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while interesting this won’t turn things around in terms of salss

Time to give the MacBook touchscreen and integrate the two and kill off the iPad. Or call it something else like MacBook Touch.

They run the same chipset. Time to rip off the bandaid. Sales are down. Come up with something new.
Touchscreen is the first thing I turned on my **** Dell work notebook.. Have you tried to hover your hand for hours on end on your laptop screen? Go ahead and try it.. unless you can fold the keyboard away to lay the notebook flat, its a thing which works well in space only without gravity..
 

Take Flight

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When I see years like 2027, it makes me wonder how far out micro-led tech is. Almost wish we could skip this oled iteration and go straight there.
srsly… we’re talking about 2027 rumors…gtfo
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t0rqx

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oled macs cannot be future proof...are display in long burst on devices, not like on smartphones that are short burst on
If Apple can fix screen burn ins with a software update. They can futureproof any device with a software update.
 

joshseibert

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Will they also just get rid of notch on the notebooks please? My work machine is a 14” MBP and it’s so distracting to me. 😖 If it absolutely has to be there, then make it Face ID at least.
 

Born Again

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Touchscreen is the first thing I turned on my **** Dell work notebook.. Have you tried to hover your hand for hours on end on your laptop screen? Go ahead and try it.. unless you can fold the keyboard away to lay the notebook flat, its a thing which works well in space only without gravity..
It’s there if you need it.

I use it on my 3-in-1 notebook if I’m navigating pdfs. It works!

I sometimes wish my MacBook Pro max had touchscreen. I have widgets lol
 
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klasma

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Did I miss something about microLED not working out?
The Apple Watch will be the testing ground, from 2025 on at the earliest. With larger displays, there is the difficulty that yield (absence of defective pixels) is likely to shrink quadratically with the diagonal (for the same DPI), or in other words, cost increases quadratically. That’s why small displays don’t immediately scale to larger sizes. Everyone wishes for Micro-LED to be the next technology, but it remains to be seen whether it’ll be viable, and for which display sizes. We’ll be lucky to see Micro-LED iPhones this decade. I wouldn’t hold my breath for iPads and MacBooks.

Note also the OLED timeline:
2015 Apple Watch
2017 iPhone
2024 (?) iPad
2027 (?) MacBook

Micro-LED may take as long, just shifted by 10 years.
 
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ksec

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Did I miss something about microLED not working out? I thought it was next screen technology, taking over for OLED in about 2024-25 for computing devices. The big benefit blends unique benefits of OLED (like blackest blacks while overcoming the limitation of OLED like burn in). Did that tech fail? Or was there some big delay for it given this is referencing out to "launching in" 2027?

Not it didn't fail. IT is just not ready. 99.9999999% mainstream media site has absolutely zero understanding of technology and production supply chain.

So they keep reporting false promise, and people keep believing in it. Like Apple can move mountain, Apple Modem will be out in 2019, 2020, 2021, 22, 23....24... 25 ......
 

lcseds

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Hopefully it won't burn a line in it like my 14 month old $2500 LG OLED TV. It burned in pretty easily. And LG said "too bad" of course.
 

Jim Lahey

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There are no OLED laptop displays that are high resolution, 120hz, and bright. The tech isn’t there yet. That’s why Macs have Mini LED which has all 3 requirements. It’s the best option right now.

I don’t doubt it. Nevertheless, 120hz high resolution OLED technology is not new in 2023. Apple has the influence to commission a panel maker to manufacture what they need. Brightness is perhaps a contentious issue, but LED will always win at full screen sustained brightness, so if Apple are waiting for that, then they’ll be waiting forever. Which is kind of the whole point of my comment. Apple is an industry titan. If they wanted to have someone build a 16” 120hz OLED laptop panel, they could.
 

smetvid

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The wait for ‘future’ OLED Macs and iPads has become a comedy at this stage. Anyone would think it was bleeding edge technology. It’s 2023. Jokers.
OLED is not as mature as it needs to be for larger computer displays where the same bright content may stay on the screen for hours at a time. While OLED has been in TVs for some time now the same is not so true for computer displays. At least not at a certain level of quality. Not all OLED are created equally just like not all LCD or LED are created equally.

There is no comedy here by waiting for Apple to make OLED reliable and of a certain level of quality. I commend them for their effort to do it right vs the lack of standards we see out there with HDR TVs. HDR is a joke because manufacturers made it a joke. Apple is trying to make OLED better and yes there is a lot of room for improvement there. Maybe you are not aware of it but OLED is very far from perfect in its current state.

I have a more affordable OLED 13" display and it's kind of garbage. Just saying it's OLED is not enough. As consumers we need to be aware that not all OLED are created equal and Apple is trying to create some standard vs just throwing in OLED to make a handful of impatient people happy.
 
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thebluepointe

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Do we really need OLEDs on these devices? I kinda hope there are non-OLED options. Except for use cases where blooming is a huge issue, the current panels seem more than sufficient and longer lasting. Especially on a laptop, even if burn-in is reduced, I doubt it will be zero. I don't want a laptop I have to "baby."
 

Mr. Dee

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Perfect timing for my upgrade in 2027. In fact, I won't be rushing to upgrade my iPad 12.9 from 2017 since its not a mission critical device. Will wait until the switch over to OLED for both then upgrade. The interim will be a Mac Studio in late 2025 and my iPhone 16 Pro Max next year.
 

Jim Lahey

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OLED is not as mature as it needs to be for larger computer displays where the same bright content may stay on the screen for hours at a time. While OLED has been in TVs for some time now the same is not so true for computer displays. At least not at a certain level of quality. Not all OLED are created equally just like not all LCD or LED are created equally.

There is no comedy here by waiting for Apple to make OLED reliable and of a certain level of quality. I commend them for their effort to do it right vs the lack of standards we see out there with HDR TVs. HDR is a joke because manufacturers made it a joke. Apple is trying to make OLED better and yes there is a lot of room for improvement there. Maybe you are not aware of it but OLED is very far from perfect in its current state.

I have a more affordable OLED 13" display and it's kind of garbage. Just saying it's OLED is not enough. As consumers we need to be aware that not all OLED are created equal and Apple is trying to create some standard vs just throwing in OLED to make a handful of impatient people happy.

You make some good points. I’m aware of OLED’s benefits and shortcomings vs. alternatives, but I’m also acutely aware that when I watch dark scened video content on my mini-LED iPad, the ebb and flow of milky clouds swimming around the screen is enough to make me pine for OLED. That said, I’d also be nervous about image retention and uneven degradation in a computer/tablet setting, so I guess it’s down to personal preference.

Perhaps I was being a bit facetious with my original comments, but honestly, if Apple are really waiting until OLED is ‘perfect’ then we will all be waiting until the end of time.
 

Fraserpatty

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So many conflicting reports on next iPad Pro screens
Yes, and this is what is keeping me from getting the M2. If we’re gonna have an OLED screen, I’ll go ahead and get the M2. But if the next iPad keeps the current screen technology, but with an M3 and revved up Neural Engine, I’ll be happy to buy it. I don’t want to pay extra for OLED. Or worry about burn in.
 

kiranmk2

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Did I miss something about microLED not working out? I thought it was next screen technology, taking over for OLED in about 2024-25 for computing devices. The big benefit blends unique benefits of OLED (like blackest blacks while overcoming the limitation of OLED like burn in). Did that tech fail? Or was there some big delay for it given this is referencing out to "launching in" 2027?
It's classic "1-2 years from commercialisation" hype. People may remember that OLED screens were 1-2 years away from comemrcialisation from around 2004 onwards. The first OLED tv came in 2007 (a massive 11" model), but OLED phone screens didn't launch until around 2012 and decent-size OLED TVs until 2013 (and didn't really get a wide launch until 2015).

uLED has been trailed as 1-2 years away from commercialisation since around 2018, so I would not expect anything meaningful until the last years of the 2020s.
 
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