OMG, Vista looks like OS X ..(Video)

[FF_productions]

Why don't people with a mighty mouse count? That's what they ship with now adays

The One-Button Mouse has been around forever....

 

[Dominatus]

Right, but Apple is now switching to devices that have right button functionality, so why don't they count?


Oh and Vista *IS NOT* copying instant search. It was in very early demonstrations of then-named Longhorn. Way before Spotlight was announced.

Oh and Vista isn't copying Widgets either. Here's a preview from 2002:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha.asp

In the Taskbar settings dialog, you can enable the Sidebar (Figure), arguably Longhorn's most discussed feature. The Sidebar is basically a side-mounted menu of sorts, very much like the MSN 8 Dashboard, that lets you display XML-based components, called Tiles. When you enable the Dashboard, it appears (blank) on the right side of the screen by default (Figure). You can minimize it, add Tiles, toggle which side of the screen it appears on, resize it, and determine whether it's translucent (which Microsoft calls transparent). Available Tiles include a clock, a virtual desktop manager, a Most Frequently Used (MFU) programs list, the Quick Launch toolbar, an Internet search bar, a My Photos slide show, and a "user tile," which lets you quickly switch between users (Figure).

 

[FF_productions]

Well, you've proved me wrong.

 

[Timepass]

Right, but Apple is now switching to devices that have right button functionality, so why don't they count?


Oh and Vista *IS NOT* copying instant search. It was in very early demonstrations of then-named Longhorn. Way before Spotlight was announced.

Oh and Vista isn't copying Widgets either. Here's a preview from 2002:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha.asp

I would give up arguing with these people 90% of them dont know what they are talking about. Anything Apple does means Apple did it first and came up with the idea first and everyone else is coping them.

Apple could claim they invented wheel and people would claim they came up with it.

An example Apple came out with the first hard drive mp3 player which is false. I believe it was creative but I know for sure apple was not the first. Apple made it work well.

Spotlight is a rip off of M$ idea and a very weekend verson of WinFS. WinFS was first though up by M$ back before 1998 but computer hardware at the time was not powerful enough to do it. Yeah M$ bit off more than they could chew with WinFS but still they came up with it first and apple rip it off. But a vast majority of the people hre are not going to believe that even though it is the truth.

also this is just an example how over the past few years these foums have been going down hill. To many people who believe every word that apple put out and can not forum there own opinan and there opinan is what apple says.

 

[Project]

It could be argued that everybody ripped off Be|OS, where Dominic Giampaolo implemented desktop search. And he works for, yes, Apple.

 

[Pancake]

I do have to say that there are some pretty nice features in Vista... in particular, I think MS has always done a really nice job with built-in help in their apps (particularly in Office) -- better than Apple built-in help. They've had features like the "show me how" thing before, but it's nice to see it get more broadly implemented.

I agree, I've never liked Apple's built in help and that expanded "show me how" looks good. That's the only thing that interests me though.

 

[McKellar]

On the other hand...it does concern me a little bit that he typed in "word" in the search engine, and got one hit, for WordPad.

Heh, I typed in 'word' into Spotlight, the first hit was WordPad on the Windows partition

 

[BakedBeans]

Right, but Apple is now switching to devices that have right button functionality, so why don't they count?

Actually, they ship a one button mouse that (for the benefit of switchers) has a second button that you can switch on if you chose too.

Oh and Vista *IS NOT* copying instant search. It was in very early demonstrations of then-named Longhorn. Way before Spotlight was announced.

hehheheh...

Oh and Vista isn't copying Widgets either. Here's a preview from 2002:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha.asp

Wow!!!!

2002

try 1984

 

[majorp]

it will still be bloated, still crash and still leave files all over the place when you uninstall something. and will slowly grind to a halt after a while.

 

[BakedBeans]

So whats peoples thoughts on the look of OSX going forward? Clearly, Vista 'looks' prettier. Brushed metal is dead. The iTunes look looks stale.

Sure, its about the function, but for an OS people laud as sexy, it soon wont be the sexiest. Does this bother people? In a a sadistic way I'd be mad if Leopard doesnt look better than Aero Glass. Im certain the OS will be better, but aesthetics are big to me, purely on an ego thing. I often look to my friends Windows computers and show my Mac off. I cant do that no more as Aero Glass looks prettier than Aqua basically.

Shallow? Yes. But id be damned if MS can put something out that looks sexier than Apple. Anybody else feel the same way?

I think the glass looks grim, personally i think it looks gimmicky and unprofessional.

Having all those see through bits with lots of windows open is going to be really horrible.

 

[macOSX-tastic]

i reckon leopard will be a major move from the mixed bag of OS X looks that we have today (brushed and minimal). i think all windows would look a lot more like iLife 06 apps. im looking forward to the demo in august!

S

 

[LxMx]

it will still be bloated, still crash and still leave files all over the place when you uninstall something. and will slowly grind to a halt after a while.

And OS X is different how? At least unistallers remove 99% of program files, dragging to the trash just deletes the app. Go into your prefs file, you'll see files there from programs you deleted ages ago. I much prefer apps that come with uninstallers...

 

[BornAgainMac]

I think the "Ferris Wheel" thing needs to have a Expose feature so that you can find your window faster. I wonder if the Beta ever gets stuck in Ferris Wheel mode and you can't get out or you would have a Ferris Wheel of blue screens of death coming at you. Maybe a Ferris Wheel thing for toggling thru your viruses and spyware.

Also I would like Microsoft to assign a hotkey to bring your gadgets and to press any key to get back out. I don't want to use up the screen space for those gadgets. I hope the taskbar adjust so you can see all your programs, perhaps as a icon or visual icon instead of "Microsoft...." in the name. It looks like you have to manually go to each task to get that information.

 

[Pancake]

And OS X is different how? At least unistallers remove 99% of program files, dragging to the trash just deletes the app. Go into your prefs file, you'll see files there from programs you deleted ages ago. I much prefer apps that come with uninstallers...

But with OS X you know that for 99% of deleted apps any left over files will be in the prefs folder. In my experience Windows has it so you never know where apps are putting files.

Though that be be a app issue not a OS issue.

On another subject, I don't like brushed metal, I miss the pin stripes.

 

[jruc4871]

"It's showing me how to go about the process of checking to find a device driver on my Windows Vista system. Pretty cool."

Wow, Vista sounds awesome!
This is supposed to be a SELLING POINT? Dios mio...

This is why i love OSX - no need to even think about BS like that.

 

[asphalt-proof]

I do have to say that there are some pretty nice features in Vista... in particular, I think MS has always done a really nice job with built-in help in their apps (particularly in Office) -- better than Apple built-in help. They've had features like the "show me how" thing before, but it's nice to see it get more broadly implemented.

On the other hand...it does concern me a little bit that he typed in "word" in the search engine, and got one hit, for WordPad. I got 3400+ hits for Word on my iBook, and it *still* managed to make MS Word the first hit. From that Aero Ferris Wheel thing, he had plenty of apps installed. And presumably content. And was clearly surprised that Word didn't even manage to come up on the hit list. They might need to work on that!

Yeah I saw that too. It kind of threw the commentator guy that he typed in Word and only got Wordpad. You could hear the "WHaa" in his voice when it happened.
Other thoughts:
Didn't like the MS Expose-lite feature. That said, I'm glad they are coming out with something. I find my self slmming my cursor into the lower-right hand corner all the time here at work and am befuddled when nothing happends.
The application/file preview thingy that appears when you put your cursor over the file in the Application bar is nice but expose is faster in my opinion.
I was a bit interested in the extensive help feature that walked you through a process. That was interesting and could be potentially useful so long as it understood EXACTLY what you wanted to do.
Overall, it could be interesting but its still so last year.

 

[mkrishnan]

Didn't like the MS Expose-lite feature. That said, I'm glad they are coming out with something. I find my self slmming my cursor into the lower-right hand corner all the time here at work and am befuddled when nothing happends.

Yeah, agreed and agreed. I constantly find myself flicking my mouse to the corners in Windows and wondering why nothing happens.

I'll have to see the Ferris Wheel feature myself. My concern about it is that Exposé very efficiently lets you see all windows in their entirety, using up the whole screen, while still looking geektoy. This works really well to me, as long as I don't have too too many windows open simultaneously, to the point that they are too small and I can't make out what is what.

In contrast, this Ferris Wheel only seems to use a small portion of the center screen real-estate, and it shows you the windows sequentially with a limited view of all the windows except the top one. So really, it's better than Alt-Tab, but not nearly to the extent Exposé is. Or, ahem, I should say it this way: I've never found Exposé to be that intuitive from the keyboard. I could see the Ferris Wheel being an improvement on Alt-Tab from the keyboard. But using a mouse, Exposé sounds much better to me.

But I'll wait and see it, some day, presumably.

 

[Eniregnat]

This video is pretty funny. It is the Vista feature speech with OS Xs features super imposed.

Part 2 is also funny. Points out all of the "revolutionary features".

Part 3 still funny.

There are a lot of videos about the similarities, but the three above are the most comical.

Of course there is this little lost propaganda film.

 

[Sharewaredemon]

I'm starting to wonder is Vista is vapourware, kinda like Cherry OS.

 

[poppe]

OOOOOOOOOO eye-candy, SO SHINY .

The sad thing is is thats all Microsoft has to do...

You give someone something that looks just like OS X but with a start function and well you've got a lot of people completely content with out Macintosh in their lives.

 

[drewyboy]

I think what worries people is the fact that vista has been in development for a good year or two (maybe longer) and it's still not stable and nowhere near ready to ship. This article just proves that. I seriously don't understand how this OS can be so unstable and have been in development for so long (and it was recoded to make it more stable). Yes I know it's a beta, but a piece of software this far in development should be infinitely more stable. I also love how MSNBC was so negative about vista. You could tell this man genuinely hated installing this OS. Also once it was installed it still wasn't that stable.

Let remember when xp came out..2000..2001?? Also if i remember correctly, Vista was originally suppose to come out early 2005, yet was pushed backed. Also, can't forget the 60% code that had to be redone, and well... I honestly wont be expecting Vista to officially hit the shelves till late 2007, early 2008, that is if Microsuck does it the right way and doesn't put out a half ass late beta version as "gold". But seriously... MS has had 5+ years to put htis out, and they are only playing catch up? I thought software was all MS focused on? This is just plain bad business practice. No company should be able to go this long w/o putting a good product out and still be around. I've said it b4, it's like a car company not putting out a new model for 5 years, you're not gona go to a dealer and pay top premium prices for an '01 are ya?

 

[contoursvt]

it will still be bloated, still crash and still leave files all over the place when you uninstall something. and will slowly grind to a halt after a while.

And that would be a 2x improvement over OSX now which half the time doesnt even give you an unistaller so you gotta get rid of it manually which means hunting for stuff in the system and library folders too.

 

[Core Trio]

Spotlight is a rip off of M$ idea and a very weekend verson of WinFS. WinFS was first though up by M$ back before 1998 but computer hardware at the time was not powerful enough to do it. Yeah M$ bit off more than they could chew with WinFS but still they came up with it first and apple rip it off. But a vast majority of the people hre are not going to believe that even though it is the truth.

If im not mistaken...didnt WinFS not even make it into Vista and it will not be in the final release? If they came up with it oh so many years ago, why is it that they STILL cannot implement it?

I could be wrong as I havent been keeping up with Vista as much as some people here but I think I remember reading that.

 

[Earendil]

this is true, but remember when osx first came out, it practically obsoleted the G3 machines of the time. i had a 500mhz g3 ibook which was blazing under os 9, but under os x it definitely suffered. i'd say it took a year or two for apple's entire line up to 'catch up' with the amount of computing power needed for os x. i'm assuming windows will go through a similar phase.

That said, we have an iMac at home, a Bondi blue 233mhzeek: ) G3 running Panther. Expose is iffy, and it isn't blazing fast, but it runs it, and it runs it without crashing or locking up. And a lot of that is due to only having 312mb of RAM.
For refference, the Bondies came out in Aug of 97, so we're talking 9eek: ) year old Mac running 10.3

Even a few years after Vista's release I'd like to see it running on a 9 year old machine...

As a side note, the iMac's CRT is finally failing. Quite sad really, it's been a hard working 24/7 machine for 4 kids all the way through their middle school/teenage years. That computer has seen it all. And it's never had a failure. The 4gb HD (again ) was replaced with a 40gb HD 2 years ago, but that wasn't because of a failure, but more for a need for space. Anyway, iMac praise over ;-)

~Tyler

 

[xyian]

You can dress up the laziest person in the fastest, lightest track outfit, but they're still gonna be lazy and slow. They're gonna want to crash out on the couch more than they're gonna want to race.