OMG, Vista looks like OS X ..(Video)

[Earendil]

And that would be a 2x improvement over OSX now which half the time doesnt even give you an unistaller so you gotta get rid of it manually which means hunting for stuff in the system and library folders too.

Not at all.

OSX Applications don't require bits and pieces of programs to be installed in mutiple different places. THe prefference folder/file system is the only real part that an application *may* take advantage off, and those are relatively small and inert files. For example my 2.5 year old system has 444 items in the prefs folder. I know what you're thinking, "omg see, see!" but these files account for 14.1mb of my disk space. That's an average of 32.5k per prefference file btw
While a few of them are useless, it's comforting to know if I reinstall Escape Velocity my profiles will all be ready and waiting for me!

The only justification to your post I see is in the Applications Support foler. There Ihave 290mb spread across 51 folders for major applications. All of these Applications though, excluding Unreal Tournament, are all still installed on my system. I don't know how much of that 290 is taken up by none Apple software either...

What erks me the most about Windows installs/uninstalls is that 99.9% of the time, in OSX when you delete the application file of a program, you will NEVER hear from that application again, and will only remember it if you go digging for it's 32k pref file. However in windows you can delete the application, but still get bugged by the program.

Just my take...

~Earendil
~Tyler

 

[Timepass]

If im not mistaken...didnt WinFS not even make it into Vista and it will not be in the final release? If they came up with it oh so many years ago, why is it that they STILL cannot implement it?

I could be wrong as I havent been keeping up with Vista as much as some people here but I think I remember reading that.

that not the point. Spotlight is a rip off of M$ idea. Basicly Apple got it out first but the idea was clearly in M$ betas of vista and came up with first.

Apple copied things from M$ quite a bit. Another big one that people forget about is Fast user switching. M$ is done with how they want fast user switching to work. It is the first step for them to have multiple user log in at actively using the computer at the same time (one person remotely log in while the other is in using the computer.

But as I said before a vaste majority of the people here are going to be blind to those truths and just say M$ coping apple and see the truth that apple copied the stuff from M$

 

[After G]

this is true, but remember when osx first came out, it practically obsoleted the G3 machines of the time. i had a 500mhz g3 ibook which was blazing under os 9, but under os x it definitely suffered. i'd say it took a year or two for apple's entire line up to 'catch up' with the amount of computing power needed for os x. i'm assuming windows will go through a similar phase.

The problem is that you can run OS X decently (though not legally) on the minimum hardware required for Vista. You can run a usable OS X on that 500 MHz G3 iBook. Or even better, Linux

Someone above me posted an anecdote about having OS X 10.3 on a Bondi iMac. 9 YEARS old

 

[nxent]

really?
My brother has a G3 500mhz ibook and it runs as well as a 1,2ghz G4 ibook in every day tasks. Course, lets not talk about the "water effect" in dashboard (which the G4 did not have either) or final cut, which does run.

don't forget tiger's a 'bit more' optimized than it's predecessors. i'm talking '10.0' and 10.1 (10.0 which wasn't even released with dvd support, initially).
naturally it depends on what you define as everyday tasks... navigating the finder and using internet/ ms word vs. using photoshop etc etc. either way, the number of times i'd get that spinning lolipop with that g3 is why i didn't really start using osX until 10.3... which was about the time i sold the ibook and upgraded to the G4 powerbook.
but it just goes it show work has to be done on the hardware and software side for optimization...

 

[nxent]

The problem is that you can run OS X decently (though not legally) on the minimum hardware required for Vista. You can run a usable OS X on that 500 MHz G3 iBook. Or even better, Linux

Someone above me posted an anecdote about having OS X 10.3 on a Bondi iMac. 9 YEARS old

i've heard stories of people installing os x on 40 mhz machines... they'd get to the boot screen, but that's about it...

 

[Dominatus]

Wow!!!!

2002

try 1984

Ugh,....fanboys....

Just because there was an idea billions of years ago does not mean that current application of it is not stolen.

Just because Apple had widget-esque things in 1984 doesn't mean the re-inventing of them for the modern day wasn't inspired by MS.

Did Apple keep widgets in their OS since 84? Did widgets exist in OS X in 2002? No.

Analogy? Does anyone deny that Sony ripped the analog stick idea from the N64? And you know what really bugs me, when people point to old Atari-era systems as proof that Nintendo ripped off them and Sony followed suit. No. Wrong. Ugh, just wake up.

Both companies have "stolen" massive amounts of ideas from each other. It's a pretty give and take relationship they have. Contrast this to, say, Nintendo and Sony which is a very take and take relationship.

 

[zephead]

Let's face it, if Apple never existed, then Microsoft wouldn't either, because then Microsoft wouldn't have anybody to copy from and catch up to.

Oh, and I was watching the Vista video (didn't wanna work in Firefox so I switched over to IE =/ ) and damn it was sloooow. The video kept stopping while it was downloading the rest (which was about every 10 seconds or so) and then about halfway through the video, IE crashed. Was it a coincidence that it happened while watching a video about how good Vista supposedly is? I think not.

 

[Earendil]

Let's face it, if Apple never existed, then Microsoft wouldn't either, because then Microsoft wouldn't have anybody to copy from and catch up to.

*snip*

Actually, that first part is *probably* true, however not for the reasons you stated. Microsoft's first real business was writting applications for Apple's operating system. If it weren't for Apple, Microsoft would not have gotten off the ground by making GUI applications for consumers.

~Earendil

 

[Earendil]

that not the point. Spotlight is a rip off of M$ idea. Basicly Apple got it out first but the idea was clearly in M$ betas of vista and came up with first.

Apple copied things from M$ quite a bit. Another big one that people forget about is Fast user switching. M$ is done with how they want fast user switching to work. It is the first step for them to have multiple user log in at actively using the computer at the same time (one person remotely log in while the other is in using the computer.

But as I said before a vaste majority of the people here are going to be blind to those truths and just say M$ coping apple and see the truth that apple copied the stuff from M$

I won't deny there are fan boys out there that are blind. They give Apple a bad name. However I don't buy your "argument" on WinFS vs spotlight.

AFAIK, Spotlight doesn't come close to doing what WinFS might someday do, and it doesn't do it in the same way. Sure, Spotlight was compared to WinFS when it was announced, but that is just because they were both next-gen search engines. There is a logical progression to something, and this is a great case. I don't think an Apple programmer was sitting in his office watching tech news one day and saw WinFS and said to himself "That's it, let's make our search better!".

Also, there are some things that I find hard to call "stealing ideas". For example, Fast User Switching. I find it hard to believe that Apple never would have thought that having multiple users logged on at the same time was a bad idea. Even I thought about it before I knew windows could do it. That said, Apple still had to develope and implament the idea all on their own, so didn't steal the design specs.

However I'm not arguing that both companies feed of off the others ideas. Just that in most cases I wouldn't call it "stealing ideas".
Besides, I doubt Microsoft will ever be forgiven for stealing Apple's original GUI OS, and making their own OS. That kind of trumphs just about anything Apple could steal from Microsoft

~Earendil

 

[dukebound85]

really?
My brother has a G3 500mhz ibook and it runs as well as a 1,2ghz G4 ibook in every day tasks. Course, lets not talk about the "water effect" in dashboard (which the G4 did not have either) or final cut, which does run.

You're kidding right. I have a 450Mhz iMac and a 1ghz emac and the emac is way faster in everything in comparision. Just the time it takes to open windows or launch applications on the imac is really frustrating

 

[skipsandwichdx]

That "parade of windows" feature looks like a pain in the ass compared to Expose.

 

[chapinmesa]

Saw some stuff like this on Softpedia a while back. There was a quote from Steve-o saying "Microsoft is copying us...very slowly, but they are copying us." I pretty much agree with this, I had a chance to try Vista Beta 2, and noticed a lot of components of it that made me feel like I was using a Mac, expecially the Aero feature "Glass 3D" which has way less funtionality than Expose in my opinion. I'm also wondering if they are holding out on the realease, to see some of the features they can steal from Leopard...seems kinda likely, sad to say.

EDIT: Not to mention, as some have said, the requirements to run Vista. I can run 10.4, which in my opinion is way more demanding, and graphicly appealing than Vista, on a G3 Pismo with no lag or slow downs at all. The beta of Vista I got to run for a few minutes was a 3ghz, 512 ram and I noticed some horrible lag just booting into the OS, not to mention the sluggish feel when opening windows or applications. Yuck... *shudders*

 

[netdog]

I wonder if they will use Aero to animate the blue screen of death.

 

[LxMx]

If they came up with it oh so many years ago, why is it that they STILL cannot implement it?

Because WinFS is something much larger, some people say, that anything else ever undertaken in the filesystem world. Spotlight is a file index. Wow, oh so revolutionary. It works really well no doubt, and I use it now more than I use the Finder. But WinFS is an entire relational meta-data filesystem layer that will allow completely new ways of organizing files.

Look it up, Microsoft has been throwing money at the WinFS concept since before '95. There are some smart people at Microsoft, if they haven't managed to do it yet then I doubt anyone else will in the near future...

Please, nobody likes it when people spread Apple FUD, so let's stop spreading the MS FUD.

 

[Eraserhead]

3ghz, 512 ram and I noticed some horrible lag just booting into the OS, not to mention the sluggish feel when opening windows or applications. Yuck... *shudders*

I think Vista probably really needs 1GB RAM though, like OS X really requires 512MB... It'd have better performance with that.

 

[matticus008]

That "parade of windows" feature looks like a pain in the ass compared to Expose.

Not really. If you've used CoverFlow on a Mac (if you haven't, I highly suggest it), that's similar to how Flip3D works in Vista. You don't get the "all windows at once" field of view, but they can only go so far in ripping off OS X.

My only problem with Flip3D is that it's not any faster than going down to the task bar and clicking on the window you want, given that Vista includes "live previews" on hover. It looks nice, but it contributes absolutely nothing to workflow, because it's been outsmarted by another new feature. Probably just a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing, but still a blunder.

The beta of Vista I got to run for a few minutes was a 3ghz, 512 ram and I noticed some horrible lag just booting into the OS, not to mention the sluggish feel when opening windows or applications. Yuck... *shudders*

Vista isn't finished and hasn't gone through any sort of serious final tuning and optimization. There's still memory leak problems with lots of the apps. It's not fair to compare it on the basis of responsiveness to a finished product, especially since everything is in a primitive state.

 

[steviem]

Lets just face it, everyone copied Xerox....

 

[Earendil]

Lets just face it, everyone copied Xerox....

Apple was basically given that tech, they didn't steal it ;-)