One thing to consider about the new MBPs...

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If anyone remembers, the last 2-3 gen of the Retina MBPs did not have a dGPU in the base model and they started at $2099 for the 15" (as far As I remember).

You had to pay $2499 to get 512GB SSD, dGPU and 16GB RAM.

Now that the base model for the 15" has a dGPU, the price reflects that.

Just something to consider since everything is so negative.
 

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No more lit up apple logo is a no no for me. Don't know why it's a big deal to me.
Obviously it's personal preference, but I think the metallic logo looks quite a bit more modern and is a little bit less obnoxious than the massive glowing one. I can see why some would miss it, I'm personally looking forward to the change though.
 

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Well it's better be an upgrade but for me an upgrade to 2015 model will already be an upgrade from the Air
I highly recommend getting a discounted new 2015 rMBP or a rMBP 2014 if you can find one in stock. I saw the 512GB 16GB RAM version of the 2015 rMBP for around $1800 yesterday.

People were up in arms when the 2012 rMBP came out too. But at least that was a huge update, like a retina display and thinner and a PCIe SSD.
 
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If anyone remembers, the last 2-3 gen of the Retina MBPs did not have a dGPU in the base model and they started at $2099 for the 15" (as far As I remember).

You had to pay $2499 to get 512GB SSD, dGPU and 16GB RAM.

Now that the base model for the 15" has a dGPU, the price reflects that.

Just something to consider since everything is so negative.
Yes, it also has 256GB +240€ upgrade to reach 512GB(atleast in spain), still 16GB DDR3 and the igpu is no longer iris pro, taking in count that 1 and half year has passed since that old rMBP and tech has become cheaper on that time this price is a joke.
 

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I highly recommend getting a discounted new 2015 rMBP or a rMBP 2014 if you can find one in stock. I saw the 512GB 16GB RAM version of the 2015 rMBP for around $1800 yesterday.

People were up in arms when the 2013 rMBP came out too. But at least that was a huge update, like a retina display and thinner and a PCIe SSD.
2012.
 

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Yes, it also has 256GB +240€ upgrade to reach 512GB(atleast in spain), still 16GB DDR3 and the igpu is no longer iris pro, taking in count that 1 and half year has passed since that old rMBP and tech has become cheaper on that time this price is a joke.
Sorry, as usual, the Europeans get shafted with Apple products or most American products.

That is correct. Also that model was super laggy I hated it.
 

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I'll repost my answer to someone else here:

Well, the older models had Iris Pro, so you have to subtract that. Makes it even pricing.

6770HQ $434.00
6700HQ $378.00

So 56$ saving for Apple.

You can get a desktop RX460 for $95, that includes a box, fans, pcb, profit margin for the producer and retailer.

So the chip itself+ram is properly $50.

No price hike needed for that dGPU.
 

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I'll repost my answer to someone else here:

Well, the older models had Iris Pro, so you have to subtract that. Makes it even pricing.

6770HQ $434.00
6700HQ $378.00

So 56$ saving for Apple.

You can get a desktop RX460 for $95, that includes a box, fans, pcb, profit margin for the producer and retailer.

So the chip itself+ram is properly $50.

No price hike needed for that dGPU.
You also forget the RAM is newer. The PCIe SSDs are newer. Display is newer. Touch Bar costs money. T1 chip costs money. New speakers. New USB-C ports. New Trackpad. The GPU is not even out yet.

Most likely, Apple's profit margins are pretty much the same as when they released the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro for the first time.
 

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@SDAVE

I am proud of you! Last night your threads were all negative. The next day has balanced you out! :)
haha, just trying to even out the playing field.

I just honestly don't see the Touch Bar being as big as a Retina display in terms of the "Wow" factor.

Apple's heart is in the right place and they don't see a touchscreen on a laptop as a viable option, which I agree with.

However, let's not let Apple off the hook and vote with our wallets. $2399 for a base model laptop is ABHORRENT, I don't care if the parts are new.

USB-C and a Touch Bar are NOT features that are as big as a Retina display.
 
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Would most people be happy with....better processor, graphics card, multiple port choses and a few $$ less?
 

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Would most people be happy with....better processor, graphics card, multiple port choses and a few $$ less?
They could have put in Kaby Lake (early release from Intel like Jobs was able to do before)....

Also they could have used an nVidia Pascal chipset and NOT completely ignore CUDA because it's superior in every way compared to OpenCL and Metal (it's been in the game for a long time and used everywhere). Apple DOES NOT have the clout to shift the whole computing industry when everything is either CUDA (computing), OpenGL and Vulkan (slowly).

They could have left the SD card in since it didn't take up too much space.

And they could have figured out a way to price it more fairly for the 15" base model.

The Skylake CPU is almost 1 years old.
 
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You also forget the RAM is newer. The PCIe SSDs are newer. Display is newer. Touch Bar costs money. T1 chip costs money. New speakers. New USB-C ports. New Trackpad. The GPU is not even out yet.

Most likely, Apple's profit margins are pretty much the same as when they released the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro for the first time.
Sure they are newer, but they don't increase the price. You think Intel slaps on a $100 each new CPU generation because it is newer?

Core i7-6700K release price $339 august 2015
Core i7-2600K release price $317 october 2011

The only thing adding cost is the bar and **** that thing.
 

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Sure they are newer, but they don't increase the price. You think Intel slaps on a $100 each new CPU generation because it is newer?

Core i7-6700K release price $339 august 2015
Core i7-2600K release price $317 october 2011

The only thing adding cost is the bar and **** that thing.
The PCIe SSD is a 3.1Gbps device, which is barely even out in the main stream and is very expensive.

Also RAM in the new MBP is expensive.

But yes the CPU is one year old, as Kaby Lake isn't out yet (for high end laptops).

But yes $2399 is TOO expensive for a base MBP.
 

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The PCIe SSD is a 3.1Gbps device, which is barely even out in the main stream and is very expensive.

Also RAM in the new MBP is expensive.

But yes the CPU is one year old, as Kaby Lake isn't out yet (for high end laptops).

But yes $2399 is TOO expensive for a base MBP.
The RAM is standard DDR3LP RAM, it costs 20$ more than the old gen.

NAND prices are getting cheaper by the hour. Just because they mounted them on a PCB and plugged them into the PCI-E bus, doesn't make them magically expensive. The Samsung 960 PRO delivers these speeds, it is $330 for 512GB or $630 for 1TB, $1299 for 2TB retail! Apple is charging more than the retail price of the drive ($200 for 256GB upgrade, $600 for 768GB upgrade, $1400 for the last one).
 
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The RAM is standard DDR3LP RAM, it costs 20$ more than the old gen.

NAND prices are getting cheaper by the hour. Just because they mounted them on a PCB and plugged them into the PCI-E bus, doesn't make them magically expensive. The Samsung 960 PRO delivers these speeds, it is $330 for 512GB or $630 for 1TB, $1299 for 2TB retail! Apple is charging more than the retail price of the drive ($200 for 256GB upgrade, $600 for 768GB upgrade, $1400 for the last one).
Someone posted in another thread that the 1TB NVMe drive in the new MBP costs $1,300 on it's own...
 

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No more lit up apple logo is a no no for me. Don't know why it's a big deal to me.
The shiny metal logo will be 100X better than that plastic lit up logo. Don't worry people can still see the logo across the coffee shop :p
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The loss of the magsafe adaptor is my biggest disappointment. I'm not sure why that's bothering me so much, but it's really causing me to rethink my purchase.
Why not just get the Griffin thing?
 

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The shiny metal logo will be 100X better than that plastic lit up logo. Don't worry people can still see the logo across the coffee shop :p
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Why not just get the Griffin thing?

The light was great when using it in the dark. Gives a night light without a nightlight.
 
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