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OnLive Desktop for iPad Now Available on App Store

it works incredibly well on wifi. I'll have to hold off final judgement for when I try it over 3G later.

The video streaming is impressive to say the least.

OnLive delivers again.

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Eric-PTEK said:
How are they doing this in regards to licensing?

If you've never dealt with Microsoft licensing before it is amazingly difficult.

So if this is a Windows 7 desktop then you can do SPLA Licensing which means a Windows 7 SAL, and an Office 2010 SAL, the SAL being the license. However since the device you are accessing is not a PC and not licensed to run Windows then you need a VDA Agreement which is $100 per month.

The SPLA licensing is more than the $9.99 per month and no Microsoft does not give breaks on SPLA, otherwise they risk alienating just about everyone else.

Microsoft does not like VDA which is why they charge the VDA fee.

The 2nd option is they are using Remote Desktop Service which gets rid of the VDI Requirement but still the monthly licensing is more than the $9.99.

I cannot imagine they went this far with the app and never talked to their lawyer but something might be a problem on Microsoft's end.
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Actually if they are using servers with Win Server 2008 there are no additional license charges for each virtual machine running on it. I know this as we used to run a VPS service and used this method at Microsofts recommendation. Licensing costs are pretty reasonable this way.
 
isoMorpheus said:
Who cares? Why not iWork?
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That's like asking a photography professional why they use PS when they could easily use PSE.

iWork is a good set of programs, but for most in the corporate world it (Keynote aside) doesn't hold a candle to Office in terms of under the hood power. This is especially the case when you compare Numbers to Excel.
 
Seriously if MS releases a really good solid version of MS Office on the iPad (with dropbox, email docs within the app, etc sort of functionality) the iPad could replace the home computer for like 90% of consumers out there. All most need a computer for is Web Browsing, Shopping on Amazon, Checking E-Mail, Social Networking, Consuming Media, & MS Office.
 
l3it3r said:
it works incredibly well on wifi. I'll have to hold off final judgement for when I try it over 3G later.

The video streaming is impressive to say the least.

OnLive delivers again.

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I don't have my account yet, but it only lets you use 3G for 10 minutes.
 
OnLive needs to stop being stingy and sell the software they use to make the servers. This kind of thing could take off in the enterprise market if enterprises were allowed to license and build their own (virtual maybe?) desktop streaming servers.

Also, I would like to be able to load an OnLive service on my PC and stream my desktop in real time so I can play PC games on my iPad.

Huge opportunity here, OnLive....
 
yes, yes send all your New buss. ideas to onlive, all your private data :rolleyes:, Good luck, no thanks.
Excellent for basic things, but never for buss.
 
SandynJosh said:
Look... you call an 800 number and give the guy that answers your credit card information for a flight to Florida on one date and a return flight a week later for your family.

The guy has your credit info, the billing address of your home, and knows when you and your family will be far from home. He is also in a federal prison that holds a contract with a national airline to book their reservations. He also has a few old friends that live near your city and are free on parole for violent crimes. You don't give that a thought and go merrily off on your vacation.

I say, stream your data with that same level of concern.
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While I wouldn't encourage anyone to continue being so cavalier--after acknowledging that you're being somewhat tongue-in-cheek--this is an excellent response to the oft-heard sentiment that the Internet can't be trusted.

It's good to exercise reasonable caution, but one has to realize that for security to be breached, human eyeballs have to come in contact with sensitive information. When you phone it in you're only aiding the process. Yet some of those who harp the loudest about interacting directly with databases--no human intervention required--often don't hesitate to tell a perfect stranger, whose real identity they haven't verified, everything that person needs to know to clean house.

You have to know where the real threat is, and it doesn't lie at the corporate conspiracy level. Anyone who is worried about a conspiracy on the part of OnLive, yet who doesn't practice "safe information-giving" at the personal level, is like a person who's out chairing meetings concerning what to do about the Mafia while the teenagers down the street are breaking into his home.

Personally, I avoid giving sensitive information to anyone as far as practicable, and I thank the Internet for heightening my awareness of the situation.
 
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Cheebo said:
Seriously if MS releases a really good solid version of MS Office on the iPad (with dropbox, email docs within the app, etc sort of functionality) the iPad could replace the home computer for like 90% of consumers out there. All most need a computer for is Web Browsing, Shopping on Amazon, Checking E-Mail, Social Networking, Consuming Media, & MS Office.
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I think they will eventually. There is too much of a market for them to avoid it for much longer.
 
I've been using this for months. It's called Splashtop.

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jwm2 said:
Hmm not sure i like the idea of streaming my data back and forth to a 3rd party such as onlive.
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So many people have their own personal server on 24/7. I do and enjoy streaming from it, knowing my information is safe and is not been used for business or sinister purposes. And best of all it's FREE, no limits!! :cool:
 
Eric-PTEK said:
How are they doing this in regards to licensing?

If you've never dealt with Microsoft licensing before it is amazingly difficult.

So if this is a Windows 7 desktop then you can do SPLA Licensing which means a Windows 7 SAL, and an Office 2010 SAL, the SAL being the license. However since the device you are accessing is not a PC and not licensed to run Windows then you need a VDA Agreement which is $100 per month.

The SPLA licensing is more than the $9.99 per month and no Microsoft does not give breaks on SPLA, otherwise they risk alienating just about everyone else.

Microsoft does not like VDA which is why they charge the VDA fee.

The 2nd option is they are using Remote Desktop Service which gets rid of the VDI Requirement but still the monthly licensing is more than the $9.99.

I cannot aimagine they went this far with the app and never talked to their lawyer but something might be a problem on Microsoft's end.
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Are you really suggesting that they dont have the proper licensing and didn't have lawyers involved? Wow. Microsoft has licenses designed for these types of setups. They don't need a license per actual user, rather the max number of concurrent ones. I would suspect the free option maybe be a loss leader to get people to try and then want to pay the monthly fee.
 
Protip: Upload a file, then rename it on the Onlive Desktop, and it won't count toward your 2gb quota anymore (at least as far as the website says). Also they are restricting outbound web access and executables thru Group Policy so you can forget throwing Dropbox or Chrome on there.

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rmwebs said:
Actually if they are using servers with Win Server 2008 there are no additional license charges for each virtual machine running on it. I know this as we used to run a VPS service and used this method at Microsofts recommendation. Licensing costs are pretty reasonable this way.
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That's actually only true if the machine connecting you to it is running an embedded Windows (like Wyse clients). If you are coming from a zero-client (like a Sunray) you fall into a more expensive licensing model. Onlive would seem to fall into that second model.
 
I signed up and am waiting for activation. It doesn't bode well for performance that they are already throttling new account activation.

I'm also bummed that free users will get throttled to benefit paid users. While I completely get it from a business perspective, it sort of forces the question...will they give us a free sample of paid performance in order to help us assess whether or not to sign up for the paid version? If not, how do we know whether it's worth it?

Based on my experience with CloudOn, which is the same type of app and is too leggy to be of practical everyday use, I'm not optimistic about onlive. I hope I'm wrong...
 
anthonymoody said:
I signed up and am waiting for activation. It doesn't bode well for performance that they are already throttling new account activation.

I'm also bummed that free users will get throttled to benefit paid users. While I completely get it from a business perspective, it sort of forces the question...will they give us a free sample of paid performance in order to help us assess whether or not to sign up for the paid version? If not, how do we know whether it's worth it?

Based on my experience with CloudOn, which is the same type of app and is too leggy to be of practical everyday use, I'm not optimistic about onlive. I hope I'm wrong...
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I like my women leggy, not my apps.
 
jwm2 said:
Hmm not sure i like the idea of streaming my data back and forth to a 3rd party such as onlive.
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I agree. And none of my client base that would benefit from having PPT on the iPad for presentations could tolerate the exposure and lack of security.
 
I would like to be able to use Internet Explorer as well. Our bussiness web apps run only on Explorer.

Is great to have access to office documents, if someone creates this service including IE we'll be on it almost immediately.
 
Why not just remote control your own Computer using LogMeIn or similar?
AFAIK, the latest version of LogMeIn supports video streaming and audio. And now they have a free version that would be very useful to try out.
Team that with free Dropbox service and you are set for life.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
Why not just remote control your own Computer using LogMeIn or similar?
AFAIK, the latest version of LogMeIn supports video streaming and audio. And now they have a free version that would be very useful to try out.
Team that with free Dropbox service and you are set for life.
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Looks cool and a great business moneymaker for Onlive. Create some documents and then take a break with some gaming afterwards.

For those that have a home server with a decent internet upload speed, I don't think this is that groundbreaking and you don't have the security and privacy issues to boot.
 
slrandall said:
Yeah, let's be honest - iWork isn't quite at the level of Office yet. PowerPoint and Keynote? Pretty much. Word and Pages? Kinda, but Word still has more formatting options. Excel and Numbers? Not even.
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Exactly. I actually like Keynote better than PowerPoint, but Pages is only okay, and Numbers is an unmitigated disaster next to Excel.

Word and Excel are as ingrained into the business landscape of the world as the iPod is in the media landscape. That won't change anytime soon.
 
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