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This should not be allowed..because this way Apple will tax their consumers even more
the 14 model , no redesign, no new SoC, probably no big camera improvements, but the asking price i bet will be the same as the 13 last year and for the 14 Max will be 100$ more
So, again, you are getting the same phone as last year but also the same starting price...and i would not be surprised if doing so they will increase the price for the Pro line-up because.. the differences in camera, SoC, promotion, pill shape and so on
So why people would buy the 14 instead of the iphone 13 that is cheaper ?!

Because the 13 will be immediately discontinued, mark my words.
 
I wonder if people are mostly not going to care, or will there be a thousand articles about how Apple is slipping because they used last years chips?


Probably both. Most people buying the non-pro models are not going to care, and I expect my timeline to explode on iPhone reveal day from people trying to kick up much fuss over nothing.
 
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This should not be allowed..because this way Apple will tax their consumers even more
the 14 model , no redesign, no new SoC, probably no big camera improvements, but the asking price i bet will be the same as the 13 last year and for the 14 Max will be 100$ more
"allowed"? Are you the phone price police? And you're getting all worked up over assumptions you've made about a rumor.

Here, I'll give you another rumor to get overwrought about: The entire iPhone 14 family will only be available in neon pink, with colorful artwork of My Little Pony on the back. No black/blue/silver/red - all phased out in favor of neon pink. You heard it first here folks!
 
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I’m betting the main way they will differentiate will be to quietly and immediately discontinue the 13 line. Makes the choice easier for you!

I think there's a huge window between $599 and $829, so there's no chance Apple would delete the entire 13 family, especially given the likelihood of recession.
 
Think I might wait one more year then if true. Quite a few camera features seem to be scheduled for '23 also so waiting makes sense.
 
Think I might wait one more year then if true. Quite a few camera features seem to be scheduled for '23 also so waiting makes sense.
Rumors will always pop up for the next 2-3 iPhones, so it'll always make it seem better to wait. I'm sure Apple kind of hates leaks/rumor sites for this reason.
 
I think there's a huge window between $599 and $829, so there's no chance Apple would delete the entire 13 family, especially given the likelihood of recession.

Maybe not. I wouldn’t say no chance, Apple has a history of assassinating inconvenient products. Personally bitten by first retina iPad, and Intel MacBook Air released same year as M1. The moment their replacements came out (approx 8 months in both cases) they were dropped down the memory hole like they never existed.

I can see Apple pitching it as a straight replacement for the 13 since it has the same SoC. I’m also betting that they don’t actually name the SoC or talk about what the iPhone 13 cost.

Maybe I’m going too far but Apple is really good (or tries to be) at simply ignoring the things they want to and sticking to a narrative.
 
If they can get M1 into an iPad, there is nothing preventing them from doing the same for iPhone. In fact they could rebrand an A16 as a M SoC based on factors such as lithography and measurement. If they say used 4 NM, that could warrant calling it an M processor. It’s up to Apple how they want to define these processors and their respective devices.

I just sense the M2 is what’s gonna be used to brand the iPhone Pros and the A16 is actually for the cheaper iPhone 14. It would also be a great kick off for M2 as Apple scales it up to the most powerful form factors.

On top giving them enough time to refresh entire line.
That actually makes sense. A-series in non-Pro, and M-series in Pro. Only catch is, they'd have to pump out a new M-series chip every year, not that that should be a problem really.

It would actually be nice if they pumped out new M-series chips every year, and all the Macs across the board got annual minor upgrades, even if just to swap in the new chip. It wouldn't take much work to incrementally upgrade the Macs annually with minor tweaks here and there. Every few years there could be major upgrades, but annual minor upgrades, just like the iPhones.
 
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That actually makes sense. A-series in non-Pro, and M-series in Pro. Only catch is, they'd have to pump out a new M-series chip every year, not that that should be a problem really.

It would actually be nice if they pumped out new M-series chips every year, and all the Macs across the board got annual minor upgrades, even if just to swap in the new chip. It wouldn't take much work to incrementally upgrade the Macs annually with minor tweaks here and there. Every few years there could be major upgrades, but annual minor upgrades, just like the iPhones.
They call always rename an A series with more Cores and RAM as M series when technically it’s just a suped up A series. The M series is already a suped up A SoC anyway.
 
No, the 13 will be left as introductory phone, just like the 12 is.
At least, the 13 mini.

However, if the iPhone 14 comes with newer, fresher features, like, I don't know, 90Hz refresh rate, or the Always On display (in case it isn't exclusive to 14 Pro), then it would make sense to leave the iPhone 13.

Also, we should keep in mind that the A15 on the iPhone 14 won't be the same as the one on the iPhone 13, but the one on the 13 Pro, which has more RAM and extra GPU cores.

So yeah, it makes sense to leave the iPhone 13 on the lineup, and axe the 11.
 
At least, the 13 mini.

However, if the iPhone 14 comes with newer, fresher features, like, I don't know, 90Hz refresh rate, or the Always On display (in case it isn't exclusive to 14 Pro), then it would make sense to leave the iPhone 13.

Also, we should keep in mind that the A15 on the iPhone 14 won't be the same as the one on the iPhone 13, but the one on the 13 Pro, which has more RAM and extra GPU cores.

So yeah, it makes sense to leave the iPhone 13 on the lineup, and axe the 11.
Mini is dead. Perhaps we might get one more iteration, but I fail to see it around much longer.
 
Mini is dead. Perhaps we might get one more iteration, but I fail to see it around much longer.
No, we won’t see a 14 mini, of course. But we’ll have the 13 mini on the lineup along with the 13 at least one more year, just like we have the 12 mini along with the 12 as entry level iPhone
 
Weird to blame this on ship shortages considering the A16 is said to use N5P just like the A15 and therefore TSMC still need to put out an equal amount of wafers split between A15/16 as they’d have to put out for pure A16.

This only makes sense if the A16 is going to be a bigger chip (less chips/wafer), but there’s been no rumors of that. Maybe they’re planning on integrating the modem this year already thus resulting in a bigger chip? But then the A16 would be to cheaper than A15 + seperate modem so that doesn’t really make sense either.
 
Hopefully, the prices for regular iPhone 14 and 14 Max should drop since it's using last years A15 chip. It would not any make sense if prices remains the same.

iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max version is the one to get this year.
It's been noted by all trusted sources and leakers that the prices are going up for all iPhone's and new hardware. Pro models will get at least a $100 increase, standard iPhone 14 gets $50 more expensive than its 13 counterpart and the 14 Max non-Pro will have at least a $100 premium over the standard 14.

There's no way they will be cheaper than last year.
 
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Weird to blame this on ship shortages considering the A16 is said to use N5P just like the A15 and therefore TSMC still need to put out an equal amount of wafers split between A15/16 as they’d have to put out for pure A16.

This only makes sense if the A16 is going to be a bigger chip (less chips/wafer), but there’s been no rumors of that. Maybe they’re planning on integrating the modem this year already thus resulting in a bigger chip? But then the A16 would be to cheaper than A15 + seperate modem so that doesn’t really make sense either.
There's already a reasonable supply of A15 chips, so it makes sense to divert some of the supply to the iPhone 14. I don't necessarily agree with using last years chips in this years iPhone but it is what it is.

There's obviously going to be trouble keeping up with demand with the new A16's hence the split and decision to use them in the Pro models only.

The Apple designed modem isn't supposed to happen until 2023/24. I'd much rather stick with the proven Qualcomm modems for as long as possible.
 
Does anyone really care? A16 or Axx - it is just a name for a SoC. It is comparable to buying a new car with a new motor that ships with 320hp and throwing away you old car that shipped with 300hp but looks, feels and behave exactly the same like the new one.

Apple gets something really wrong here. Improving the CPU/GPU speed doesn't matter that much. But if the A16 is exactly as fast compared to a A15 but uses only half the power, that would be great. I was able to use my iPhone4 for about 2-3 days with a single charge.
Battery life is important. Making a fast processor even faster is just boring. Longer battery life results in reduced amount of charging cycles and enables you to travel without a charger in you pocket. Same is true for the Watch.

Even USB-C would be a reason to get a new phone, A new version of the SoC is not.
 
No, the 13 will be left as introductory phone, just like the 12 is.
We shall see. Things could be different this year. You’re probably right but I just have a feeling there are some abrupt discontinuations coming, and some pricing chicanery.
 
One vote here for the "don't care," option. I try to make phones last at least 3 years out of a likely misplaced sense of responsibility for the ecosystem that convinces me that buying fewer disposable electronic devices all the time is better for the planet. So, I pick the "pro" model, whatever that looks like, when I do buy a new phone and move forward until I don't. My iPhone Xs and the accompanying Apple Battery Pack are finally showing their age, so I'll get a 14 Pro this September and move on. I'll check back on all the new stuff when we're approaching the iPhone 17 thereafter <shrug>.
 
I think there's a huge window between $599 and $829, so there's no chance Apple would delete the entire 13 family, especially given the likelihood of recession.
iPhone SE: $429
iPhone 12: $599
iPhone 13 Mini: $729
iPhone 14: $829
iPhone 14 Max: $929
Not that big of a window, and certainly less complicated than last year‘s lineup which has overlapping models at the same price.
 
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We shall see. Things could be different this year. You’re probably right but I just have a feeling there are some abrupt discontinuations coming, and some pricing chicanery.
I very much agree.
If the iPhone 14 is truly just a 13 with a slightly better front camera, more RAM but The exact same design and CPU generation, I have a feeling we’ll see exactly what you’ve described here, the 13 completely disappear and be replaced.
 
Ehh.....don't feel too bad then about not waiting for the supposed 14 Max and just going for the 13 Pro Max.
 
We shall see. Things could be different this year. You’re probably right but I just have a feeling there are some abrupt discontinuations coming, and some pricing chicanery.
Knowing Apple, they'll stick to current pricing for at least two more years and eat the costs. Right now they have momentum going on their phones, I don't expect they'd like to loose that over a few $.
 
I very much agree.
If the iPhone 14 is truly just a 13 with a slightly better front camera, more RAM but The exact same design and CPU generation, I have a feeling we’ll see exactly what you’ve described here, the 13 completely disappear and be replaced.

And possibly a faster version of the A15 SoC used on the iPhone 13 Pro.
 
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