OpenAI Considering Legal Action Against Apple Over 'Strained' Siri Partnership

[ProbablyDylan]

I wonder what promises Tim made.

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

People hate AI and thats why they don’t sign to ChatGPT. I turned that bs off and probably most did too. You can’t expect to ship a bad product, pre installed on a phone and gain subscribers.

People love AI, they hate Apple Intelligence though.

 

[lotones]

"OpenAI initially believed the deal could generate billions of dollars per year in subscription revenue, but that "hasn't come close to happening.""

aw... sad for you. That's because Apple gave its customers a choice, and we took it. Thank you Apple for offering it, but not shoving it down our throats like Windows 11 and Copilot.

 

[Agent007]

Did Apple sign a contract with OpenAI?

A partnership means nothing!

tell that to tech stocks

 

[Rogifan]

This has Eddy Cue written all over it. Apple doesn’t give a crap about Open AI. Of course Open AI should have known that.

 

[Rogifan]

Not Apples fault. I turned everything AI or Open AI related off on my iPhone.

Sounds like what you did is not what Apple told Open AI would happen. Of course we don’t know what exactly was promised or put into writing that Open AI could pursue leagally.

 

[wrxrox]

OpenAI is sad because users have a choice and they are not choosing them or stuck with them in their quest to take over the world. Boo hoo

 

[ThisIsMike]

LOLOLOL they will never, and I mean NEVER win this lawsuit if they take it to court. Maybe this idea came to them through CHATGPT. Go for it Altman, you eff.

 

[ahoyo1]

 

[gummybear2026]

tell that to tech stocks

Tech stocks want nothing to do with OpenAI.

 

[SpotOnT]

🤣🤣🤣

“Will you provide me with goods and services? I can pay in exposure.”

I mean if you are dumb enough to take that deal….I kind of don’t have much sympathy for you….

Seriously though, I disabled Apple Intelligence after getting those goofy text and news notification summaries. Maybe AI will be more useful in the future, but right now it is just a huge clutter, time suck and resource suck for most people (before you leap in to defend AI, please notice the word “most” and seriously think about if your use case is how “most” humans on the planet are using AI).

 

[Moukee]

I refuse to believe for a second that Apple wasn't also in talks with OpenAI for whatever version of Siri they are planning for iOS 27.

Maybe Apple simply got a better deal with Google? Does OpenAI even have a model tailored towards running on-device? Integrations with multiple cloud AI models aside, they probably need some state of the art local models as well and Google can offer that.

 

[Shwazam]

It was definitely a sub-optimal implementation. Siri’s translation to GPT is a major stumbling block.

I know a few friends and family whose only experience with AI is thru this Siri bridge. It puts both Siri and GPT in poor light.

 

[RedWeasel]

The article doesn't actually say that. But what does an Apple fan care about facts anyway…

I'll help you out.
Based on the statements in the article, the deal was as follows: OpenAI provided a free interface, and Apple promised that users would sign up for a ChatGPT subscription as a result.

OpenAI is now accusing Apple of not promoting this integration well enough and of downplaying Siri’s shortcomings.

And that's pretty much my point. If the product was any good, why would Apple not promote it enough?
Why would it need much promotion anyway?

The facts are, OpenAI is in deep ****. They burn cash in unprecedented amounts and don't have the paying subscribers that would justify the cash burn. And they are starting to panic, especially since they would like to go public soon but have not met many of their previous financial goals.

 

[frenchcamp49er]

This has openAI is short of cash written all over it.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Speaks for your product when you need to litigate partners into using it.

Yes, ask SCO and Darl McBride how well that went.

 

[Brother Cavil]

Lying Altman and Open AI are in financial trouble. I don’t think they have a case here.

Based on what? Your insights into the deal? Your reading of whatever written agreements exist between the two companies? Or is it just vibes?

None of us has a clue as to whether or not OpenAI has a case. But I totally agree with you that they are in financial trouble and litigation would suggest they're desperate. The reality is, Google wins when it comes to AI. They have the most data. They took their eye off the ball for a few years and that allowed OpenAI to take off, but it's very obvious that Google is more than committed to AI now and has outpaced OpenAI.

 

[k1121j]

Did Apple sign a contract with OpenAI?

A partnership means nothing!

Agreed. Partners are for dancing not for business.

 

[Contact_Feanor]

The article doesn't actually say that. But what does an Apple fan care about facts anyway…

I'll help you out.
Based on the statements in the article, the deal was as follows: OpenAI provided a free interface, and Apple promised that users would sign up for a ChatGPT subscription as a result.

OpenAI is now accusing Apple of not promoting this integration well enough and of downplaying Siri’s shortcomings.

Of course, we don’t know what’s in the contract.
But we do know that Apple can’t lie and exaggerate in a contract or in court the way it does every year at its own press conference (WWDC)

I don’t presume to judge how true OpenAI’s statements are. But I’m also not so biased as to see OpenAI’s problems as a reason to deny its position any credibility.

"Apple promised that users would sign up". I doubt any contract would state it like that.

 

[EU-Regulations]

its a nightmare that wont end soon. Thanks Timmy.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

At some point in the past, it appears an international law must have been put in place indicating that everyone is entitled to Apple products and everyone is entitled to do business with Apple even if
a. Apple doesn’t make a product that fits their requirements, or
b. Apple doesn’t provide a business engagement model that an individual likes

 

[Contact_Feanor]

Not the best look for Apple, but I’m a loooooong way from feeling sorry for OpenAI over anything.

How is this a bad look for Apple? A very optional and not-in-your-face integration of AI is what more people prefer than what Windows and Google seem to be doing (going from the cratering user experience scores of windows and android since they started to stuff every nook and cranny with AI "features"). Or you mean the optics? They get sued every day, getting sued by someone barely anyone trusts also doesn't seem like a bad look...

 

[Contact_Feanor]

Sounds like what you did is not what Apple told Open AI would happen. Of course we don’t know what exactly was promised or put into writing that Open AI could pursue leagally.

Nowhere is it said that apple "told" that, only that OpenAI "believed" that. There's a huge chasm there...

 

[CarAnalogy]

Clearly going against the grain here but...aren't they kind of right? The ChatGPT integration is nearly useless and nothing has changed in two years. Regardless of the source, if I was them I'd be upset too.

 

[jimbobb24]

Not sure who is in the right but dang OpenAI has the best models right now. Sora 2 was incredible, their imaging blows everyone out of the water, and they LLM is even top tier right now. They are doing a good job. But the integration wasn't amazing and not sure why they thought people would subscribe....apple sold them nonsense if that was the case. Google makes money on search. ChatGPT loses money on queries. That is the real trouble. Advertising might help.