When you have a number of PC tech youtubers showing their viewers that a hackintosh computer can be built that will either equal or outperform a real apple mac and do so at 30-40% of the cost of the mac, many people are going to take notice and do so seriously.
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I think we're talking about premium consumer-grade by Apple standards here - not some Kwick-E-Mart $300 special where even Kwick-E-Mart only make a profit if they con the customer into buying an extended warranty and a $50 HDMI cable.
Even something in the previous ~$3000 Mac Pro price bracket would be better than the new Mac Pro (which starts at twice that but doesn't make sense spec-wise without several k$ worth of Apple or third-party expansion).
The current iMac is actually decent value for money (provided you upgrade the RAM yourself) if you factor in the likely cost of a comparable display - it's just that not everybody wants their computer and display wedded until death do them part and/or could do with a couple of PCIe slots and some internal storage expansion... In the PC market, iMac prices will get you a high-quality tower PC in a nice case.
Yet, somehow, companies a fraction of the size of Apple manage to manufacture and distribute basic tower PCs... because for that type of computer the "design challenge" is simply to plug together standard components.
With the new Mac Pro, Apple chose to re-invent a lot of wheels (including the $700 Wheels), build a bespoke motherboard and engineer everything to "luxury car" standards (at least superficially). I have no idea whether Apple's R&D and manufacturing costs justify the price - but if they do it it is because Apple deliberately set out to make an expensive computer. All they had to do was call Foxconn and ask them to turn out a bog standard Xeon W or AMD motherboard with an Apple logo on it, then put it in a nicer-than-average ATX case with large fans and big heatsinks so it was fairly quiet.
Apple didn't invent the new Xeon-W (which is where the extra RAM and PCIe capacity comes from) nor did they invent the AMD GPU chipsets they are using. The main "innovation" is the "MPX" slots which - while it is quite neat c.f. using flying leads to feed power and Thunderbolt to cards, loses its value as soon as you start plugging in generic PCIe cards - which now need custom power cables...
Hmmm... High prices, 30% pre-pay, BitCoin-only payment. What could go wrong?
If you choose to fall for this, don't be surprised when that 30% (or 100% if they manage to string you along that long) disappears into the ether.
If you choose to fall for this, don't be surprised when that 30% (or 100% if they manage to string you along that long) disappears into the ether.
Apple is in a much better position to know how big the chunks are than you or me, and we all agree their goal is to maximize profits.
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anyone with middlin’ reading comprehension knows that was never a call to commit copyright infringement. Go look up “idea” in a dictionary.
Everything else in this thread aside this is a pretty silly argument when it comes to a tower, even a lot of the people buying the *current* mac pro are unlikely to be buying the monitor, and Apple sold a Mac Pro without selling a first party monitor for a while. For that matter they already sell a standalone, non-AIO, machine without making a cheaper display - did you forget about the Mini?
There are, I'm sure, plenty of internal reasons why Apple has decided not to make a cheaper Mac Pro, but I guarantee "oh no, we'll also have to make a cheaper display to go with it" isn't one of them
From all their promises the only thing they changed is the bitcoin payment.
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Not even that, my mistake.
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You can run MacOS in a virtualized mode for that stuff with Parallels. You can disable the networking so your VM is safe from hackers and use your host OS for your primary work and get some of the benefits that you missed out with upgrading.
This makes me laugh you must not use apps. Tons of apps don't know how to handle the notch and cut off information. Now tell me how I should harass developers with all my free time to update their apps.
Heh, heh, heh... They'd have been better selling compatible configs. (Like Apple does...) And then it's just a matter for the user to get an OS to install on that. I think Snazzy Labs had a Cosair tower that they bought and it 'worked' as was. Just had to do the AMD 'Open' install process. Which, though fussy...is more stable longer term?
They can't sell the towers with Apple's OS installed. They'll draw heat for that.
You live by the sword...you die by the sword. True.
But Apple's sword is very big and comes with lawyers and death by a thousand cuts.
I have sympathy with those wanting a Mac Tower at a rational price, though.
Some of those Hack' tosh set ups have done a sound job. The job, in my view, Apple should have been doing...and at 1/4 or a 1/3rd of the price.
Azrael.
Apple only listens to our cries when they actually are being forced. It took them FOUR years, several class-action lawsuits, many bad mainstream reviews, and hundred-thousands users' complaints and bad reviews in order for them to actually acknowledge and change the bad keyboard design.
Same thing happened when they updated the Mac Pro, from the cheesegrater to the Ashtray 6 years ago.
And now although after many complains, Apple created a new Mac Pro with all the features we were requesting, it is done at a price point that is un-affordable, leaving all the middle users without an option. I guess Apple wants the middle users to use the iMacs...
Is Apple really listening?
What apps? i have over a hundred and have never noticed any problems. As a developer, it's not hard to handle the notch as long as your code is using constraints (which have been available for a very long time in the sdks).
Better off building our own Hack' or just buy the new iMac which should be a decent machine.
Or a Mini and eGPU.
Be great if Apple could run us a Mac Pro tower at £2500. And that aint cheap.
Azrael.
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Good post.
Good question.
There has to be alot of sympathy with that. Paying £3.5k extra to get a mac tower after the last flawed model was despatched at £2.5k is outrageous. It's just flipping the finger.
Azrael.
And what's more frustrating to me is a lot of the recent problems are glitches in features that previously worked fairly well.
Let's have a real talk for a moment Apple fans sometimes are completely delusional beyond belief. They will justify anything and go on and on about premium price for a premium experience. They will justify Apple not caring about technical people who want an upgradable system and they will justify it's so they make profit. They are the richest company around. They make hand over fist. Keep saying they don't have to cater to us. You will be joining us in a few years I guarantee it. The fans are gas-lighting the hell out of Apple to keep jacking up the prices. They will let their kids starve before not getting another device with hardware that has a 10-20x markup but its for the "ecosystem" not the parts. They will continue to defend poorer quality updates and buggy releases. Apple will in kind continue to cut corners.
There is no reason for Apple not to make this a reality you have shown them they can do no wrong. Most of you won't have the money to keep up in a few years but the rich will make up for your poverty in Apple's eyes. Then we can all be in it together and go why Apple? Oh yeah rememeber those posts from 2020? They don't have to cater to you!
There is no reason for Apple not to make this a reality you have shown them they can do no wrong. Most of you won't have the money to keep up in a few years but the rich will make up for your poverty in Apple's eyes. Then we can all be in it together and go why Apple? Oh yeah rememeber those posts from 2020? They don't have to cater to you!
Great for you that you use apps created post notch world. For the thousands of apps prior with no hope of update its not so great.
I will side with you on this, and I'm confident enough saying 99.9% or more of Mac purchasers feel Apple's RAM upgrade charges are insane. However, it's simply one of the many points a consumer needs to consider and very possibly begrudgingly accept -- that is unless someone has a feasible solution beyond choosing one of the few Macs containing RAM modules.
You think Apple's RAM upgrade charges are insane, check out Microsoft. (I do agree that Apple charges exorbitant amounts for RAM upgrades.). To upgrade a Surface Laptop 3 from 8GB to 16GB costs $400.
A lot of them ain't that cheap
True. But some of them are. You can get an HP-branded Chromebook with a 15" display for $200.
Considering what was going on with Psystar (address irregularities, lost of the their processing company, and financial information record keeping irregularities) that is par for the course with commercial hackintoshes. The precedent is set that this is illegal under DMCA as that is how the courts ruled and as a documentary on Prohibition stated 'contempt for one law breads contempt for other laws'.
Quite frankly I don't understand the appeal as there is no way to know how good the quality of these PCs are and as a general rule of thumb goes 'Cheap is prone to fail faster'. So if something goes wrong you are SOL never mind Apple has more of hardware enforcement (the T2 Security Chip) now then they did back in the Psystar days and so can more easily shut this nonsense down.