The difference is that the Wii is the cheapest mainstream console on the market... and let's not forget to mention that Nintendo revolutionized gaming with the Wii interface.
-Clive
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The difference is that the Wii is the cheapest mainstream console on the market... and let's not forget to mention that Nintendo revolutionized gaming with the Wii interface.
-Clive
technically, i don't think it's illegal, but you would be break a contractual agreement, which if taken to court, the court can force completion of the agreement (no longer violating it), award damages to the other party (apple), void the contract (if the contract is found to be "unfit" or contains illegalities), and there's more. I just don't remember all the aspects.
The EULA is not a law. It's a contract. You accept the terms of the contract, even if you don't read it or sign it, by purchasing the product. And if you violate the contract, you are subject to the penalties a court finds appropriate.
yea but there is nobody forcing you to get an ACD. If you think Dell makes a better and cheaper display, get one
As far as comparing the price of a Dell to an Apple its still different than what you can buy from newegg and build yourself. Also it allows you to get the exact machine you want. How much is that worth?
Its a very viable option for a select few of us. Not for everyone, great for some.
Its a very viable option for a select few of us. Not for everyone, great for some.
Then I stand corrected. You read the parts you value as most important to you and ignore the rest. Leopard's EULA does state what hardware configs it can be installed on.
Because they choose to. Do you really think you know Apple's business better than they? I allow you that they make mistakes, but come on. Without analysis of the facts, these opinions are simply a form of naive realism -- because one thinks it, one thinks it must be true.
Steve Jobs recently gave an interview (link?) in which he discussed Apple's product philosophy: less, not more. There are plenty of companies that will give you every choice under the moon. They attract certain customers, and not others. I'm sure that the more popular of these companies have protagonists which argue that their products should be more focused, like Apple's. I can guarantee you that many of these companies would very much like to be in Apple's shoes right now.
Well the Macs aren't really over priced. Apple doesn't make as much as you might think. Yes, they make more than probably any other computer company, but no matter how they try, they still can't make a $399 Mac and make a profit off it.
What makes Macs more expensive is the fact that they use quality parts. They don't use the .10 cent sound chip, they use the .50 or .80 cent chip. That goes for nearly everything, hard drives, video cards, etc. This is why they're failure rates are much lower than their competitors.
Dell, Hp, etc is just out to make a cheap box to throw into people's hands. They don't necessarily care about the quality of parts for the most part.
Apple isn't exactly swimming in money either. Yes, they have a large cash reserve, but not as much as other tech companies. They're just getting the spotlight when everyone else isn't. Nobody is making a big deal of Microsoft making $3 or 4 Billion last quarter. But if Apple makes that much, its plastered all over the news. Why, I don't know....
You can't really compare a bunch of component costs to the price of a complete machine.
Go to Dell and configure a similar spec machine to the Mac Pro and you'll see just how competitive the Macs are
So now the argument has changed to only include pre-built machines?
I'll agree with you one thing: Pre-built machines are very expensive. For Mac Pro's basic setup, Dell's similar speced setup is more expensive. However, if you upgrade Mac to 3.2Ghz DP Xeons, along with more RAMs and video cards, Dell's solution is cheaper by over 1000USD.
Apple's is colour certified though. Of course you can use a different display if you want.
Right. Sure...
Wow. Ya know, you should, like, build these units and SELL THEM! Dude! You could make a fortune! How come no one else is as smart as you? Oh, wait a minute, you would probably have to pre-purchase large quantities of components, hire lots of workers--who would probably have the balls to want to be like actually PAID to assemble these gems, and then pay the payroll taxes on top of that--ship them out all over the world, pay lots of taxes to your local, state and federal governments, build or pay rent for a manufacturing facility, pay for a health plan and retirement accounts, advertising, etc. etc. Now how much will that unit cost?
Wow. Ya know, you should, like, build these units and SELL THEM! Dude! You could make a fortune! How come no one else is as smart as you? Oh, wait a minute, you would probably have to pre-purchase large quantities of components, hire lots of workers--who would probably have the balls to want to be like actually PAID to assemble these gems, and then pay the payroll taxes on top of that--ship them out all over the world, pay lots of taxes to your local, state and federal governments, build or pay rent for a manufacturing facility, pay for a health plan and retirement accounts, advertising, etc. etc. Now how much will that unit cost?
Apple's newly acquired corporate lawyer is on the job. LOL
Then maybe you haven't opened up the inside of a Mac Pro. Its by far the easiest tower to upgrade.
To all you people that think Apple is overpriced or just a fancy box with cheap parts, you are absolutely wrong!
Tell me if this is what you call cheap:
-nVidia 8600 video (many use much cheaper/inferior video)
-Wireless N (many still have G around)
-LED screens on laptops (again only a few have this)
-WIFI and Blue tooth standard on every machine including desktops
-Camera/mic standard on every machine
-Firewire and USB on every machine, some macs have Firewire 800
-1GB/2GB RAM standard
-Infared remote, front row standard on all macs
-Features no one has like Multitouch
-All macs of course come with Leopard OS and iLife installed.
I don't think this is what you would call cheap parts!
Ok now put together a machine JUST like the above and see if you can BLOW away the price of a mini...I dont think so. Apple is not overpriced. It's not a frikin $500 Dell that just happens to sell for $1000 by Apple. Wake up and realize you get what you pay for.
One last thing I would like to mention:
-UNBEATABLE FORM FACTOR ON ALL MACS
Yes making an incredible form factor like the mini and iMac costs more than some ugly old big box that resembles a small refrigerator and sounds like a hair dryer.
Why do you think laptops cost more than desktops in general. It's the form factor....the size, weight, and design integration/styling.
Let's face it, when you buy an Apple, you're buying a Porsche or Mercedes, or BMW. If you don't like that, go somewhere else. Go to Dell.
This openmac is like buying a BMW engine and throwing it into some kit car and then calling all BMWs and Mercedes way overpriced! Seriously people, how can you be so stupid.
Kan-O-Z
Tell me if this is what you call cheap:
-nVidia 8600 video (many use much cheaper/inferior video)
-Wireless N (many still have G around)
-LED screens on laptops (again only a few have this)
-WIFI and Blue tooth standard on every machine including desktops
-Camera/mic standard on every machine
-Firewire and USB on every machine, some macs have Firewire 800
-1GB/2GB RAM standard
-Infared remote, front row standard on all macs
-Features no one has like Multitouch
-All macs of course come with Leopard OS and iLife installed.
I don't think this is what you would call cheap parts!
Ok now put together a machine JUST like the above and see if you can BLOW away the price of a mini...I dont think so. Apple is not overpriced. It's not a frikin $500 Dell that just happens to sell for $1000 by Apple. Wake up and realize you get what you pay for.
One last thing I would like to mention:
-UNBEATABLE FORM FACTOR ON ALL MACS
Yes making an incredible form factor like the mini and iMac costs more than some ugly old big box that resembles a small refrigerator and sounds like a hair dryer.
Why do you think laptops cost more than desktops in general. It's the form factor....the size, weight, and design integration/styling.
Let's face it, when you buy an Apple, you're buying a Porsche or Mercedes, or BMW. If you don't like that, go somewhere else. Go to Dell.
This openmac is like buying a BMW engine and throwing it into some kit car and then calling all BMWs and Mercedes way overpriced! Seriously people, how can you be so stupid.
Kan-O-Z
.... maybe apple should make their boxes transparent so ppl can look at beauty all the time...
That is a very easy question to answer. In my country, Norway, the cheapest Mac Mini costs $969. Yeah, imagine that. Needless to say, compared to Windows compatible hardware the price is outrageous!
The principles of capitalism dictate that someone come forward with a similar product with a somewhat more realistic pricing policy, because there is a market for that. There are many potential buyers here that would like to run Mac OS X, but don't like to be ripped off on price. So, you ask WHY would you buy a fake Mac, and my answer is simply: because the real Mac is too expensive.
I don't understand why you hope Apple will tear them apart. That is a very undemocratic thing to do. People want Macs, but Apple makes it too expensive for them. At least this fake Mac will make it possible for people to afford to run Mac OS. That's democratic. This is especially true in Europe, where Apple has gone totally crazy with their prices.
I honestly think my argument carries a fair amount of wisdom
You can't. Desktop version of C2Q do not support DP (dual processor) mode. That is only for Xeons.
It's the same stuff, same CPU, same HDD, same video card, etc.
They just charge more for it, that doesn't make it better.
Yes, their business model is to make lots of money on the hardware
Yes the famous 1xyear Apple updates (slight exaggeration but the last mini was a 1yr update!!).
What Motherboard did you use to make it?
Here here!
Well, some of us don't consider a computer to be a piece of art to display on the coffee table. Lots of people just put it in the corner out of the way and don't need or care about how pretty we can make the computer.
I don't care how it looks, I rather pay far less. You rather pay for form, I rather pay for function.
building a hack
ok for those asking about my system in pm's
i got everything at newegg.
i got my info at insanelymac dot com
mobo = gigabyte p35 D3SL =$80
processor = core 2 quad 2.4GHz (oc'ed at 3.6GHz) = $279
ram = 4-4-4-12 ddr800 (runs fine at 1000MHz) = $142
hd = WD Raptor 10000 rpm system drive = $89
processor fan = freezerpro7 = $11
firewire card = $14
os10.5 = $129
satisfaction = priceless
i enjoy this computer more than any of the numerous real macs i have owned.
one of the most reliable macs i have owned, it just works and its stinking fast. infact its faster than apples quads.
ok for those asking about my system in pm's
i got everything at newegg.
i got my info at insanelymac dot com
mobo = gigabyte p35 D3SL =$80
processor = core 2 quad 2.4GHz (oc'ed at 3.6GHz) = $279
ram = 4-4-4-12 ddr800 (runs fine at 1000MHz) = $142
hd = WD Raptor 10000 rpm system drive = $89
processor fan = freezerpro7 = $11
firewire card = $14
os10.5 = $129
satisfaction = priceless
i enjoy this computer more than any of the numerous real macs i have owned.
one of the most reliable macs i have owned, it just works and its stinking fast. infact its faster than apples quads.
I think he is mentioning that Apple should make a Mac Pro model with a SINGLE C2Q.
If he answered how he really felt, his answer would be YES.
Its pathetic, isn't?
So you're spending extra on a system with laptop components for use as a desktop.
...Why not just buy a laptop then?
Hehe I never suggested otherwise, I merely pointed out that the chipset being used in this system is already woefully sub par, as is lamented in many a thread here on MR, and they would have done better to go with the *slightly* better x3100 if they were planning on comparing it to a Mini.
First of all, I was the one who said that, I don't know why you replaced my name with someone else's name...?
Second, I wasn't implying that Apple was designing their own CPUs, GPUs, hard drives, etc. Don't put words in my mouth.
When I say "Apple designs their own hardware" (and Nintendo), I mean they decide what specs they want than have it manufactured by another company.
edit: wow the quoted name changed again... are the MacRumors forums in a meltdown or something?!
unix based systems are very stable and still support lots of hardware....much more than Mac Leopard (unix).
Apple doesn't make Quad's anymore, and I doubt its faster than an 8 core Mac Pro as that uses Xeons.
Though I'm sure its no slouch.