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'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple
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Its not, its someone stating the truth. We pay more money(up front), to be able to have the seemlessness of Apple hardware with Mac OS XX
So what are you doing on an Apple rumor site
Apple makes great products, but they are exercising their powers WAY to much.
First, yes, that's how Steve sees it.
Second, no, that's no more than an insult.
Third, Apple obviously doesn't, since they seem to be doing well enough to not expand their market or care.
Finally, yes, Apple does not have a stupidly wide range of products like you see in some companies because they aren't catering to these markets since Steve doesn't see them as viable.
Steve looks to the future and designs products for his future, and he doesn't see gaming as becoming any more than the niche it is today. I know that you're not talking about gaming exclusively, but no one has been able to change Steve's mind for him in a long time.
None of this is meant to be an attack, but the Apple kowtowing part... Since when has Microsoft ever shown that they are willing to be open to hardware/software standards that people wanted when they didn't like? FireWire, for one. USB, when it first came out.
Yes, Apple does not provide a lot of choices, but they have a plan and they been very successful at it.
Smart consumers vote with their wallets.
Smart consumers that want a Mac, buy a Mac. Apple knows that and they like a nice return on their investment just like any other corporation.
But yes, nobody can argue that Apple does not provide many Mac configurations, that is a fact.
But also it is part of their plan. For some users that is bad, but for the primary target audience that Apple wants it is a benny since they are not confused with 123 different choices.
Different strokes for different folks.
Apple isn't a monopoly ...
Though it is interesting to see how Apple can enter old mature markets and be slapped with being a monopoly.
You're kidding about the seemless hardware, aren't you ?
Wait that lopsided .5 mm gap on the right and 3 mm gap on the left isn't supposed to be there.
My beloved does it all the time using Windows Movie Maker and that does ship come with the operating system itself. You're going to need to tag on iLife to do that on OS X. Keep in mind we're looking at the operating system disc alone and not bundled software.
Is that supposed to be some sort of self-justifying truth?
Acknowledged and retracted.Tallest Skil said:
I've never understood this reasoning. If growth and profitability meant you could freeze your product line, companies would never start designing anything new until sales started dropping.Tallest Skil said:
One more product - an xMac - wouldn't constitute a "stupidly wide range." And as for the Steve bit: totally circular reasoning. "They don't do it because Steve doesn't want to!" "Why?" "Because he doesn't want to!" WTF? Why does the story end there? When did it become wrong for us to question, second-guess, yell, stomp our feet, as consumers are supposed to do, empowered to do?Tallest Skil said:
It's a good thing he's not running Nintendo then, otherwise they'd never have scored the success they did with the Wii. Never underestimate the diversity and potential of consumer taste.Tallest Skil said:
What does Microsoft have to do with this?Tallest Skil said:
One more Mac isn't going to bewilder anyone. Apple's modus operandi is simplification, easy digestion, and to think that they can't keep that going with an xMac really underestimates their ability.EagerDragon said:
Wait that lopsided .5 mm gap on the right and 3 mm gap on the left isn't supposed to be there.
I'm as fond of a clever argumentum ad absurdam as the next chap. So let us know when you come up with a good one.
In the meantime I'd suggest you do a forum search on "macbook dropped connection", "iMac yellow display", "Mac Pro 8800 upgrade", etc., etc. It is. It's a much-needed kick in the pants. Psystar will crumble eventually, of course, but every day that they're still around sends a clear message to Apple.Aside from all the legalities, what's the problem? Isn't this awesome?
The perfect Apple?
While these problems are real problems - they don't affect 90% of the Mac user base. They probably don't even amount to 5% of the Mac user-base.
BUT - they are real problems and are obviously immensely frustrating if you can't get what you want from Apple.
At one level I am disappointed that Apple hasn't tested some products thoroughly enough - and I am also aware that Apple do not sit still and are actively working on these problems.
Personally - I haven't had a problem with any of my Macs. Ever.
I have had driver problems with my PC at times. Especially when I went to the 64bit XP. (I still have and use both PCs and Macs.)
If Apple release a mac mini in the next few weeks with X3100 graphics (at the same price and with faster processors) - then this "OpenMac" is gonna suck.
I'm as fond of a clever argumentum ad absurdam as the next chap. So let us know when you come up with a good one.
While these problems are real problems - they don't affect 90% of the Mac user base. They probably don't even amount to 5% of the Mac user-base.
BUT - they are real problems and are obviously immensely frustrating if you can't get what you want from Apple.
At one level I am disappointed that Apple hasn't tested some products thoroughly enough - and I am also aware that Apple do not sit still and are actively working on these problems.
Personally - I haven't had a problem with any of my Macs. Ever.
I have had driver problems with my PC at times. Especially when I went to the 64bit XP. (I still have and use both PCs and Macs.)
If Apple release a mac mini in the next few weeks with X3100 graphics (at the same price and with faster processors) - then this "OpenMac" is gonna suck.
http://gizmodo.com/379717/mac-clone...-monopoly-laws-wants-to-challenge-it-in-court
Oh Snap, here it comes! But honestly, I think Apple should win. Its there OS, and since they are clearly not a monopoly, its not harmful. Its would be like sueing Nintendo because they won't let Sony use the Wii's OS.
Plus, it puts Apple in a hardplace, since it forces them to be a software company, who happens to make hardware to support it. Or risk having the name of crappy hardware for its OS
Oh Snap, here it comes! But honestly, I think Apple should win. Its there OS, and since they are clearly not a monopoly, its not harmful. Its would be like sueing Nintendo because they won't let Sony use the Wii's OS.
Plus, it puts Apple in a hardplace, since it forces them to be a software company, who happens to make hardware to support it. Or risk having the name of crappy hardware for its OS
Well it is Apple choice to sell such a system or not. So far they have chosen not to. Maybe they will wake up and create such a system one day, but I would not hold my breath.
It is their company and their product line, they get to make the decisions. For the most part, they also sell what they like and not necessarily what customers ask for.
People who do not like what Apple is doing should either Buy stock and vote their shares, or buy a non-Apple computer.
like I said before...
which, I think, got totally buried in the pile of "the server's not responding" and "Dude, macs are like bugattis" posts, I think this is what Apple WANTS. They don't want to sell machines like this, which is why they don't, but they do want as many users of the OS as possible, which is why they haven't given a cease and desist to OSx86, and why they won't to psystar. The people who will buy this computer in all likelyhood would not buy a Mac from Apple, because they simply don't offer a computer that fits their needs: a headless upgradeable mid-low end tower.
which, I think, got totally buried in the pile of "the server's not responding" and "Dude, macs are like bugattis" posts, I think this is what Apple WANTS. They don't want to sell machines like this, which is why they don't, but they do want as many users of the OS as possible, which is why they haven't given a cease and desist to OSx86, and why they won't to psystar. The people who will buy this computer in all likelyhood would not buy a Mac from Apple, because they simply don't offer a computer that fits their needs: a headless upgradeable mid-low end tower.
Too Perfect
This really gets to the heart of the matter, doesn't it? Apple is the RIAA of computers. You can buy their OS for $129 but you are only "allowed" to use it as THEY SEE FIT.
F**k Apple. I bought it, I'll do what I like with it. And if they don't like it, they can "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" BEFORE THEY TAKE MY MONEY. Once they take my money, that's it. I'm the consumer, I can ask for a refund. They are the producer. They cannot.
This offering is a dream come true for ten-thousands of totally frustrated and sickened lifetime Apple customers. I gratefully accept. And if I feel a little satisfaction as Jobs takes a good, solid blow to the groin, well, forgive me.
Oh no no no, my son! Let's pretend Leopard is a Beatles CD (ironically
This really gets to the heart of the matter, doesn't it? Apple is the RIAA of computers. You can buy their OS for $129 but you are only "allowed" to use it as THEY SEE FIT.
F**k Apple. I bought it, I'll do what I like with it. And if they don't like it, they can "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" BEFORE THEY TAKE MY MONEY. Once they take my money, that's it. I'm the consumer, I can ask for a refund. They are the producer. They cannot.
This offering is a dream come true for ten-thousands of totally frustrated and sickened lifetime Apple customers. I gratefully accept. And if I feel a little satisfaction as Jobs takes a good, solid blow to the groin, well, forgive me.
Selling a computer that is fully compatible with Mac OS X, was called an OpenMac hours ago, and comes pre-installed with Mac OS X (which is against) the EULA....
Means Apple has to act, Apple will definitely make sure they cannot sell any Apple Software or Hardware in the near future ... and will likely make them scrub any Apple trademarks from their site that may be tied to any of their product advertising.
Apple isn't going after an end user like the RIAA does, they are going after a middleman selling copies of their product for profit like most feel the RIAA should be allowed to. If somebody is selling pirated CDs, they are a valid RIAA target.
This company isn't an end user, they are a computer assembler/packager selling an Apple clone product (aka, mac alternative) with Apple's software on it.
If you buy a copy of the Mac OS and install it on a PC, Apple is going to offer you zero support. That is likely all they will do to you. Call them up and say Final Cut doesn't work on your Dell, and you will likely hear a click and silence.
"Revenge of the Clones". I was $200 short of buying a Power Computing clone in '95 when Steverino killed the the mac clones. Loved Power Computing's ads. What a breath of fresh air.
I was $200 short of buying a Power Computing clone in '95 when Steverino killed the the mac clones. Loved Power Computing's ads. What a breath of fresh air.
Okay. Get support for your OS X on a PC when it kernel panics incessantly. Sue the company who made your chainsaw when you cut off your hand trying to slice turkey.
Apple put it in the EULA. Since it's there, and because it is presented AND YOU MUST AGREE TO IT before the use of the product can take place, they can refuse service to you at any time if you do not abide by their rules.
Welcome to America. These are called patents.
