None of this matters anyway. They are a scam. See here:
http://www.macuser.com/huh/the_psystar_case_just_got_weir.php
http://www.macuser.com/huh/the_psystar_case_just_got_weir.php
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'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple
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Here's one even better:
http://computerworld.com/action/art...legal_issues&articleId=9078198&taxonomyId=146
Note the paragraph:
Very good point. People need to realize that it is not a right to own a computer. Apple is a business, trying to make money, and their doing a pretty good job, judging by their profits. I hope that psystar goes belly up. However, I hope this may force Apple to reconsider the headless Mac (midrange of course) that people want.
I tried calling Psystar just to see what I would get. The first time I called, a cheery woman said "Welcome to Psystar, how can I help you?". I asked her if the OpenMac was available. She said yes, then I hung up. Meanwhile, I could hear some noise in the background, including another woman talking and hanging up the phone. The second time I called, I waited a long time, then began to hear ambient noise. This time, I heard a little girl yell "Mommy!", and heard someone running around the house. Then, an indian woman said to someone else, "I'm confused! Line 2 is blinking while Line 1 is steady! What do I do?"or something like that. I heard the little girl begin to tell the lady what to do. Then, a man with a rather deep voice said "Hello?". As I began to talk, they hung up on me. Something's really suspicious here. It sounded as if they were in a house with a busy kitchen.
The truth is coming out. The scam is looking more and more like it. Check this out http://http://www.macuser.com/huh/the_psystar_case_just_got_weir.php
Really? For some of us they're tools- essential for efficiently making a living.
Of course its a scam. However it does bring to light some fo the cracks in this platform's armor.
As a person behind the Apple five concept, I'm really interested at how this model plays out. If Apple is so aggressively pursuing to close it's products and expandability, to me this suggests that Apple wants complete control over all aspects of its product, and secondly either they want to do it in-house or indefinitely limit the potential of its products. Having such closed system is not good for Apple, and I really don't like how Apple wants complete control over all aspects. However having said that Psystar is not the company to take the first move. However it's a good step forward, to reveal Apple and to take on the control at Apple.
This says it all right there. Why are we still discussing it? It's a hoax.
"Step and get your Identity stolen!.... Um... I mean your Mac Clone! All suckers are welcomed!"
This is exactly the kind of bias I was attempting to avoid with the breakdown comparison. Despite comments to the contrary, people are not willing to compare the machines on spec alone.
You say the infrared port isn't a niggle, yet quickly point that you think 3 FW ports are overkill. It is all user preference. Personally I have three Apple remotes stashed in a storage bin because they are never used. However, I am always scrambling for more FW ports for HDD, video cam, DV deck, capture device etc.
Hey, I'm not scrambling out to buy an Open machine, but I enjoyed the attempt to try and see if people were willing to recognize the cost they pay for styling and other esoteric qualities. We should start a thread on this topic.
I think the entire quote by Johnahan Ive was Bull crap.
"Its a shocking statement for a CEO to say publicly, as Steve has, that the goal of a company(Apple) isn't to make money, its to make great products"
Why not let Leopard run on any machine, if the person buys the disk? Dell said it would love to sell computers with 10.5 on it. For a company to charge $20 for a software update to an ipod doen't sound like its all about the product and not about the profit. Why is it ok to run windows on a mac and not 10.5 on any computer you want.
"Its a shocking statement for a CEO to say publicly, as Steve has, that the goal of a company(Apple) isn't to make money, its to make great products"
Why not let Leopard run on any machine, if the person buys the disk? Dell said it would love to sell computers with 10.5 on it. For a company to charge $20 for a software update to an ipod doen't sound like its all about the product and not about the profit. Why is it ok to run windows on a mac and not 10.5 on any computer you want.
Apple knows the hardware in their systems, and make their OS compatible with it, making crashes (kernal panics) happen less often. One of the 7 beauties of mac.
Don't ask about the rest of them.
You may have been trying to avoid bias, but you still made decisions in the pricing that favored the Open. Why add three firewire ports to the Mini when you could add one to the Open? Why increase the Mini processor to match the Open, when you could reduce the Open processor to match the Mini? Why price Apple RAM when you could use Crucial and sell your old RAM? Why not subtract the value of the 120Gb hard drive that you replaced?
All of these decisions you made favor the Open.
And on a separate note, it is well known that the value of a Mac is at it's lowest right before an update because Apple does not lower the price during a product's lifecycle. And the Mini is due. So if the price is within a couple hundred dollars now, it would probably be better than the Open right after it is updated.
Why is styling an esoteric quality? If we are still talking about the Mini, it's form factor is an important selling point for some situations. A small workspace or an entertainment center for a couple examples.
Is a better warranty esoteric? Is the ability to use software update normally esoteric? These things have value.
- As far as I could tell, the only option on the psystar website was to add three FW ports. Since the mini has one and the Open machine does not come stock with one I selected the option using their pricing.
- we were looking at stock machines. The mini comes stock with 2.0 and the open comes stock with 2.2. If you want a fair comparison, I was trying to match all the specs. The open machine has a BTO option to step up to a 2.66 but not back to a 2.0. Either way you get that $42 difference.
- the whole point is to compare pricing from both vendors. The open comes stock with 2 GB of RAM from that vendor. How much is 2 GB of RAM from Apple?
I did indicate that this was an arguable point; ie you could sell the extra drive. I just purchased a new, faster, larger drive for my Macbook and I put the spare in an enclosure. I'm not sure what the market is like for pulled hardware. I have been trying to sell my stock RAM that was replaced ever since I purchased my Macbook and two minis.
Again, I'm not trying to make a decision in favor of one or the other. Just trying to be fair minded about the comparison. I think the rationale above shows that mindset.
The reason Apple doesn't want OS X to run on any machine is because they want to make good products, that make them money too. They need to bring in money, if they want to stay around. Plus one of companies top goal is to make money.
They let Windows run on their computer because it makes buying a Mac easier, because would be buyer can always say "If I end up disliking OS X, I can install Windows"
Has anyone noticed that "psystar" sounds ominously like "shyster"?
I kind of hope they don't go very far with this as I was thinking about trying to build my own "openmac" here in Taiwan with readily available parts and I would hate to see apple get too excited to the point where they shut down the resources out there for doing it. I have no problem buying a licenced OS, but I would love to have another mac for use as a file server/ entertainment unit/ expandable downloading/ burning/ game playing machine. It would just be fun to see if I could do it. Hell, I have one imac and would love to have another mac. Not rich, unfortunately.
I guess I'll be buying a refurb sooner or later anyway.
I kind of hope they don't go very far with this as I was thinking about trying to build my own "openmac" here in Taiwan with readily available parts and I would hate to see apple get too excited to the point where they shut down the resources out there for doing it. I have no problem buying a licenced OS, but I would love to have another mac for use as a file server/ entertainment unit/ expandable downloading/ burning/ game playing machine. It would just be fun to see if I could do it. Hell, I have one imac and would love to have another mac. Not rich, unfortunately.
I guess I'll be buying a refurb sooner or later anyway.
It is a load of bologna. They've been exposed on many websites, and not just the changing addresses.
What do you mean "exposed".
Are they ripping people off?
Common sense says that (if they are a real company) they will offer preloaded leopard until a cease and desist order is received.
Apples next step is to lock down leopard harder via the next software update. I will "break" the install on all rogue machines.
It is not very difficult to imagine future macs with some kind of ASIC based digital certificate onboard, that is required for OSX to install.
Kindof like WGE but without the spyware.
Don
Are they ripping people off?
Common sense says that (if they are a real company) they will offer preloaded leopard until a cease and desist order is received.
Apples next step is to lock down leopard harder via the next software update. I will "break" the install on all rogue machines.
It is not very difficult to imagine future macs with some kind of ASIC based digital certificate onboard, that is required for OSX to install.
Kindof like WGE but without the spyware.
Don
Yah but yesterday it said "Miami" and today it says "Doral" and the address is back on to the suburbs again. If they are moving to a bigger location, why back into the burbs?
See, it's not a matter of series of typos or fanboism, it's a matter of credibility. That of which Psystar hasn't shown one shred of yet.