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TechRadar reports that a representative of Opera Software, the company behind the Opera browser for a number of platforms including the iPhone OS, has stepped into the discussion of Adobe's Flash and its role in Web content at the present and going forward. According to Opera product analyst Phillip Grønvold, Opera will continue to support Flash in its products due to it being an integral part of the Web experience, but sees Flash taking a backseat to HTML5 in the future for video-based content.
"But at Opera we say that the future of the web is open web standards and Flash is not an open web standards technology.

"Flash does have its purposes and will have its purposes, the same as [Microsoft's] Silverlight and others, especially for dynamic content.

"But flash as a video container makes very little sense for CPU, WiFi battery usage etcetera - you can cook an egg on [devices] once you start running Flash on them and there's a reason for that."
While Opera may not be going as far as Apple CEO Steve Jobs's condemnation of Flash, it is clear that the company believes in a future where Flash plays a less ubiquitous role in the Web experience and open standards such as HTML5 arise to provide more universal access to content.

Microsoft has expressed similar views in recent days, acknowledging that it is throwing its weight behind H.264-based HTML5 for video content in its forthcoming Internet Explorer 9. While IE9 will continue to support plug-ins such as Flash Player, Microsoft too is expecting Adobe's dominant role as a container for video content on the Web to wane over time.

Article Link: Opera Software Offers Thoughts on Future of Flash
 
Falling like dominoes.

CEO of ARM is unhappy that Flash Mobile delays are creating problems for netbooks manufacturers.

Adobe is losing the PR battle, but at an accelerating rate.
 
This is getting beyond silly now!

LOL :D

What is the future?

Where is the future?

How is the future?

When is the future?

I mean future is future and if we are talking about it why not skip talk on HTML5 and start talking about HTML6 or 7 straight away!

After all it is THE FUTURE! :eek:

Well how about future as in few months from now and release of Flash Player 10.1 that even today, in its beta stage, runs perfectly fine on some mobile / portable devices... (Nexus One for example)

And Flash isn't only god damn video!

Man...

Hahahahahaha :D
 
More and More companies weighing in.

I think if Adobe does not change it's roadmap, their existance may be limited and wane off also. Acrobat is expensive and there are many alternatives, some people don't like what they done to the old Macromedia products and are turning to other alternatives.

I think the only thing really going for adobe is photoshop right now. but can they they survive with only one real product? and as soon as a "better-than-photoshop" comes along, then those sales will go down too.
 
Adobe needs to wake up and stop being lazy.

Talent is wasted on such old technology for a different era of PCs.

Apple is a Mobile devices company and Mobile devices have ZERO room for flash.
 
Opera mentions Adobe and all of a sudden people care about what they have to say. :rolleyes:

Well if it the other way around with Opera throwing it's weight behind Adobe then it would be okay? But because it's a company that's not behind Adobe it's not okay?

Biased are we just a little bit :rolleyes:
 
Opera mentions Adobe and all of a sudden people care about what they have to say. :rolleyes:

Opera is only saying this because:

1.) It's true
And
2.) So they can keep there app in the app store.


This is Steves show everybody, not even the FTC can regulate Jobs and crew. Be apart of his technological future or be left behind in a FLASH. :cool:
 
This is getting beyond silly now!

LOL :D

What is the future?

Where is the future?

How is the future?

When is the future?

I mean future is future and if we are talking about it why not skip talk on HTML5 and start talking about HTML6 or 7 straight away!

After all it is THE FUTURE! :eek:

Well how about future as in few months from now and release of Flash Player 10.1 that even today, in its beta stage, runs perfectly fine on some mobile / portable devices... (Nexus One for example)

And Flash isn't only god damn video!

Man...

Hahahahahaha :D

Flash content being replaced with non-Flash standards (and/or standalone apps) is not the future—it’s the past and present. It has been happening on a large scale, with many big sites that used to be Flash-dependent no longer being Flash-dependent.

Likewise, the iPad/iPhone that don’t allow Flash are the present. And all those other devices, where battery life is terrible using Flash, are the present as well.

I’m a Flash developer and will continue to use its many strengths for certain (non-mobile!) things, but this transition isn’t some imaginary future. It’s been underway for some time.

And if it were “just the future," that’s still kind of important to discuss and plan for!

(Also, mobile Flash proponents are always taking about “the future” too. The future when all Flash runs on mobile devices, not just older versions of Flash. The future when Flash runs fast and smooth on all platforms. The future when Flash is battery efficient, even for video? And what about the future when all the existing Flash content is re-programmed to not need rollovers? Some of those things will happen... maybe all of them... but we won’t see them all any time soon. Until then, can we say mobile and touch-based Flash works well for all CURRENT Flash sites? No. That’s what some people want, or think they want, but it doesn’t exist.)
 
You sound like a an Adobe shill.

Flash is over.

What is silly is your posts.
:rolleyes:


This is getting beyond silly now!

LOL :D

What is the future?

Where is the future?

How is the future?

When is the future?

I mean future is future and if we are talking about it why not skip talk on HTML5 and start talking about HTML6 or 7 straight away!

After all it is THE FUTURE! :eek:

Well how about future as in few months from now and release of Flash Player 10.1 that even today, in its beta stage, runs perfectly fine on some mobile / portable devices... (Nexus One for example)

And Flash isn't only god damn video!

Man...

Hahahahahaha :D
 
Just give me a bug-free Fireworks equivalent and I'm in. Something with responsive input boxes... And text that doesn't get shifted on grouping.
 
so bascially, steve is saying what everyone has been thinking, only they're not saying it quite so loudly.

i don't wish doom on Flash, but at the same time i see its days are numbered.

i also don't wish doom on Adobe, but its days will become much tougher if it doesn't stop take such a hard line on Flash but instead simply acknowledge its weaknesses and put all this quibbling behind it.
 
They said what Job said, but in a more lean manner.

I thought what Job said, in essence, was that God had the right to punish him, and he did not have the right to question God? :eek: ;)

(Personally, I know there are a handful of Opera fans in the tech world, and it enjoys more use in Europe, etc, than it does here, but I don't consider Opera to be a particularly influential stakeholder in the future of the Internet... at this point, I feel more like they're the wimpy kid who beats on the bully after someone else has knocked him down already.)
 
I think if Adobe does not change it's roadmap, their existance may be limited and wane off also. Acrobat is expensive and there are many alternatives, some people don't like what they done to the old Macromedia products and are turning to other alternatives.

I think the only thing really going for adobe is photoshop right now. but can they they survive with only one real product? and as soon as a "better-than-photoshop" comes along, then those sales will go down too.
And where is this "better-than-photoshop" product? We're on version 12.0 now and still nothing in terms of real competition. And once something dominates the way Photoshop does, merely offering a 'better' alternative won't suffice. Pretty much everything was better than Internet Explorer 6, but it took ages to even make a dent in the market share. And with 4-5 as good or better alternatives, IE is still #1 by so far it's not even funny.

Time for a reality check here. Ever since Steve said no to Flash on i-devices, imagination has run rampant and a few weeks later some people are now apparently imagining Adobe as this small, struggling software midget on a life-support machine, or at least on its last legs. How do you go from Apple vs. Flash to this hallucination...?

In reality, we're talking about a company that sees nearly a billion dollars of revenue every quarter, and their latest earnings report exceeded all expectations and sent the stock sky high. And that was before CS5 had been released, let alone announced. They have Photoshop (no competition), Illustrator (no competition), Acrobat (some competition but still a strong performing product), Dreamweaver, After Effects, Premiere and Flash. Even if the whole world were to stop using the Flash plug-in tomorrow, Adobe is still in an excellent position for becoming the #1 provider of HTML5/Canvas authoring tools, when that day comes. The last time Adobe failed (with their SVG format, an alternative to Flash), they effing bought the competitor that beat them and made Flash theirs. They're not going anywhere.

I've seen a lot of ridiculous things in my time, but an anti-Adobe Apple community really takes the cake. It's like starting up the Anti-American Club of Normandy, France. Mac wouldn't even exist if it hadn't been the #1 platform for creative professionals during the dark mid 90's when they were the only ones still buying Mac, and guess which software they used.
 
They're not going anywhere.

I Don't think adobe is going anywhere and i don't want to see the company go out of biz. But i do think there may be a 50/50 Split of Sites and content providers who support either HTML5 OR FLash and then some may support both.

But Flash is not going anywhere however some sites will strictly be HTML5 or Both HTML 5 and Flash. But it's narrow minded to insist that flash will be the De Facto standard for webcontent. When so many are switching to HTML 5 and since so many Heavy weights are behind html5 now (i.e microsoft,opera,apple,etc).

Eventually there will be a natural drop off of flash sites and content till it loses it marketshare. But by that point i would have hoped that Adobe will realize that html 5 is the way to go.
 
Adobe needs to wake up and stop being lazy.

Talent is wasted on such old technology for a different era of PCs.

Apple is a Mobile devices company and Mobile devices have ZERO room for flash.

I get it that Steve Jobs does all the thinking and talking for you? Any opinions - and phrases - of your own on that subject?
 
This is getting beyond silly now!

LOL :D

What is the future?

Where is the future?

How is the future?

When is the future?

I mean future is future and if we are talking about it why not skip talk on HTML5 and start talking about HTML6 or 7 straight away!

After all it is THE FUTURE! :eek:

Well how about future as in few months from now and release of Flash Player 10.1 that even today, in its beta stage, runs perfectly fine on some mobile / portable devices... (Nexus One for example)

And Flash isn't only god damn video!

Man...

Hahahahahaha :D


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