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Opera Submits Browser App to Apple, Starts Countdown
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Something tells me Apple will approve this. If you didn't notice, Opera comes pre-installed on all new Macs, it's just hidden. Plus I don't think Apple wants the negative publicity and they knew without pinch-to-zoom that Safari is still the more functional browser and people who want to "convert" to Opera will probably switch back. Plus 95% of people will still end up using Safari on their iPhones/iPods anyway so it won't be taking away much of their marketshare.
Now Firefox Mobile might be different, I can see it getting declined.
Now Firefox Mobile might be different, I can see it getting declined.
Faster but...
Certainly loads faster, but realize that the Opera browser additional page loads are all partial websites. So faster, but not that much faster.
Certainly loads faster, but realize that the Opera browser additional page loads are all partial websites. So faster, but not that much faster.
I don't understand everyone saying this. You're fine with sending all your extremely sensitive information (bank statements, personal email, etc) through Google, a company that sends all your stuff to advertisement agencies; but you don't like the idea of your stuff going through Opera, a company based out of Norway which has some of the strictest privacy laws.
No it doesn't. It comes with some adobe software, but it does not come on Macs.
Are you positive there is no pinch to zoom in Opera?
Though I always feel disappoint to compare Opera with other browsers in Mac OSX, I expect to see Opera Mobile to conquer iphone like it did on other mobile platforms.
On Edge?And besides,you get different speeds depending on location and network traffic.When/if it comes out it will be proved or disproved.I really don't see any upside for them to fake the demo by any huge amount,since the truth would come out the day it is released.
No Pinch to zoom, but if you press on the spot you want it will zoom.
At least that's how it is on my Nexus One, and the stock browser has multi-touch.
Almost everyone seems to think this is some new product. Opera has been doing this for a long time on other phone platforms. While this is new for the iPhone, the exact same functionality has been available on the blackberry for a while. It has always been free and no server issues or lawsuits. It also doesn't "feel" any different than any other browser, with the server side rendering. Just much quicker. It doesn't pinch zoom, but will tap zoom, which is preferable at least for blackberry users who are used to operating with thumbs and not having to use index fingers. I have used it on the Storm for a while and it works great. Of course the RIM browser is horrible and no comparison to Safari, but this still may be a good alternative for some on the iPhone.
Antitrust law is a political tool. Its claimed intention is to stop monopolistic behaviour, but it's mostly applied to the largest firms to remind them that they're not cooperating with the current political elite. Pre-MS-skirmish, Gates was fairly apolitical.
Opera is based in Norway, which has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world. In addition to that, Opera has an excellent privacy track record.Except Opera Mini's server-side caching means Opera has all your data, where you've been, where you're going, who you bank with and you might want to think carefully about that before using it where privacy matters.
The only one getting pwned by Opera Mini here is the customer.
Opera has not interest in spying on you. The Opera Mini proxy servers basically only serve as a way to route data. They aren't storing anything.
Unlike Google.
That's interesting, considering that Safari is known for its site compatibility issues.
No, that article is pure FUD. It's actively spreading lies. If you actually want some decent information, ask Opera:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/javascript-support-in-opera-mini-4/
Heh. What is this supposed to mean?
You do realize that Presto uses the VEGA graphics engine, which even without hardware acceleration beats everything else at things like drawing graphics and such?
Except it doesn't render HTML. It's more like an image viewer. And even if it had rendered HTML, HTML is just markup, not executable code.
Opera has been around for more than 15 years. And has a decent amount of cash, and is profitable.
Opera Mini has been around since 2006.
You are claiming that proxy servers are illegal, which is just ridiculous.
Running a proxy server does not violate anyone's copyright.
They are showing the difference on a slower connection. Most people aren't on perfect connections, after all. This video shows an independent test with Safari on 3G vs. Opera Mini on 2G:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3ak5-braM
Why is it either one or the other? Safari has its use, and Opera Mini has its. Opera Mini is useful if you don't have a perfect network connection, or you don't have an unlimited data plan.
That's assuming that 95% will have a great connection, unlimited data, and won't want to surf faster and save money
Observations on polarization
Slightly off topic, but I find the polarization over Opera in this thread somewhat surprising. To me it seems that the Opera fan base and the Mac fan base would have a lot in common. Although the situation has changed in the past couple of years, historically Opera was the little company holding out against Microsoft (like Mac). Opera was constantly introducing innovative features years ahead of the competition: tabs, mouse gestures, download managers, session saving, etc. (like Mac). Opera released its software for multiple platforms (including Mac), something that was almost unheard of at the time.
In short, Opera and the Mac share a similar situation and history, and Opera has supported the Mac as a platform since early versions. Opera has played a vital (and unfortunately largely uncredited) role in advancing the browser market. As a result, I tend to expect larger Mac community support of Opera, which typically shows, at best, a luke-warm response.
Note that I am just "thinking out loud" here. The rating on the mac rumors page is far higher that the actual discussion here. Some posters here have a positive view of the application, some have a negative view, and some are reserving judgement until they actuall try the app.
Personally, I have a 2G iPod Touch and only use wifi. While my bandwidth speed is usually good, sometimes it is not and as a result downloading/rendering a page is painfully slow (to an extent like that of the NY Times shown in the video). I am hoping that Opera Mini will be a viable alternative in such situations. Apart from that, I like Opera's browser and view anything that keeps up revenue, and thus keeps them in business, as a very good thing.
Slightly off topic, but I find the polarization over Opera in this thread somewhat surprising. To me it seems that the Opera fan base and the Mac fan base would have a lot in common. Although the situation has changed in the past couple of years, historically Opera was the little company holding out against Microsoft (like Mac). Opera was constantly introducing innovative features years ahead of the competition: tabs, mouse gestures, download managers, session saving, etc. (like Mac). Opera released its software for multiple platforms (including Mac), something that was almost unheard of at the time.
In short, Opera and the Mac share a similar situation and history, and Opera has supported the Mac as a platform since early versions. Opera has played a vital (and unfortunately largely uncredited) role in advancing the browser market. As a result, I tend to expect larger Mac community support of Opera, which typically shows, at best, a luke-warm response.
Note that I am just "thinking out loud" here. The rating on the mac rumors page is far higher that the actual discussion here. Some posters here have a positive view of the application, some have a negative view, and some are reserving judgement until they actuall try the app.
Personally, I have a 2G iPod Touch and only use wifi. While my bandwidth speed is usually good, sometimes it is not and as a result downloading/rendering a page is painfully slow (to an extent like that of the NY Times shown in the video). I am hoping that Opera Mini will be a viable alternative in such situations. Apart from that, I like Opera's browser and view anything that keeps up revenue, and thus keeps them in business, as a very good thing.
You're making judgements on rendering engines when you can't interpret a simple C while loop.
Classic!
They are showing the difference on a slower connection. Most people aren't on perfect connections, after all. This video shows an independent test with Safari on 3G vs. Opera Mini on 2G:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3ak5-braM
Why is it either one or the other? Safari has its use, and Opera Mini has its. Opera Mini is useful if you don't have a perfect network connection, or you don't have an unlimited data plan.
That's assuming that 95% will have a great connection, unlimited data, and won't want to surf faster and save money
That video of Opera vs Safari is a complete joke. The problem in that video is that AT&T's 3G network stinks. EDGE is much faster to start that INITIAL data connection. I tried loading the same pages on my 3GS over 3G, and my loading pages was miles faster than in that demo, using Safari, once the 3G data connection kicked in.
In any case, I really hope Apple lets Opera exist.
Sensitive Data?
This is why it won't get approve in my opinion. Instead of being a browser that works on the Iphone. Its really 3rd party hub for your surfing. They could record bank data where you've gone and everything you do without your knowledge. When I bought my phone I didn't agree to that kind of exposure.
I hope you are not using the unencrypted websites to speed up rendering, which means poeple couldn't use this for sensitive information such as online purchases and banking, otherwise, you have some explaining to do
This is why it won't get approve in my opinion. Instead of being a browser that works on the Iphone. Its really 3rd party hub for your surfing. They could record bank data where you've gone and everything you do without your knowledge. When I bought my phone I didn't agree to that kind of exposure.
Then don't use the Opera app if you're that paranoid. Of course this paranoia has been debunked over and over again. You should be more afraid of using Gmail, MobileMemail, Yahoo! mail, etc.
I hope you are not using the unencrypted websites to speed up rendering, which means poeple couldn't use this for sensitive information such as online purchases and banking, otherwise, you have some explaining to do
Well version 4 I used to use on my old Sony Ericsson phone years ago supported SSL, my bank (Barclays) actually recommend it for using their site on your mobile at the time.
According to another site, Opera has a site out with a count down timer. However, they never posted the link. The topic is here: http://www.iphoneuserguide.com/page/2/
http://my.opera.com/community/countup/ - you can also enter the competition to guess the time the app will be approved.
Your opinion is an uninformed one. Just by simply going to Opera's site and reading up on the technology, they clearly state that *any* transaction that requires a secure connection goes straight to the phone and not through their servers. And who in their right mind would use an over-the-air connection for doing important things like banking anyway?