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Opera's Minimalist Mobile Browser Gets a Design Overhaul

Unggoy Murderer said:
They're a Norwegian company, not European. They are based in Europe, and it's likely their engineers will do whatever they're told to do, or face dismissal.
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That isn't how it works. How long have you been in Scotland? You do know that if you where an engineer anywhere in Europe that if you were dismissed for refusing to break the law that would be akin to winning the lottery.

Unggoy Murderer said:
Quoted from you previously, this is almost entirely legislated through the GDPR.
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Nope, well before GDPR. Have a wee nose at Transatlantic Data Privacy and similar. Hosting a customer database in the USA for a EU website is a-ok because there are agreements in place, you can't do the same in a country where there is no agreement in place and can't export that data to such an external country.
 
ruka.snow said:
That isn't how it works. How long have you been in Scotland? You do know that if you where an engineer anywhere in Europe that if you were dismissed for refusing to break the law that would be akin to winning the lottery.
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A long time. :)

And I totally agree - if they were asked to do something illegal then of course, they'd be able to go to an employment tribunal and mop the floor with them and then some. I think you are maybe overlapping what's lawful and what's ethical? I wouldn't be pleased about being asked to implement something like what you described, but it wouldn't be illegal, as it's within the scope of the GDPR. Certainly not in its spirits, but fully legal.

ruka.snow said:
Nope, well before GDPR. Have a wee nose at Transatlantic Data Privacy and similar. Hosting a customer database in the USA for a EU website is a-ok because there are agreements in place, you can't do the same in a country where there is no agreement in place and can't export that data to such an external country.
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Well aware of these too, all replaced with the GDPR and the EU/US "Privacy Shield". It is not impossible to transfer data outside of the UK/EU/EEA and be fully compliant with the GDPR.

Unfortunately, very few people keep to the "spirit" of the GDPR (things like "This website uses cookies" are not within that spirit).
 
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Unggoy Murderer said:
And I totally agree - if they were asked to do something illegal then of course, they'd be able to go to an employment tribunal and mop the floor with them and then some. I think you are maybe overlapping what's lawful and what's ethical? I wouldn't be pleased about being asked to implement something like what you described, but it wouldn't be illegal, as it's within the scope of the GDPR. Certainly not in its spirits, but fully legal.
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Sending user data off to China would be unethical and potentially illegal. Certainly something you can be sure would result in an engineer refusing and an Opera engineer would have an easy time finding a job. Regardless, Opera haven't shown any indication that they are influenced by the parent company. Chinese businesses invest outside of China for the same reason any other huge company does, diversifying. You can't assume a billion people are out to get you, we've never even been to war with China in history.... they aren't England.
 
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Unggoy Murderer said:
Wouldn't touch Opera with a barge-pole since it was sold to a shady Chinese equity firm a few years back.
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LOL I haven't used Opera in over a decade since the SonyEricsson K750, W810 and lastly the K850i was last released ('94/95 maybe)?

Captain Trips said:
"Opera. That is a name I have not heard in a long time. A long time."

Shamelessly stolen form Star Wars: A New Hope (or just Star Wars for those who saw it in the theater before the episode number & name were used).
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In the theatres ... Star Wars didn't get the # of the episode in the title BUT it ID at the opening credit monologue. It as every other version except for 3 ALWAYS had the opening monologue with episode #.
 
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ruka.snow said:
Opera is as much to do with China as any other company with outside investors. It is still developed in the EU and still has to abide by EU law which is much stricter than the USA... the USA has almost no protections and this is why you have Facebook and Google knowing everything about you.
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No thanks.
 
IllinoisCorn said:
You can always go buy those European invented, designed and built phones and OS's.
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We are in a way. PowerVR came from Hertfordshire and Jonathan Ive came from Essex. Most of the iOS design was influenced by work from Quantel of Newbury (dating back to 1976). Cambridgeshire is justifiably proud of Acorn/ARM too. Even the unit injector came from London and the US loves those.
 

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qoop said:
We are in a way. PowerVR came from Hertfordshire and Jonathan Ive came from Essex. Most of the iOS design was influenced by work from Quantel of Newbury (dating back to 1976). Cambridgeshire is justifiably proud of Acorn/ARM too. Even the unit injector came from London and the US loves those.
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"in a way."

Proves the point. I don't see Sir Jony designing computers for all those European tech companies.
 
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