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[Opinion Article] Wake-up Apple, the iPhone is a yawn!

pdutta2000 said:
Completely overrated. Since it's inception its only generated around $150 billion in revenue on 250 million unit sales. That doesn't include Apps or Accessories. Last quarter they only sold ~35 million units and the iPhone division only generates more revenue than all of Microsoft. Most overrated piece of technology ever. :rolleyes:
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I never understood the money angle. Keep in mind where Apple came from and how long they were the under dogs.

I think of it like this. My neighbor makes more money then I do, however that doesn't make him any less of the piece of **** he is.

Note, I don't think the iPhone is a pos I actually prefer it for the phone I use the majority of the time. I just wouldn't use the revenue aspect as debating material with a device with a known incredibly high profit margin built in. Now debating business is a different story.
 
pdutta2000 said:
Completely overrated. Since it's inception its only generated around $150 billion in revenue on 250 million unit sales. That doesn't include Apps or Accessories. Last quarter they only sold ~35 million units and the iPhone division only generates more revenue than all of Microsoft. Most overrated piece of technology ever. :rolleyes:
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Thanks for proving my point.

Might help if you look up what overrated means.

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cynics said:
I never understood the money angle. Keep in mind where Apple came from and how long they were the under dogs.

I think of it like this. My neighbor makes more money then I do, however that doesn't make him any less of the piece of **** he is.

Note, I don't think the iPhone is a pos I actually prefer it for the phone I use the majority of the time. I just wouldn't use the revenue aspect as debating material with a device with a known incredibly high profit margin built in. Now debating business is a different story.
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I've said before, the list of things people can say iOS does better than the competition has become increasingly shorter and debatable over the past year. The money argument remains one of the hardest things to contend, so people will use it even if it's mostly irrelevant to discussions of an OS' functionality.
 
cynics said:
I never understood the money angle. Keep in mind where Apple came from and how long they were the under dogs.
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This is exactly why the story is so amazing and not overrated. Apple has finally figured out how to sell their products. It took Steve Jobs getting fired, Apple almost going out of business and Apple redefining their Operations to become what they are. It's the complete turnaround of a company that makes this story. That's why the iPhone isn't overrated simply because it is the crowning achievement of that process.

I don't say whether the iPhone is better or not than other phones..simply that you can't undervalue its accomplishments.
 
This is a pretty lame thread. Of course Apple will upgrade the screen and the radio. Yawn! What else is new?

As an Apple customer, I'm much more interested in getting good and useful new innovations, not the stupid 15% annual speed bumps. Speed, by itself, does absolutely nothing for me.
 
importfan said:
Android will never be toast and apple needs to do more than lift restrictions. The hardware is still badly lacking. Small screen, no 4g, no expandable memory, non removable battery and such. Apple will never make ios open source.
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Screen increasing this year - check
4s is 4G, but of course if you ment LTE, then included this yr - check
Expandable memory included a feature of iCloud last year - check
Replaceable battery? Seriously this isn't even a desire. Most good smart phones don't have replaceable batteries anyway to save space. So CHECK due to starting a trend in phone.
And such - check
 
w00t951 said:
Before Jelly Bean, I would have said that iOS is a better platform than Ice Cream Sandwich. Now, however, Jelly Bean demonstrates that Android can "just work." My battery life doubled to 5 screen hours. Everything is smooth.

What do I want from iOS? Well, I want a better multitasking system. I want some kind of widget system. I want a taller and wider display. I want a method of eliminating ads from apps and websites. I just wish the OS felt more dynamic than it is today. Android is a platform that discourages the need for constantly using apps. iOS, on the other hand, is a shell for applications.

If it weren't for iTunes integration or app quality, I wouldn't give iOS another look. Coming from a lifelong Apple fan, this is bad news.
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A lot of the things you want iOS to do go completely against Apple's design philosophy.

There comes a time every year, usually about a 3 month span, where I stop coming to MacRumors forums. That time is usually when we're coming upon a new iPhone release. These forums fill with hateful posts and arguing about why Android is better. It's so tiresome. Seems like it's starting early this year, and I'm not really sure why, but it's time to start avoiding again.
 
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solarguy17 said:
4s is 4G, but of course if you ment LTE, then included this yr - check
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Umm, yeah, no it's not. In fact, the only people I have heard claim that it is are people on pro-Apple forums such as this one. I have even popped into my local Apple store to inquire, and they confirmed that it is not technically a 4G phone and that changing the '3G' icon at the top of the screen to a '4G' icon via a software update does not make it one.
 

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skidbubble said:
Umm, yeah, no it's not. In fact, the only people I have heard claim that it is are people on pro-Apple forums such as this one. I have even popped into my local Apple store to inquire, and they confirmed that it is not technically a 4G phone and that changing the '3G' icon at the top of the screen to a '4G' icon via a software update does not make it one.
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AT&T sells HSPA+ as 4G...

And considering AT&T sells a slew of devices, android and otherwise, with 4G HSPA+, this is not an Apple issue.
 
Dmaynard83 said:
Tried jelly bean and ui is still laggy. No thanks.
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Do tell me where you tried it please. There aren't really any stores with demo units out with it yet. Every review of the nexus 7 says its extremely responsive and there is no lag. It has no lag on my galaxy nexus and the tegra 3 was already much smoother in ics than my nexus. Its got to scream in jellybean.
 
Just gonna say the same thing I said on another thread:

I have a feeling Apple will become the next RIM / Nokia.

Nokia had no competition until Apple came along and Apple had no competition until Google came along.

Nokia and RIM felt so safe and didnt innovate enough. Look where they are now. Apple could very well end the same way in their mobile sector.
 
My phone is a yawn? I don't think so! Don't get me wrong. I'm a tech geek. A programmer by trade. I love playing with new tech toys. I love checking out new hardware and playing with new operating systems and so on.

But at the end of the day, it's really not about the hardware or even the OS. It's all about the software. Sure my iPhone is boring to look at. Especially all these years later. Both physically and the user interface. And if I was only interested in looking at cool hardware, I'd probably look elsewhere. But the excitement over the new hardware doesn't last long. It's all about what you can DO with the hardware.

I bought my phone because of what I can actually DO with it. Not for the device itself. That's just the thing that let's me run my software. Because without that, it's just a nifty looking piece of glass and metal.
 
skidbubble said:
Umm, yeah, no it's not. In fact, the only people I have heard claim that it is are people on pro-Apple forums such as this one. I have even popped into my local Apple store to inquire, and they confirmed that it is not technically a 4G phone and that changing the '3G' icon at the top of the screen to a '4G' icon via a software update does not make it one.
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And that's part of my point. 4g means nothing as a term. Every company markets HSPA+ as 4g to point where everyone realizes the LTE is faster then 4g and no one is really confused at this point except for ppl like you that try to force they original meaning on others. If you mean LTE, say it.

The iPhone 4s is 4g, but not LTE. The iPhone 5 will be able to connect to LTE and 4g networks.

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jkim3691 said:
The iPhone doesn't even get the top HSPA+ speeds due to hardware limitations.
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Your point?
No phone gets the true technical top speed of any network due to hardware limitations. LTE is supposed to download capable to 75Mbps, have you seen that on any phone ever. Nope. So again what is your point.
 
Sensamic said:
I have a feeling Apple will become the next RIM / Nokia.

Nokia had no competition until Apple came along and Apple had no competition until Google came along.
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No doubt that the market is competitive, but I don't see a single thing about Android that's better than iOS. Yes, Apple puts out just one phone a year, but that's not a problem for me. The Android hardware family is badly fragmented, so app store apps aren't consistently reliable.
 
Alameda said:
The Android hardware family is badly fragmented, so app store apps aren't consistently reliable.
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Anyone that _knows_ how the Android OS is built, understands that the word "fragmentation" has been turned into a single buzzword by the haters & iOS camp, to be used as an attack on Android.
 
skidbubble said:
Anyone that _knows_ how the Android OS is built, understands that the word "fragmentation" has been turned into a single buzzword by the haters & iOS camp, to be used as an attack on Android.
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There are a lot of people in my office who like Android, but I used a Galaxy S II for a while and I am underwhelmed:

1) It's UI is clunky, like a Linux desktop. There's no graphical consistency in the UI, even with the built-in apps.

2) It crashed on me quite often.

3) Apps from the app store which I used -- and, I admit, I didn't buy every single app -- were very inconsistent. I thought the whole store was not as well- designed or easy to use as Apple's, and there's little way to know if a particular app will run correctly on your phone. That is why I, and not any conspiracy which you may think I'm part of, but I believe it's fragmented.

4) I admit there are some superior hardware options in AndroidLand, but there is nothing superior in the software.

My closing point, before you ascend upon me with violent disagreement, is this: I am VERY productive with my iPhone. I do not get the same benefit with the Android phone I had. It can do the same things, at the end of the day, but the integration and ease of doing those tasks is better on iPhone, according to the vast conspiracy known as "me and the iPhone camp."
 
Alameda said:
There are a lot of people in my office who like Android, but I used a Galaxy S II for a while and I am underwhelmed:

1) It's UI is clunky, like a Linux desktop. There's no graphical consistency in the UI, even with the built-in apps.

2) It crashed on me quite often.

3) Apps from the app store which I used -- and, I admit, I didn't buy every single app -- were very inconsistent. I thought the whole store was not as well- designed or easy to use as Apple's, and there's little way to know if a particular app will run correctly on your phone. That is why I, and not any conspiracy which you may think I'm part of, but I believe it's fragmented.

4) I admit there are some superior hardware options in AndroidLand, but there is nothing superior in the software.

My closing point, before you ascend upon me with violent disagreement, is this: I am VERY productive with my iPhone. I do not get the same benefit with the Android phone I had. It can do the same things, at the end of the day, but the integration and ease of doing those tasks is better on iPhone, according to the vast conspiracy known as "me and the iPhone camp."
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Wow. Nothing is better? That statement alone shows you aren't a reasonable person. Any rational person without an agenda can see both OS' have things they are better with. Wow...
 
solarguy17 said:
Your point?
No phone gets the true technical top speed of any network due to hardware limitations. LTE is supposed to download capable to 75Mbps, have you seen that on any phone ever. Nope. So again what is your point.
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Limitations are still limitations. Say I can get more than whatever the HSPA+ speed is on my 4s. Would I want it? Absolutely. Every more bit of speed I'd welcome.
 
jkim3691 said:
The iPhone doesn't even get the top HSPA+ speeds due to hardware limitations.
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the top speeds are only in controlled lab conditions with no other signal interference

in the real world you have people around you broadcasting on the same or close frequencies and your phone has to filter these out. more towers won't solve it since the signal travels farther than the closest tower. 3G is like going back to the days of layer 1 hubs where every device broadcasts over the network and has to be filtered out
 
The iGentleman said:
Wrong. http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...G-LTE-Speed-Test-Results-POST-EM-HERE!/page31
There are even T-Mobile HSPA+ speedtests with people getting 25-30Mbps.
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This is the first time I have ever heard of anyone getting anywhere near the theoretical speed. I know it doesn't happen in my hometown for any generation of service, Edge, 3G, 4G, LTE.

But regardless, it's a 4 G phone simply becuase it connects to what are now referred to as 4G networks. I happen to agree with you, the network shouldn't be allowed to call HSPA+ "4G". But it already happened and just to end confusion I gave trying to differentiate. You should do the same.

iPhone 4S is a 4G phone. But not LTE

iPhone 5 will be a LTE phone. But not LTE-A


iPhone 10 will be a 6G phone.
 
solarguy17 said:
This is the first time I have ever heard of anyone getting anywhere near the theoretical speed. I know it doesn't happen in my hometown for any generation of service, Edge, 3G, 4G, LTE.

But regardless, it's a 4 G phone simply becuase it connects to what are now referred to as 4G networks. I happen to agree with you, the network shouldn't be allowed to call HSPA+ "4G". But it already happened and just to end confusion I gave trying to differentiate. You should do the same.

iPhone 4S is a 4G phone. But not LTE

iPhone 5 will be a LTE phone. But not LTE-A


iPhone 10 will be a 6G phone.
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Wrong, the iphone 4s is almost a 4g but is not. It does not meet the requirements. You can check apple main page and phone description for that.

Dont you think if it was a 4g they would market it like one?

Check your facts: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
 
preguntonontrac said:
Wrong, the iphone 4s is almost a 4g but is not. It does not meet the requirements. You can check apple main page and phone description for that.

Dont you think if it was a 4g they would market it like one?

Check your facts: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
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Hold on, just check the signal indicator and yep, says 4G. Case closed. They consider it a 4G phone simply becuase that is now the common marketing term for hspa+.
And yes, I have heard many AT&T employees sell it as a 4G phone.

I agree, HDPA+ shouldn't be counted as 4G. Personally. I think they should have put a + next to the 3G when on HSPA+. But they didn't. Get over it.
 
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