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I have amazon echo, google assistant and Siri and to my needs they do not differ that much. I have unplugged echo recently as it speaks randomly,without me asking anything. Creepy, when it is in the middle of the night in a quite quiet room. Also, minimizing on Google things due to heavy spamming.

AirPods sound good enough. Not perfect, I think nobody expected them to be perfect anyway. but I only have 23 years of experience of producing music and about 5 years of DJing, so what do I know about sound.
And, please, do not compare $150 earbuds to a $500 monitor cans, anyone will know which sounds better
I don't need to compare Airpods to a pair of monitor headphones, they don't even compete with most 20 dollar wired headphones. I've always owned good quality audio gear and have been an audio enthusiast for most of my life so I'm more then capable of making the comparison. Airpods are convenient sure, but do they sound good for music, hell no!!
 
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Apple really should have added a super-wide-angle lens instead of a telephoto lens first. Super-wide-angle lenses are so much more useful than telephoto lenses.

I'm with you, but most people are after zoom. They equate zoom with power. Experienced photographers know that zoom isn't all what it's cracked up to be. If you want to nail a great shot, you'll have better results if you're able to get closer physically. Zoom is a poor substitute for being close enough to a scene to read it and react to it.

Most people don't really know what they're doing with their cameras though... so zoom is king.
 
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About dam time.
Up until now the zoom of the so called zoom lens has been pathetic.
I'm happy to accept, perhaps 10x whilst amazing is perhaps more than generally needed.
Perhaps 5x would be a happy medium, but having a 2x zoom is borderline pointless really.

Apple are not alone.
The very latest Samsung 10 models, with their wide-angle lens.
If you look at the latest reviews. The wide angle on the back is superb, but they have screwed up the wide angle on the front for group selfies, it's barely any wider than normal, missing the whole point.

It's funny how things that are so obvious as wrong, get all the way thru to a finished product.
It's like, did anyone not notice this when they were making the design choices?

But yes, again, I welcome a stronger zoom in general.
 
One day, people will marvel at how the things they carry around in their pockets or purses with their multiple microphones and dozens of cameras, once had only ONE OR TWO cameras, at most, and included a real, actual PHONE you could, like, TALK to other people with! Kind of like how kids today likely would be amazed at how we used to be able to watch movies recorded onto magnetic tape spooled inside a rectangular cartridge, with, get this... NO internet connection! AMAZING!




Android smartphone manufacturer Oppo has introduced a 10x optical zoom camera system that is said to be shipping in the spring. Engadget describes the system:
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Both the main camera and zoom camera come with optical image stabilization, and the phone interpolates between fixed zoom settings to provide continuous "optical" zoom from 1x to 10x.

Oppo allowed hands on time with prototypes of the device with early software. GSMArena and PCWorld provide some sample zoom shots from ultra-wide to 10x zoom.

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10x zoom sample shot via PCWorld

Apple has been widely rumored to be including a triple camera system in their 2019 iPhones. The mosts recent rumor from Ming Chi Kuo indicates that the new iPhones will have a "wide, telephoto, and ultra-wide lens". Apple describes the current iPhone XS as having "Dual 12MP wide-angle and telephoto cameras".

Beyond the presence of the three cameras, the exact advantages to Apple's new system has not been fully articulated. The most concrete features described of the new camera system came from Bloomberg:Apple's next generation 2019 iPhones are expected to launch this fall.

Article Link: Oppo Introduces 10x Optical Zoom Triple-Camera Smartphone
 
Being able to zoom far is actually useful, though.

Soon, it will become a question of "toss that digital camera away", if you haven't already. even the more expensive ones.

As smart-phone became better, less and less need for point & shoots.
 
I don't need to compare Airpods to a pair of monitor headphones, they don't even compete with most 20 dollar wired headphones. I've always owned good quality audio gear and have been an audio enthusiast for most of my life so I'm more then capable of making the comparison. Airpods are convenient sure, but do they sound good for music, hell no!!

They do not sound good to you then, to me they do.
And you must have had some good luck to get good sounding under $20 earphones.
I was never so lucky, and I tried a lot of them. To say that they don’t even compete, is a huge overstatement though.
 
They do not sound good to you then, to me they do.
And you must have had some good luck to get good sounding under $20 earphones.
I was never so lucky, and I tried a lot of them. To say that they don’t even compete, is a huge overstatement though.
I don't think op said $20 earphones sounded good :)
 
If we’re talking equivalent focal length 150 is nearer 3x

They say it’s a 10x *range* as they start off with a wide angle lens and the highest focal length is 10x that.

It’s a bit cheeky to call to “10x zoom” really if it isn’t nearer 500mm.
 
If we’re talking equivalent focal length 150 is nearer 3x

They say it’s a 10x *range* as they start off with a wide angle lens and the highest focal length is 10x that.

It’s a bit cheeky to call to “10x zoom” really if it isn’t nearer 500mm.
I understood that a standard phone camera lens is around 30mm. So 160mm is 5x magnification on standard shot. 50mm is for an SLR.
 
I think the Homepod is useless as its neither here nor there. Siri needs a lot of work to be useful and I honestly think that Siri without display is a DOA. So, if you strip Homepod to just sound then its ok but as assistant its not.

I would rather Apple remove the mic, Siri etc. and have it just a speaker. Drop the price and you have something.

Personally, I don't like Alexa or Google version too. To me, these products are DOA.
Airport express - airplay anything you want. AppleTV - airplay anything you want. These speakers are just not very useful to most people.
But hey, if it works for you then its fine. :D

Well it’s meant to be a great speaker, a HomeKit hub, and an Apple Music player. The hardware and Siri are all excellent at that. Better than Amazon and Google’s versrions in some ways. If you just don’t like smart speakers, then that’s totally fine (I don’t either), but to claim that the HomePod is trash or useless is pretty dumb to say.
 
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I never understood the camera wars...
Pictures taken on iphone 5 looked perfectly good for me and for anyone's average instagram post.

If you need anything better you probably should go for the PRO handheld cameras. Again even those I do not see their pictures any better unless they can capture images in HD for large prints.
 
If we’re talking equivalent focal length 150 is nearer 3x

They say it’s a 10x *range* as they start off with a wide angle lens and the highest focal length is 10x that.

It’s a bit cheeky to call to “10x zoom” really if it isn’t nearer 500mm.
I hate to repeat myself but that isn’t how zoom is calculated. It’s simply the longest focal length divided by the shortest focal length. A 10x lens can be either a 16-160, a 24-240, a 50-500, or some other combo like that. A 500mm prime lens isn’t a 10x lens, it’s a 1x lens because it can’t zoom. To be fair the optics in this OPPO phone are actually only 5x and they are using 2x of digital zoom, similar to how Apple gets to 5x zoom with theirs.

Edit: just an fyi the actual focal lengths in this phone are probably more like 1mm to 5mm which is multiplied by the tiny sensor, just like any phone.
 
Yes, but for some reason I am not expecting much *New* this year. ( I hope I am wrong ), A13 will be the CPU uArch Improvement, Better GPU and NPU + 7nm EUV. Apple is now basically working in a three years cadence fashion similar to Intel. Not entirely convinced on the Triple Camera, but Computational Photography seems to benefits from it. Newer Intel 7660 Modem to finally fix all the crap Intel didn't get to fix with their first 14nm Baseband Modem Design. Retuned 4x4 MIMO Antenna that arguably were unfinished by Apple Standards, New Internal Layout with larger battery space. Possibly Faster NAND. Most of these will be Refinement correction, to what I seen should have been done with XS in the first place. ( Likely running out of time ). All the major improvements will likely be next year when they have 5G iPhone that requires to rethink everything in terms of design prespective.

I am expecting iOS 13 will be the star this year.

We will have to see how the periscope design work as well. In practice you get much smaller CMOS, higher crosstalk and noises. It could have been the trade off between much better Zoom while getting degradation of captured photos.
Agree with most of what you wrote, that’s Apple 101. We’ll see about the camera.
 
Whatever about folding phones, which I personally believe will remain a gimmick for the next decade, until they become good—at which point I still won’t want one because I’m trying to be diet digital for mental health reasons, the idea of adding more cameras to phones. Something that sounds odd at first, has genuine practical use for all users. Imagine the chambers of a gun for a moment, and each one is a camera of differing focal length and the center bearing is the flash. With elegant software this product could be an amazing camera in a phone body, able to zoom in on many more things and provide awesome clarity with awesome after the fact focus correction.

I wonder what You people have to Fotograf all the time. If You have friends they are with You, and if not who cares.
For me all this foto thing is a huge marketing bubble too.

I can experience my life, don’t need to capture it. Some snaps with an old iPhone camera are more than good.

What I miss is a lease with special trim for scanning and ocr, that would help in real life.
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Off topic, how do you pronounce Nikon?

Who is You?
In AUSTRIA we say Nikon
 
The hardware is pretty incredible, much better than anything Google or Amazon has available. It’s a high end speaker first and foremost. It sounds great and can pick up commands anywhere in my house. I wasn’t comparing Siri vs Alexa or Google Assistant, but Siri actually outperforms both in some areas like smart home execution and commands, but it doesn’t even have the same Siri as on the iPhone so yes definitely lacking in software due to it being less than a year old. The hardware is anything but trash though, that was my point. Amazon and Google can’t compete there.

I don't want to sound like a snob (really, I don't) so please don't hate me. But if you take out Siri and the microphones, the HomePod's sound quality is not worth paying even 200 dollars for it (BTW, I have tried it at a friend's apartment and at an Apple supplier store; it does sound better in reduced acoustic spaces.) But, it's not a high end speaker. You encounter comments stating what I said too because I assume those persons have tried other speaker systems. For 400 dollars you can buy a pair of ADAM Audio's T5Vs studio monitors that will actually change the way you perceive music (and take into account those are budget speakers within that manufacturer's offerings.) Heck, I might even go out by saying that Presonus' Eris E4.5 monitor speakers (a pair for 200 bucks) sound noticeably better than the HomePod. But that's only if you are talking about audio quality, and yes, I know the HomePod offers great advantages for Apple services integration cases as well as being a competent (not high-end,) no-complications "music as background" speaker. Still, I wouldn't pay $350 dollars for it. Not worth it for the sound.
 
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I don't want to sound like a snob (really, I don't) so please don't hate me. But if you take out Siri and the microphones, the HomePod's sound quality is not worth paying even 200 dollars for it (BTW, I have tried it at a friend's apartment and at an Apple supplier store; it does sound better in reduced acoustic spaces.) But, it's not a high end speaker. You encounter comments stating what I said too because I assume those persons have tried other speaker systems. For 400 dollars you can buy a pair of ADAM Audio's T5Vs studio monitors that will actually change the way you perceive music (and take into account those are budget speakers within that manufacturer's offerings.) Heck, I might even go out by saying that Presonus' Eris E4.5 monitor speakers (a pair for 200 bucks) sound noticeably better than the HomePod. But that's only if you are talking about audio quality, and yes, I know the HomePod offers great advantages for Apple services integration cases as well as being a competent (not high-end,) no-complications "music as background" speaker.

That’s fair. There will obviously always be better speakers available, but the HomePod sounds great for it’s size, is high end compared to other smart speakers, and does what it was made to do very well. For me, I wanted two great sounding speakers for my Apple Music account and a hub for my smart home set up and commands. I couldn’t be happier. I’m not saying it’s for everyone or revolutionary in any way, but the OP I responded to called it trash, which obviously it’s not.
 
I want to see how huge these files are considered it requires 48 Megapixels. So one shot takes up 4 times as much space on my phone.
Not as much as you'd think.

Using DSLR as an example here, megapixels aren't inherently relative to file size. A 28 MP full frame can produce a photo that's both 5 MB and one that's nearly 15 MB in size due to the data within.

Anyway, I don't believe it's true 48 MP.
 
That’s fair. There will obviously always be better speakers available, but the HomePod sounds great for it’s size, is high end compared to other smart speakers, and does what it was made to do very well. For me, I wanted two great sounding speakers for my Apple Music account and a hub for my smart home set up and commands. I couldn’t be happier. I’m not saying it’s for everyone or revolutionary in any way, but the OP I responded to called it trash, which obviously it’s not.

Yes, I get your point. I mostly replied because in my opinion, speaker systems starting from $300 bucks and up are already (and should be) within very acceptable quality studio monitoring territory. And sometimes monitoring speakers circling around the 600 dollars are definitely better than "snob" brand high-end regular speakers that cost upwards the 1,500 dollars mark.
 
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I don't want to sound like a snob (really, I don't) so please don't hate me. But if you take out Siri and the microphones, the HomePod's sound quality is not worth paying even 200 dollars for it (BTW, I have tried it at a friend's apartment and at an Apple supplier store; it does sound better in reduced acoustic spaces.) But, it's not a high end speaker. You encounter comments stating what I said too because I assume those persons have tried other speaker systems. For 400 dollars you can buy a pair of ADAM Audio's T5Vs studio monitors that will actually change the way you perceive music (and take into account those are budget speakers within that manufacturer's offerings.) Heck, I might even go out by saying that Presonus' Eris E4.5 monitor speakers (a pair for 200 bucks) sound noticeably better than the HomePod. But that's only if you are talking about audio quality, and yes, I know the HomePod offers great advantages for Apple services integration cases as well as being a competent (not high-end,) no-complications "music as background" speaker. Still, I wouldn't pay $350 dollars for it. Not worth it for the sound.

"But that's only if you are talking about audio quality, and yes, I know the HomePod offers great advantages for Apple services integration cases as well as being a competent (not high-end,) no-complications "music as background" speaker."


And that's the main point of HomerPod.

I also have studio monitors (Yamaha) and of course they offer better sound. But they're pretty much hard-wired into my desktop computer and not easily moveable to another room. Also, I'd need to keep my desktop computer powered on 24/7 waiting for a verbal Siri command from across the room, without the benefit of HomePod's dynamic beam formed microphone array that can isolate verbal commands spoken at a normal speaking level from loud interfering sources, including the music being currently played.

What makes HomePod great is that it is self-contained, powered on 24/7, waiting for commands to play whatever music I want to play. It's also very portable. And Siri's HomePod UI to play music works very well. All without needing a powered-on computer.

Also..I can easily move HomePod to another room, where it will automatically assess the acoustics/reflections, and automatically equalize the room. And I don't need a computer powered up to drive it, or an old AirPort Express to wirelessly drive better speakers that are not very mobile.

That's the beauty of HomePod. It just works, is compact, is easy to use, sounds pretty good for its physical size, and, is well-priced considering the above benefits, level of innovation, and performance.
 
I like their vertical layout for the three cameras, a much more symmetrical and elegant solution than putting them all in one corner.
 
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