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"Concept doesn't matter". Right. Methinks you have no idea what the definition of 'insurance' is, let alone the word 'concept'.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to youthful ignorance, because if you're an adult, well, that's just scary.

You cannot define insurance from your own perspective - let the company offering define it.

It has been pointed out that Apple Care+ does not cover pre-existing conditions.

I WAS WRONG - happy yet?
 
You cannot define insurance from your own perspective - let the company offering define it.

It has been pointed out that Apple Care+ does not cover pre-existing conditions.

I WAS WRONG - happy yet?

"Define insurance from your own perspective"? Exactly what perspective was that?

What I described is HOW INSURANCE WORKS. It doesn't matter if it's from Apple or Allstate.
 
OP, while you probably can get away with defrauding Apple, don't, because these are the sorts of things that can make you feel hollow inside and gnaw away at your conscience.

Take it into Apple, advise them what happened, sometimes they sympathise and will replace it for free, bu be prepared to fork over $300, ask them if you pay to replace it, if you can then buy an Applecare plan to prevent these sorts of charges again.
 
Yeah - Apple Care+ does not cover pre-existing conditions - How am I immoral?

Because you have no concept of what insurance is... Insurance is a good faith agreement between two people.

Insurance is before the fact. Doing anything to try to alter the agreement after the fact is lying.

LYING==IMMORAL

That is why they offer you insurance at the time of sale. And also why they have to add clauses to the agreement because people like you want to try to game the system.

I want to buy this item but not buy insurance. Now that I have broken something that insurance has covered I will try to get insurance to cover it.

If you were honest on the phone you would say that the iPad is broken... they would deny coverage and we could go on our way.
 
You did not explain how I was immoral. How was I immoral?

Because you were advocating fraud. But, like I said, if you truly do not understand how insurance is supposed to work, then no - you weren't advocating fraud, you were simply being ignorant.
 
So I dropped my brand new, 9 day old, 3rd generation iPad... rather, my fiancé dropped my brand new, 9 day old, 3rd generation iPad on the tile. The bezel is dented badly enough to need to be replaced and the glass is shattered.

I didn't get the applecare+ because I hold on to that thing like its my child...

My current plan is to show up at the Apple store I live 45 minutes away from and just start ( or rather, resume ) crying and hope they feel pity. Would they sell me the applecare at that point, it being in the 30 day window and all, or is that insurance fraud?

What are my options for repair?

Take it to an Apple Store.
Don't make up any stories. Be humble, ask for their help.

And just like medicine you can get a second opinion.
if you don't like what you hear, don't make a scene, try another store.

They strive for customer satisfaction. I have seen products replaced before with obvious accidental damage.

I wish you all the best
 
I'd love to look through all these "holier then thou" folks hard drives and see how much illegally obtained music they have (despite what they say). :rolleyes:

So in other words, you are saying that when someone makes a suggestion that is borderline illegal and/or immoral, nobody should say anything?
 
Because you have no concept of what insurance is... Insurance is a good faith agreement between two people.

Insurance is before the fact. Doing anything to try to alter the agreement after the fact is lying.

LYING==IMMORAL

That is why they offer you insurance at the time of sale. And also why they have to add clauses to the agreement because people like you want to try to game the system.

I want to buy this item but not buy insurance. Now that I have broken something that insurance has covered I will try to get insurance to cover it.

If you were honest on the phone you would say that the iPad is broken... they would deny coverage and we could go on our way.

I really do agree with you - my original argument (which has since been proved incorrect) was that Apple allowed you to purchase Apple Care+ within 30 days of purchase without an inspection (that is what is says on there website). There user agreement clearly says that Apple Care+ does not cover preconditions.
 
I'd love to look through all these "holier then thou" folks hard drives and see how much illegally obtained music they have (despite what they say). :rolleyes:

It's a simple concept of right and wrong. Like tethering without paying for it. Like jailbreaking and loading paid apps for free. Some folks here just fail to grasp the simple concept of right vs. wrong.

I hold out the hope they'll see the error of their ways and repent. So say we all...
 
Take it to an Apple Store.
Don't make up any stories. Be humble, ask for their help.

And just like medicine you can get a second opinion.
if you don't like what you hear, don't make a scene, try another store.

They strive for customer satisfaction. I have seen products replaced before with obvious accidental damage.

I wish you all the best

This is a good method. Be honest, explain the situation, and leave it up to Apple and their employees to determine your fate.
 
So in other words, you are saying that when someone makes a suggestion that is borderline illegal and/or immoral, nobody should say anything?
No, I am not saying that at all. Please quote where I did.

What I am saying is that probably 95% of the people waving the immoral, illegal and fraud flags probably cheat on their taxes, download illegal music and movies. and are no better than the OP and are just hiding behind the anonymity of an internet forum. Hypocrites is the word that comes to mind.

:cool:

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It's a simple concept of right and wrong. Like tethering without paying for it. Like jailbreaking and loading paid apps for free. Some folks here just fail to grasp the simple concept of right vs. wrong.

I hold out the hope they'll see the error of their ways and repent. So say we all...
Hallelujah Brother Hallelujah!
 
No, I am not saying that at all. Please quote where I did.

What I am saying is that probably 95% of the people waving the immoral, illegal and fraud flags probably cheat on their taxes, download illegal music and movies. and are no better than the OP and are just hiding behind the anonymity of an internet forum.

:cool:

Even if that were true (and no, I don't cheat on my taxes or download music/video illegally), why does that matter? People are rightly pointing out that buying AC+ after the fact is fraud, and it is.

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I really do agree with you - my original argument (which has since been proved incorrect) was that Apple allowed you to purchase Apple Care+ within 30 days of purchase without an inspection (that is what is says on there website). There user agreement clearly says that Apple Care+ does not cover preconditions.

OK, so you truly did not know. That means you weren't immoral, just ignorant.
 
There is no need for any namecalling or insults.

thank you!

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Even if that were true (and no, I don't cheat on my taxes or download music/video illegally), why does that matter? People are rightly pointing out that buying AC+ after the fact is fraud, and it is.

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OK, so you truly did not know. That means you weren't immoral, just ignorant.

Nope not ignorant - according to the main page of Apple Care+ it say nothing about pre-existing conditions - only mentions you must purchase within 30 days.

Another forum member (not you!) posted AppleCare+ agreement showing me that pre-existing conditions are not covered. While you still are talking about Allstate and what insurance means to them.

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Before my post count gets too high - I shall retire for the night.

Thanks to the member who posted AppleCare+ user agreement in regards to preexisting conditions.
 
Nope not ignorant - according to the main page of Apple Care+ it say nothing about pre-existing conditions - only mentions you must purchase within 30 days.

Another forum member (not you!) posted AppleCare+ agreement showing me that pre-existing conditions are not covered. While you still are talking about Allstate and what insurance means to them.

What are you on about? I used Allstate as an example, but it doesn't MATTER what the company is. If you had any concept of what insurance is and what it's for, you would have understood by now, and certainly wouldn't have made the suggestion you made with your first post in this thread. If that isn't ignorance, then what is? Go look up the word in the dictionary and see for yourself.
 
How is it lying? Apple says you can call them and receive Apple Care+ - How is this lying?

Really? You need to be told how it is lying? Apple Care + if you tell them when you call that you've already dropped the device, do you think they will then sell it to you?

The 30 days is just a small window of opportunity. The OP admitted he had no intent to buy it, but now that his significant other dropped it and its broke, suddenly he wants to buy Apple Care + or at least he is being told it would be okay to do this. Well if you want to call and be dishonest then be my guest, but it goes to character.
 
If the iPad is already broken, then yes it IS fraud. Try taking the broken iPad to the Apple Store and asking if they'll sell you an AppleCare+ policy. When they say no, try and figure out why.

If she pays for it over the phone she can get the AppleCare since it's within thirty days of her purchase. Then, on her 29th day she can say she dropped it (when reality, she dropped it on the 9th day) and they could fix it for her. "Technically" it's not fraud.
 
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