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Ordered 1 Macbook Air, received 2

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Yes you do deserve to say you think I am wrong. I'm not saying I am right, or you are wrong. He was.
How is insulting me by calling me a member of 'low society' got anything to do with whether or not we think a MBA should be returned or not?
 
Not sure how this carries over into retail and e-tail business aspects.

But in the banking industry, payroll, and other financial institutions, it is Illegal for you to accept money or product in error and not report the error to the issuant.

for example. If you went to your bank account and found an extra $200 deposit that you know isn't yours, you have the legal responsibility to report it back to the financial institution, and it is at their descretion whether or not you get to keep it or not.

Should you fail to report, they can withdraw the amount from your account, and should it be unrecoverable, you can be sued and charged for theft.

This goes for payroll deposits and any financial transactions in north america.

Does this same legal precedence apply to receiving 2 items isntead of 1 on order? I'm not sure, but knowing how stringent and corporate friendly laws tend to be, I am willing to bet the same.

A lot of people get small items accidentally and chances are for Amazon, it's not worth going after them to return a $20 t-shirt. But in the realm of a $1,400 laptop, you may find yourself receiving notice to return it sooner than later if they catch their mistake. I think the best thing you can do is call them directly and let them inform you of what they want to do. If they say 'keep it', consider yourself lucky. But until you call them, you are in affect being morally suspect
 
ThomasBoss said:
After reading some of the posts, just because I would choose not to return the MBA unless asked does not make me a bad person. We have different opinions, that is fine, I never said yours was wrong.
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Yes, it does. It not only makes you a bad person, it also makes you a person that admits they would commit fraud. The last time I checked fraud is a crime where I live. Maybe you live in Neverland.

What is wrong though is judging people (GGJstudios). We disagree on a controversial topic, so that gives you a right to say I am of low society? No. It does not.

I have shown you all respect, I expect the same.
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I am sorry, but are you serious? You are expecting respect when you admit you would happily commit fraud. Respect is earned, not given and you have done nothing to earn respect. It gives me full right to judge you based on your response.

Your "Don't judge me!" response is banal.
 
Call the company and let them know of the mistake they've made. This happened to me last month, and the company told me to keep the second item [it was their $450 mistake for sending me two].
 
ThomasBoss said:
Yes you do deserve to say you think I am wrong. I'm not saying I am right, or you are wrong. He was.
How is insulting me by calling me a member of 'low society' got anything to do with whether or not we think a MBA should be returned or not?
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You're definitely a member of low society. That is pretty clear and your excuses don't change my judgement of you - they only make it worse.
 
theSeb said:
Yes, it does. It not only makes you a bad person, it also makes you a person that admits they would commit fraud. The last time I checked fraud is a crime where I live. Maybe you live in Neverland.


I am sorry, but are you serious? You are expecting respect when you admit you would happily commit fraud. Respect is earned, not given and you have done nothing to earn respect. It gives me full right to judge you based on your response.

Your "Don't judge me!" response is banal.
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It's none of your business whether I 'commit fraud' or not.
I'm shocked I'm called a member of low-society, when I can show basic respect to people (even those who disagree with me) it is clear you can not.
 
I will judge you, you opened this thread to feel better about yourself about taking something that isn't yours. You have made an immoral decision, and you have chosen to steal a computer. Personally I would have emailed Amazon of the mistake.

I wouldn't expect a moral person to spend their extra time, money or gas to return an item, but at least let the retailer know and send a UPS driver to your house to pick it up.


ThomasBoss said:
After reading some of the posts, just because I would choose not to return the MBA unless asked does not make me a bad person. We have different opinions, that is fine, I never said yours was wrong.

What is wrong though is judging people (GGJstudios). We disagree on a controversial topic, so that gives you a right to say I am of low society? No. It does not.

I have shown you all respect, I expect the same.
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ThomasBoss said:
It's none of your business whether I 'commit fraud' or not.
I'm shocked I'm called a member of low-society, when I can show basic respect to people (even those who disagree with me) it is clear you can not.
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Your moral high ground is laughable since you have nothing to stand on, but thin air. This is a really simple thing. You're advocating fraud. It is definitely my business if you commit fraud. Fraud costs us all. If you commit insurance fraud, all of our insurance premiums go up. The fact that you admit you would keep it shows what kind of a person you are.

Stealing is when you take something. He was given the second MBA.
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The problem here is grounded in your way of thinking and you don't even realise it. You have odd definitions of laws and ethics that are different from the norm and that makes you all sorts of things that I won't mention to try and keep this as civil as I can, no matter how much some of the suggestions in this thread disgust and disappoint me.
 
And yes.
Committing an act that violates social norm and the Social contract does give others some leaway to judge you.

if you dont want to be judged, uphold yourself to the ideals that you would expect those around you to uphold to.



if you accidentally shipped a client 2 of an item instead of one, how would you wish to be treated?
 
calvol said:
Inventory systems are so good now they will track it down and send you a bill for the 2nd one. Happened to me once when I got an extra keyboard, which I kept because it was a $30 item, not thinking they would care about it. Received a bill couple months later.
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That was illegal for them to do that if you live in the US.
 
If the retailer reported the MBA's serial number as stolen and the person you sell it to registers it, there's a possibility it'll get traced to them , and you could get done for selling stolen property. Just call them and see what they have to say, it's not yours.
 
Why is it impossible to have a debate without people getting rude & disrespectful?
We disagree, you can show your points why you think it is wrong & I will explain why I think it is not wrong.
But no.
Over here, in a forum filled with Apple fan boys, we cannot have an interesting debate/discussion without people getting rude & disrespectful and have a huge attitude (not just in this thread I have noticed, but many of the regulars in general)

Have good lives everyone, I will be off to forums where just because you disagree does not automatically make you wrong.


Don't bother showing me the door - I know where it is.
 
ScoobyMcDoo said:
That was illegal for them to do that if you live in the US.
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Going to have to do the good old fasioned "Citation needed" on this one.

I'm not versed up completely on US criminal law, but my dealings with Contract law would state otherwise.

he originally had contract for 1 macbook air, for X amount of dollars. he received that 1 and he paid X dollars. Contract was fullfilled.

He accidentally received a 2nd MBA with no contract. Accepting that MBA at the door and not returning it would be agreeance to a 2nd contract at the same going rate as the original contract and he could very well be expected to pay.
 
LOL, are you going to cry?

Every time someone steals something, it keeps the prices high for those who pay for items. Some day, maybe when you get a job and start living on your own you'll wake up to the real world around you.

ThomasBoss said:
Why is it impossible to have a debate without people getting rude & disrespectful?
We disagree, you can show your points why you think it is wrong & I will explain why I think it is not wrong.
But no.
Over here, in a forum filled with Apple fan boys, we cannot have an interesting debate/discussion without people getting rude & disrespectful and have a huge attitude (not just in this thread I have noticed, but many of the regulars in general)

Have good lives everyone, I will be off to forums where just because you disagree does not automatically make you wrong.


Don't bother showing me the door - I know where it is.
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ThomasBoss said:
Why is it impossible to have a debate without people getting rude & disrespectful?
We disagree, you can show your points why you think it is wrong & I will explain why I think it is not wrong.
But no.
Over here, in a forum filled with Apple fan boys, we cannot have an interesting debate/discussion without people getting rude & disrespectful and have a huge attitude (not just in this thread I have noticed, but many of the regulars in general)

Have good lives everyone, I will be off to forums where just because you disagree does not automatically make you wrong.


Don't bother showing me the door - I know where it is.
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Do you live in some world of magical fairies, unicorns and make-believe? I have had plenty of interesting discussions and debates without people getting rude and disrespectful. I am not sure what you're expecting? A pat on the back? You're the one who is being disrespectful by advocating and encouraging someone to COMMIT A CRIME. Why can't you understand this?

This is basically what you're saying:
"Everyone is wrong but me. I am happy to commit a crime but you must RESPECT ME. Now I am going to blame everybody else and do a goodbye cruel world post."
 
ThomasBoss said:
Very mature. Very mature.
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:cool: No I was 100% serious. Out of curiosity, how old are you?

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I wouldn't expect him to understand. I am guessing he's about 16 years old.

theSeb said:
Do you live in some world of magical fairies, unicorns and make-believe? I have had plenty of interesting discussions and debates without people getting rude and disrespectful. I am not sure what you're expecting? A pat on the back? You're the one who is being disrespectful by advocating and encouraging someone to COMMIT A CRIME. Why can't you understand this?

This is basically what you're saying:
"Everyone is wrong but me. I am happy to commit a crime but you must RESPECT ME. Now I am going to blame everybody else and do a goodbye cruel world post."
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ThomasBoss said:
Very mature. Very mature.
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Yes, you do sound like you're 12 years old. I assume this is how kids deal with disagreements these days?

Johnny: Hey mate, I went to the store yesterday and the shopkeeper gave me $10 too much in change. What a silly, old codger! *laughs*

Billy: Ummm... you should return that money. It's stealing.

Johnny: WHAT? NO, IT's NOT STEALING. HE GAVE ME THAT MONEY. YOU'RE DISRESPECTING ME AND MY MOMMA!

Billy: *confused*
 
theSeb said:
Yes, you do sound like you're 12 years old. I assume this is how kids deal with disagreements these days?

Johnny: Hey mate, I went to the store yesterday and the shopkeeper gave me $10 too much in change. What a silly, old codger! *laughs*

Billy: Ummm... you should return that money. It's stealing.

Johnny: WHAT? NO, IT's NOT STEALING. HE GAVE ME THAT MONEY. YOU'RE DISRESPECTING ME AND MY MOMMA!

Billy: *confused*
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usually followed by
"I'm not playing with you anymore, I'm taking my ball and going home!"
 
theSeb said:
This is basically what you're saying:
"Everyone is wrong but me. I am happy to commit a crime but you must RESPECT ME. Now I am going to blame everybody else and do a goodbye cruel world post."
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Okay, this will be my last post.
I am not asking for you to respect me. I am asking for you to show me some basic manners and respect when having a debate. I have shown all of you respect & manners, why is it such a big thing to ask for in return?

Johnny: Hey mate, I went to the store yesterday and the shopkeeper gave me $10 too much in change. What a silly, old codger! *laughs*

Billy: Ummm... you should return that money. It's stealing.

Johnny: WHAT? NO, IT's NOT STEALING. HE GAVE ME THAT MONEY. YOU'RE DISRESPECTING ME AND MY MOMMA!

Billy: *confused*
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That is 100% wrong.
He asked what we would do, I replied with what I would do. I never said he should do it.
Then, you guys disagree with me, and while doing so insult those who don't think the same as you by calling me a 'low life member of society'.
That little scenario should be the complete other way round. When did I insult/yell at you?
 
The words "trolling about" come to mind somewhere in here.
 
ThomasBoss said:
Okay, this will be my last post.
I am not asking for you to respect me. I am asking for you to show me some basic manners and respect when having a debate. I have shown all of you respect & manners, why is it such a big thing to ask for in return?
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I have shown you as much respect & manners as I can. Some of the world's worst serial killers had impeccable manners. You have not shown us manners nor respect by endorsing and encouraging an unlawful act. That is disrespectful and the lowest form of manners I can imagine.

Good luck to you, my dear sir, and good bye.
 
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