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Ordered rMBP 13 Already Regretting :(

KPOM said:
A mobile GPU is about $50-100. I wouldn't call that "very expensive." In your case, you propose adding a GPU that is used only when it is plugged in. That seems kind of pointless for a notebook that is likely to be used unplugged quite a lot. The rMBP isn't designed to be a desktop replacement or gamer PC.

Would it have been nice if Apple included a discrete GPU and been able to keep the size and battery life the same? Sure. But they didn't, and my guess is that they couldn't keep the size and battery life the same if they had tried.
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No laptop can use a dGPU for more than a couple of hours of heavy use on normal batteries that come in a MBP

This just shows me that you have never used or owned a laptop with a dGPU. This is why you are arguing your point.

You also have no idea how much nvidia charges for a 650M GT and DDR5 prices.
 
pandamonia said:
No laptop can use a dGPU for more than a couple of hours of heavy use on normal batteries that come in a MBP

This just shows me that you have never used or owned a laptop with a dGPU. This is why you are arguing your point.
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And so what's your point? Perhaps Apple is targeting the rMBP at people like me rather than people like you. I'd say that's likely.


pandamonia said:
You also have no idea how much nvidia charges for a 650M GT and DDR5 prices.
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So how much is it. We know how much Apple charges for the 15" rMBP that has it. Are you saying Apple should just eat the cost for the 13" since that's the model you'd like to buy?

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dissdnt said:
If ports are all the difference we are looking at, besides the res, is there really a point?
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Besides the fact that it is 5 times as fast to fly as to drive, is there really a point to flying?
 
KPOM said:
And so what's your point? Perhaps Apple is targeting the rMBP at people like me rather than people like you. I'd say that's likely.




So how much is it. We know how much Apple charges for the 15" rMBP that has it. Are you saying Apple should just eat the cost for the 13" since that's the model you'd like to buy?

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Besides the fact that it is 5 times as fast to fly as to drive, is there really a point to flying?
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This is a classic example of a time when someone who doesnt know what they are talking about trys really hard to win an argument.

dGPU always owns no dGPU

Especially when there is dynamic switching incorporated.

Apple is charging WAY to much for this 13" MBP and it should have a dGPU.

But yet again Apple knows best....
 
pandamonia said:
Apple is charging WAY to much for this 13" MBP and it should have a dGPU
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You should start your own company and offer the same thing Apple does but at half price! Or you could offer even better stuff than Apple is offering for again, half the price! Let us know once you're up and running...
 
Maczor said:
You should start your own company and offer the same thing Apple does but at half price! Or you could offer even better stuff than Apple is offering for again, half the price! Let us know once you're up and running...
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i just wont buy it. And neither will many others it seems.

Apple is to liberal with its "Pro" moniker its hardly a pro device with integrated graphics.
 
dissdnt said:
If ports are all the difference we are looking at, besides the res, is there really a point?
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The Air can't do this.

I personally love my 15" rMBP and to be quite frank, paying an extra $500 for the screen, 8GB RAM and a non-ULV CPU is worth it. I think the 15" is a better deal than the 13" but that does not make the 13" a bad buy.
 
pandamonia said:
This is a classic example of a time when someone who doesnt know what they are talking about trys really hard to win an argument.

dGPU always owns no dGPU

Especially when there is dynamic switching incorporated.

Apple is charging WAY to much for this 13" MBP and it should have a dGPU.

But yet again Apple knows best....
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But a dGPU comes with compromises of its own. It takes space, and yes, even with dynamic switching it uses more battery since the switching won't always be optimal. Whether Apple is charging too much remains to be seen. I think it's maybe $100-200 above where I'd have considered it.
 
I am personally waiting for the Rev. B haswell rMBP 15 to replace my late 2008 macbook unibody

I am skipping the 13rMBP because I am not going from discrete graphics to integrated, skipping the 15rMBP because I know haswell will bring 16gb and 32gb of ram, Im not paying extra for 16 when I know it will come as the base option next year. Also I prefer to get the 15rMBP when they phase out samsung as their supplier.
 
Maczor said:
You should start your own company and offer the same thing Apple does but at half price! Or you could offer even better stuff than Apple is offering for again, half the price! Let us know once you're up and running...
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LOL. You do know that Dell offers a 13" Professional grade laptop with a dedicated GPU and next-day onsite warranty for less than the cost of a Macbook Air. You give up a little thickness, and gain an extra $900 in your wallet.

(That's less than half of the price)
 
thejadedmonkey said:
LOL. You do know that Dell offers a 13" Professional grade laptop with a dedicated GPU and next-day onsite warranty for less than the cost of a Macbook Air. You give up a little thickness, and gain an extra $900 in your wallet.

(That's less than half of the price)
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is it plastic?

does it run windows?

does it have the Mac trackpad?
 
Received my rMBP 13" today. Was waiting 4.5 hours to migrate over the Thundebolt just to find out that even the Keynote works slower than on my current MBP 13" (early 2011) with i7 2.7GHz. I was shocked. It is the simplest application that should run smoothly. While switching between slides you can see that rMBP do it slower (noticeably). Scrolling in Safari is a joke. I am not eager to go for slideshows. Already requested a return and will have to wait another have a month before getting either rMBP 15" or Air...

Is there the same story with rMBP 15" and I should go and get Air?
 
thejadedmonkey said:
LOL. You do know that Dell offers a 13" Professional grade laptop with a dedicated GPU and next-day onsite warranty for less than the cost of a Macbook Air. You give up a little thickness, and gain an extra $900 in your wallet.

(That's less than half of the price)
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Great to hear that. That means you're ordering one now ( or you have already ordered one / a few )...
Since it's so great, there's clearly no point in getting a lot more expensive and less performant Mac.
A truly life changing information... Thank you! :rolleyes:

... I'm now canceling my maxed out 13" rMBP order and buying 4 of those Dells instead!
I'm gonna mount one in each bathroom and bedroom, so that I'm always near a notebook!
I'm also saving ~400 USD in the process! Wonderful! More hamburger money for me! :rolleyes:
 
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Maczor said:
Great to hear that. That means you're ordering one now ( or you have already ordered one / a few )...
Since it's so great, there's clearly no point in getting a lot more expensive and less performant Mac.
A truly life changing information... Thank you! :rolleyes:

... I'm now canceling my maxed out 13" rMBP order and buying 4 of those Dells instead!
I'm gonna mount one in each bathroom and bedroom, so that I'm always near a notebook!
I'm also saving ~400 USD in the process! Wonderful! More hamburger money for me! :rolleyes:
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that made me lol

does dell still us that "your getting a dell dude" for their ads?
 
dragonev said:
Received my rMBP 13" today. Was waiting 4.5 hours to migrate over the Thundebolt just to find out that even the Keynote works slower than on my current MBP 13" (early 2011) with i7 2.7GHz. I was shocked. It is the simplest application that should run smoothly. While switching between slides you can see that rMBP do it slower (noticeably). Scrolling in Safari is a joke. I am not eager to go for slideshows. Already requested a return and will have to wait another have a month before getting either rMBP 15" or Air...

Is there the same story with rMBP 15" and I should go and get Air?
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The discrete GPU in the 15 makes it much smoother as when I force the HD4000 to stay on via gfxcardstatus (keynote normally will force the switch to Nvidia GPU), it's definitely not as smooth on some 3d animations in Keynote.
 
dragonev said:
Received my rMBP 13" today. Was waiting 4.5 hours to migrate over the Thundebolt just to find out that even the Keynote works slower than on my current MBP 13" (early 2011) with i7 2.7GHz. I was shocked. It is the simplest application that should run smoothly. While switching between slides you can see that rMBP do it slower (noticeably). Scrolling in Safari is a joke. I am not eager to go for slideshows. Already requested a return and will have to wait another have a month before getting either rMBP 15" or Air...

Is there the same story with rMBP 15" and I should go and get Air?
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What a bummer! This might be the result of missing a gpu...

Glad I ordered an Air instead :) Although it seems nice, but paying premium for lag? No thanks..
 
KPOM said:
But a dGPU comes with compromises of its own. It takes space, and yes, even with dynamic switching it uses more battery since the switching won't always be optimal. Whether Apple is charging too much remains to be seen. I think it's maybe $100-200 above where I'd have considered it.
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It doesnt come with any compromises. Have you seen how many batteries there are in there? You need to look how the 15" is laid out and you can see its easy to fit a small GPU in there.

Also you can control the switching manually.

There is no downside. This is the problem.
 
dragonev said:
Received my rMBP 13" today. Was waiting 4.5 hours to migrate over the Thundebolt just to find out that even the Keynote works slower than on my current MBP 13" (early 2011) with i7 2.7GHz. I was shocked. It is the simplest application that should run smoothly. While switching between slides you can see that rMBP do it slower (noticeably). Scrolling in Safari is a joke. I am not eager to go for slideshows. Already requested a return and will have to wait another have a month before getting either rMBP 15" or Air...

Is there the same story with rMBP 15" and I should go and get Air?
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If this is true, they'll be seeing lots of returns. These are tests you personally ran in a nice controlled fashion? I ordered the rmbp 13" assuming Apple validated it is equipped to push the retina display (except in games, obviously). If it can't handle it (fyi. early pro reports say it in fact does handle it), then I won't be keeping it either.
 
scarred said:
If this is true, they'll be seeing lots of returns. These are tests you personally ran in a nice controlled fashion? I ordered the rmbp 13" assuming Apple validated it is equipped to push the retina display (except in games, obviously). If it can't handle it (fyi. early pro reports say it in fact does handle it), then I won't be keeping it either.
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Those are simple tests when you put your laptops side by side, open similar pages or apps and tap the mouse simultaneously on both devices.

I would not argue with The Verge review, it is just my own experience. I cannot justify spending £1.5k for the worse performance. If it will be at least similar, I would have been fine.
 
This isn't very scientific or detailed, but I noticed screen lag when scrolling on macdailynews in both the retina 13 inch MacBook Pro AND the sole 2012 classic MacBook Pro antiglare sitting along the wall. Though it didn't seem to be as pronounced on the classic as it did on the retina.
 
clyde2801 said:
This isn't very scientific or detailed, but I noticed screen lag when scrolling on macdailynews in both the retina 13 inch MacBook Pro AND the sole 2012 classic MacBook Pro antiglare sitting along the wall. Though it didn't seem to be as pronounced on the classic as it did on the retina.
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I am not a scientist)) I am a regular user and that is why I compare on things I use most often.
 
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